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So were trying to figure out again the degree of something? Ok, How much is nothingness? . . . The fact that there are going to be pages of off subject, out of context posts baffles me. The only reason People comment in length of this kind of thing actually philosiphising is absurd. . . Debating how literal, and not.. is just such a waste of time. It is what it is. Well, im sure this subject will give alot of people an opportuinty to appear intelligent with internet quotes, lestsss goooo.. And yet you felt compelled to add your $.02. Who is more the fool, the one who debates so called meaningless things or the one who tells everyone they are fools for debating it? Im all about the education my friend. If I can help someone, or save YOU some time.. so be it.. no need to thank me. |
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 knock yourself out.
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So were trying to figure out again the degree of something? Ok, How much is nothingness? . . . The fact that there are going to be pages of off subject, out of context posts baffles me. The only reason People comment in length of this kind of thing actually philosiphising is absurd. . . Debating how literal, and not.. is just such a waste of time. It is what it is. Well, im sure this subject will give alot of people an opportuinty to appear intelligent with internet quotes, lestsss goooo.. And yet you felt compelled to add your $.02. Who is more the fool, the one who debates so called meaningless things or the one who tells everyone they are fools for debating it? Im all about the education my friend. If I can help someone, or save YOU some time.. so be it.. no need to thank me. Your offering to educate me for free, wow, and to think I paid over 40k for my education.  
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Edited by
earthytaurus76
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Sun 07/05/09 12:08 PM
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So were trying to figure out again the degree of something? Ok, How much is nothingness? . . . The fact that there are going to be pages of off subject, out of context posts baffles me. The only reason People comment in length of this kind of thing actually philosiphising is absurd. . . Debating how literal, and not.. is just such a waste of time. It is what it is. Well, im sure this subject will give alot of people an opportuinty to appear intelligent with internet quotes, lestsss goooo.. And yet you felt compelled to add your $.02. Who is more the fool, the one who debates so called meaningless things or the one who tells everyone they are fools for debating it? Im all about the education my friend. If I can help someone, or save YOU some time.. so be it.. no need to thank me. Your offering to educate me for free, wow, and to think I paid over 40k for my education. Not going to say waste,,.. not going to say wasteee.... errrrr... jk |
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So were trying to figure out again the degree of something? Ok, How much is nothingness? . . . The fact that there are going to be pages of off subject, out of context posts baffles me. The only reason People comment in length of this kind of thing actually philosiphising is absurd. . . Debating how literal, and not.. is just such a waste of time. It is what it is. Well, im sure this subject will give alot of people an opportuinty to appear intelligent with internet quotes, lestsss goooo.. And yet you felt compelled to add your $.02. Who is more the fool, the one who debates so called meaningless things or the one who tells everyone they are fools for debating it? Im all about the education my friend. If I can help someone, or save YOU some time.. so be it.. no need to thank me. Your offering to educate me for free, wow, and to think I paid over 40k for my education. Not going to say waste,,.. not going to say wasteee.... errrrr... jk You would be at least half correct. 
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*summoning powers that be for a meeting*
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*summoning powers that be for a meeting* Oooh "the powers that be" is that like the super friends? Will you introduce me to Batman? |
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for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Multi-universal places might exist. As we live in a universe that contains something... It might be reasonable to postulate the existance of a universe which contains nothing and can not contain something else it would not exist... Let me stop you right there, because this is the spot where your logic falls apart. Said nothing universe (if it's existence were even possible) would in itself be something. If it exists it must be something. A universe which contains nothing will not physically exist. Everything that exists must be made up of something. Even if it is nothing, that is something. Therefor nothingness does not exist outside of concept. in a contra-terrene universe the physical laws of this universe would not apply. (or so it has been postulated). Said nothing universe would by its very nature be difficult if not impossible to 'see' or 'understand' by a non-nothing entity residing in a something universe (such as ourselves) AS nothingness can not exist in our universe... Balance would suggest that somethingness could not exist in that universe. How then would you measure? How then can you state with certinity that anything is NOT possible in an INFINATE universe? (if all things are possible then all things are) |
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*summoning powers that be for a meeting* Oooh "the powers that be" is that like the super friends? Will you introduce me to Batman? Batman rules your off base! |
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*summoning powers that be for a meeting* Oooh "the powers that be" is that like the super friends? Will you introduce me to Batman? Batman rules your off base! 
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*summoning powers that be for a meeting* Oooh "the powers that be" is that like the super friends? Will you introduce me to Batman? Batman rules your off base! That's not an unusual situation for me.
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Infinity and nothing are concepts the human mind makes a mess of. Its an onion, where we are not sure if we are on the last layer or just have run out of strength to pull back any more for a time. Does infinity, or nothing exist within nature as anything other than a concept? Hmm, Id say not. I could be wrong, dam 3D material perspectives ruining our desires for absolutes! I would say that 'nothing' does NOT exist. Infinity does. So WHAT IS infinity? THAT IS THE QUESTION. |
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Infinity and nothing are concepts the human mind makes a mess of. Its an onion, where we are not sure if we are on the last layer or just have run out of strength to pull back any more for a time. Does infinity, or nothing exist within nature as anything other than a concept? Hmm, Id say not. I could be wrong, dam 3D material perspectives ruining our desires for absolutes! I would say that 'nothing' does NOT exist. Infinity does. So WHAT IS infinity? THAT IS THE QUESTION.  Yes, that is the question
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 07/05/09 09:31 PM
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The German philosopher Martin Heidegger argues that the history of Western philosophy rests on a mistake. Philosophers have always approached metaphysical questions in terms of this or that particular thing or being, but not Being itself, Being as such, whatever it is that enables individual things with properties to exist int he first place. A part of Heidegger's efforts to explore the nature of Being in this sense is a consideration of nothing. It leads to what might well be the first question of metaphysics, perhaps even the only true philosophical question: Why is there something rather than nothing? In order to answer this question, we need to have some conception of nothing itself. noting is not any particular thing, or kind of thing, but it is not exactly an absence, either. In reflecting carefully on nothing, Heidegger argues, we experience dread, and this experience is our best clue to understanding the true nature of nothing. This feeling of dread has a lot to do with the inevitable nothingness that awaits us in death. In seeing nothing in this way, as our limit, or boundary, we can come to see nothing not as the opposite of Being, but as that which shapes and gives definition to Being as such. Accoring to Martin Heidegger, underlying everything is nothingness - nada, nil, nothing at all. How does that make you feel?  Why is there something rather than nothing? This has alway been one of my favorite subjects. My answer is: NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE. Literal meaning of this is that NOTHING does not exist. Therefore, SOMETHING does. It is a question of: TO BE OR NOT TO BE. THAT IS BEING. Being exists and is SOMETHING simply because NOTHING is impossible. (It does not have existence.) Infinity exists. (This bares repeating I think.) INFINITY EXISTS. It (infinity) is defined (BY WEBSTER) as "That which exists infinitely." To exist is to be. Infinity is 'infinite being." |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Mon 07/06/09 09:03 AM
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Avoiding all issues of semantics . . .
The real problem with finally claiming we have found a pure vacuum (devoid of all field energy as well as all forms of matter) is that we cannot know for sure . . . we may later find an obscure field or find that particles. Unless we can show a complete TOE (theory of everything) that by a product of necessity allows a pure vacuum then it seems to remain an argument from ignorance to claim that nothing can exist. |
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Yes Martin Heidegger had received alot of prank on his conclusions to "nothingness" from his collegues and other famous philosophers.
One thing that you can give him credit for is that he has made it a subject to debate resulting to different idealogies and possibilities. |
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Avoiding all issues of semantics . . . The real problem with finally claiming we have found a pure vacuum (devoid of all field energy as well as all forms of matter) is that we cannot know for sure . . . we may later find an obscure field or find that particles. Unless we can show a complete TOE (theory of everything) that by a product of necessity allows a pure vacuum then it seems to remain an argument from ignorance to claim that nothing can exist. Then you agree that NOTHING cannot exist. |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Mon 07/06/09 12:55 PM
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Avoiding all issues of semantics . . . The real problem with finally claiming we have found a pure vacuum (devoid of all field energy as well as all forms of matter) is that we cannot know for sure . . . we may later find an obscure field or find that particles. Unless we can show a complete TOE (theory of everything) that by a product of necessity allows a pure vacuum then it seems to remain an argument from ignorance to claim that nothing can exist. Then you agree that NOTHING cannot exist. I choose to not put the cart before the horse and instead focus on what does exist. Chances are we will get our TOE eventually and chances are it will saying nothing about the subject . . . sadly this is the way with many such unifying theories. Id say its like proving god doesn't exist. As long as there is a gap, the idea can fill it. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 07/06/09 03:10 PM
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Avoiding all issues of semantics . . . The real problem with finally claiming we have found a pure vacuum (devoid of all field energy as well as all forms of matter) is that we cannot know for sure . . . we may later find an obscure field or find that particles. Unless we can show a complete TOE (theory of everything) that by a product of necessity allows a pure vacuum then it seems to remain an argument from ignorance to claim that nothing can exist. Then you agree that NOTHING cannot exist. I choose to not put the cart before the horse and instead focus on what does exist. The existence of nothing, therefore, is simply an impossible concept. All you can actually conceive is the appearance or idea of nothing. But then there is still the observer... which is something. Chances are we will get our TOE eventually and chances are it will saying nothing about the subject . . . sadly this is the way with many such unifying theories. Id say its like proving god doesn't exist. As long as there is a gap, the idea can fill it. "I choose to not put the cart before the horse and instead focus on what does exist." Probably a reasonable idea, to focus on what does exist.  You can't really 'focus' on 'nothing.'  But logically, one can deduce that NOTHING can't possibly exist. Nothing does have a definition, which is the absence of 'something." The only way for 'nothing' to exist is if we (something) did not exist, and if we (something) did not exist it becomes a moot point to ponder if 'nothing' exists. Or you might be looking for a separate closed system apart from our 'something' that has no matter or form or energy or anything within that system and then you might want to say that 'nothing' exists, ..over there---------> pointing to a black space with no stars and no sign of anything, but then that would not be 'nothing' either because we would give it a name of some kind and it would be "something" and we would call it a system with apparently nothing in it. So the reason you can be certain that 'nothing' CANNOT exist is because YOU exist. You are something. Nothing and something are opposites. Outside of physical spacetime systems there is no space and no time. Everything exists HERE NOW. In that state of being, (or for that matter in any state of being) "something" and "nothing" cannot both occur. "Something" cancels out "nothing." |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 07/06/09 03:06 PM
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Id say its like proving god doesn't exist. As long as there is a gap, the idea can fill it. No, its nothing at all like that. "God" has not even been defined. It is a meaningless word. "Nothing" has been defined. |
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