And yet you felt compelled to add your $.02.

Who is more the fool, the one who debates so called meaningless things or the one who tells everyone they are fools for debating it?

Im all about the education my friend. If I can help someone, or save YOU some time.. so be it.. no need to thank me.

Your offering to educate me for free, wow, and to think I paid over 40k for my education.

Not going to say waste,,.. not going to say wasteee.... errrrr... jk

*summoning powers that be for a meeting*

Let me stop you right there, because this is the spot where your logic falls apart. Said nothing universe (if it's existence were even possible) would in itself be something. If it exists it must be something. A universe which contains nothing will not physically exist. Everything that exists must be made up of something. Even if it is nothing, that is something. Therefor nothingness does not exist outside of concept.

Oooh "the powers that be" is that like the super friends? Will you introduce me to Batman?

Batman rules your off base!

Batman rules your off base!

Infinity and nothing are concepts the human mind makes a mess of.

Its an onion, where we are not sure if we are on the last layer or just have run out of strength to pull back any more for a time.

Does infinity, or nothing exist within nature as anything other than a concept?

Hmm, Id say not. I could be wrong, dam 3D material perspectives ruining our desires for absolutes!

I would say that 'nothing' does NOT exist.

Infinity does.

So WHAT IS infinity?

THAT IS THE QUESTION.

The German philosopher Martin Heidegger argues that the history of Western philosophy rests on a mistake. Philosophers have always approached metaphysical questions in terms of this or that particular thing or being, but not Being itself, Being as such, whatever it is that enables individual things with properties to exist int he first place.

A part of Heidegger's efforts to explore the nature of Being in this sense is a consideration of nothing. It leads to what might well be the first question of metaphysics, perhaps even the only true philosophical question: Why is there something rather than nothing?

In order to answer this question, we need to have some conception of nothing itself. noting is not any particular thing, or kind of thing, but it is not exactly an absence, either. In reflecting carefully on nothing, Heidegger argues, we experience dread, and this experience is our best clue to understanding the true nature of nothing.

This feeling of dread has a lot to do with the inevitable nothingness that awaits us in death. In seeing nothing in this way, as our limit, or boundary, we can come to see nothing not as the opposite of Being, but as that which shapes and gives definition to Being as such.

Accoring to Martin Heidegger, underlying everything is nothingness - nada, nil, nothing at all.

How does that make you feel?

Avoiding all issues of semantics . . .

The real problem with finally claiming we have found a pure vacuum (devoid of all field energy as well as all forms of matter) is that we cannot know for sure . . . we may later find an obscure field or find that particles.

Unless we can show a complete TOE (theory of everything) that by a product of necessity allows a pure vacuum then it seems to remain an argument from ignorance to claim that nothing can exist.

Then you agree that NOTHING cannot exist.

I agree that we cannot know without a framework that explains far to much(such as a proverbial TOE) to be wrong, and informs us that nothing must somehow exist for it all to fall into place.

I choose to not put the cart before the horse and instead focus on what does exist.

The existence of nothing, therefore, is simply an impossible concept. All you can actually conceive is the appearance or idea of nothing. But then there is still the observer... which is something.

Chances are we will get our TOE eventually and chances are it will saying nothing about the subject . . . sadly this is the way with many such unifying theories.

Id say its like proving god doesn't exist. As long as there is a gap, the idea can fill it.

Id say its like proving god doesn't exist. As long as there is a gap, the idea can fill it.