Topic: Lawyers claim ringtones are public performance
ThomasJB's photo
Fri 07/03/09 05:03 PM

Lawyers claim ringtones are public performance

EFF hits out at 'outlandish copyright claims'

By Kelly Fiveash

Posted in Mobile, 3rd July 2009 10:21 GMT


Internet watchdog Electronic Frontier Foundation has hit out at a US music royalties collector, accusing it of making “outlandish copyright claims” about mobile phone ringtones.

The American Society of Composer, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP) filed a lawsuit against telecoms giant AT&T, in which it told a federal court that ringtones fell under the public perfomance Copyright Act.

ASCAP collects royalties and licences on behalf of 350,000 members in the US.

In effect, the organisation is gunning for additional payments from mobile firms, and if they don’t cough up the royalties ASCAP could claim copyright infringement against mobile users, according to the EFF.

The lobby group responded by filing an amicus brief* for the case earlier this week in the US District Court for the Southern District of New York.

The brief, which was also joined by the Center for Democracy and Technology and Public Knowledge, urged the federal court to reject what the EFF described as “bogus copyright claims… that could raise costs for consumers, jeopardise consumer rights, and curtail new technological innovation”.

Copyright law exempts performance "without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage”, which should include the use of mobile ringtones in a public place, asserted the EFF. "This is an outlandish argument from ASCAP," said EFF senior intellectual property attorney Fred von Lohmann.

"Are the millions of people who have bought ringtones breaking the law if they forget to silence their phones in a restaurant? Under this reasoning from ASCAP, it would be a copyright violation for you to play your car radio with the window down!"

ASCAP insisted it wouldn’t pursue individuals who it perceived to be breaking copyright law by airing music via their ringtones in public, but said it would bring royalty claims against phone service providers in the US.

"Because it is legal for consumers to play music in public, it's also legal for my mobile phone carrier to sell me a ringtone and a phone to do it. Otherwise it would be illegal to sell all kinds of technologies that help us enjoy our fair use, first sale, and other copyright privileges," argued von Lohmann.

But ASCAP, which filed a document against AT&T’s request for a summary judgment in the case early last month, disagrees with that stance, claiming that performances can still violate copyright even if no commercial gain is apparent, such as with ringtones.

The case continues. ®

*A document submitted to a court by someone who is not directly related to the case under consideration.


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/03/ascap_eff_ringtones_copyright_infringement_claims/

Moondark's photo
Fri 07/03/09 05:07 PM
To me, it sounds like a direct tie in to what they are trying to do with the radio stations. So the artists get paid every time their song is played.

I always thought the purpose to having your music on the radio was for people to hear it, like it, and then buy it. Radio play is a form of advertising for the artists and record companies. Not a "performance" of the music.

But after saying they wanted radio stations to pay for playing the songs, I'm not at all surprised by this course of action.

earthytaurus76's photo
Fri 07/03/09 05:11 PM
Edited by earthytaurus76 on Fri 07/03/09 05:13 PM
You got bored, didnt ya hon? lol

Ya know what I find entertaining? (besides shiny things)

Those criminals that get caught doing stupid crap.

Love it!

Moondark's photo
Fri 07/03/09 05:17 PM
Shiny things are good. I like shiny things. I need to better organize my shiny things.

ThomasJB's photo
Fri 07/03/09 05:18 PM

You got bored, didnt ya hon? lol

Ya know what I find entertaining? (besides shiny things)

Those criminals that get caught doing stupid crap.

Love it!


Though I do have a fascination with shinny things and stupid criminals, I actually do find this interesting too. This is one of those things that could have a far reaching effect. Isn't copyright law screwed up enough already?

earthytaurus76's photo
Fri 07/03/09 05:20 PM
I just shook my head when I heard this.. I dunno... at very least, someone high up would know someone that is making some money offa selling ringtones, and it would never happen.


I agree, its interesting that people could be so stupid for sure.


Man those people would go to any length.


I loves me some ringtones. :heart:

adj4u's photo
Fri 07/03/09 05:21 PM
Edited by adj4u on Fri 07/03/09 05:26 PM
well maybe the mobile phone companies should turn the table and say they want their pay for advertising the songs that are used for ring tones

after all how often is the complete song played

if no one plays an artists song in public their sells will be nil

after all who will buy something they never heard of

this is a cut off your nose to spite your face issue

just a thought

but hey

what do i know

earthytaurus76's photo
Fri 07/03/09 05:23 PM

well maybe the mobile phone companies should turn the table and say they want their pay for advertising the songs that are used for ring tones

after all how often is the complete song played

if no one plays an artists song in public their says will be nil

after all who will buy something they never heard of

this is a cut off your nose to spite your face issue

just a thought

but hey

what do i know


:thumbsup: yeah, absoloutely. Im with that.

Italy0219's photo
Fri 07/03/09 05:31 PM
ASCAP are ********.flowerforyou

Mr_Music's photo
Fri 07/03/09 05:49 PM
Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

And it's only getting worse.

adj4u's photo
Fri 07/03/09 05:57 PM
the best way to handle it is to stop any free play of any ascap performers for 90 days

watch the sells plummet

if it says ascap send an email to the performer and tell them you will not buy an ascap performer product

greed is what you permit it to be

just like when the ball player went on strike if the fans would have went on strike after they settled then ya could go to a game with out spending 400$

just a thought

but hey

what do i know

cabot's photo
Fri 07/03/09 07:13 PM
I always figured the money made off of ringtone sales were divided up, with some going to the artist or recording company.

ThomasJB's photo
Fri 07/03/09 07:26 PM
I just checked and ringtones are on my verizon phone start at 2.99. For that you get about 10 seconds of song. I could buy the whole damn song for cheaper from itunes. You can't tell me they aren't getting enough for their material already.