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Topic: Hell: The Devil's Domain (Part 1/10)
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Fri 07/03/09 01:22 PM

Hell: The Devil's Domain (Part 1/10)devil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE_TWhzG-p0

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Fri 07/10/09 04:37 PM
You do know that there is no Hell in the Jewish faith, I often wonder how it was created by the Xians. One theory is that Gehenna, an actual place, refered to by the Muslims as the Wadi of Fire, was misinterpreted to mean this thing called Hell, which is a poor copy of Pagan beliefs of a place for punishment.

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Fri 07/10/09 06:25 PM
laugh That guy narrating was so intense.. lol.


Yep, hell..

The art was pretty cool in those.

Something occoured to me though..

Wouldnt someone who was evil want to goto hell anyway?

They wouldnt enjoy positivity, and goodness and stuff anyway.

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Fri 07/17/09 12:11 PM

laugh That guy narrating was so intense.. lol.


Yep, hell..

The art was pretty cool in those.

Something occoured to me though..

Wouldnt someone who was evil want to goto hell anyway?

They wouldnt enjoy positivity, and goodness and stuff anyway.
No one thinks they are evil unless its to validate there image as a badass.

Even then they think they are justified.

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Fri 07/17/09 03:54 PM

The legend of a "devil" probably came down from the nonhuman alien lifeforms that live in the vibrations and shadows next to this reality. The draconian royalty.

That's my opinion anyway. Read David Icke's "The biggest Secret."


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Sat 07/18/09 08:29 PM
hell and the way in which we have adopted its characteristics comes, I think, comes from Dante's Inferno.

Not the Bible

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Sat 07/18/09 08:34 PM
Grew up in a catholic home, but never did I believe in the devil or hell, just never made any sense to be at all. Heaven I accepted a bit more but gave that up too, when older.

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Sun 07/19/09 01:42 PM

hell and the way in which we have adopted its characteristics comes, I think, comes from Dante's Inferno.

Not the Bible
I must disagree on that point. The Divine Comedy was written several hundreds of years after the bible was, like 1100, and the thoughts of punishmment for sinners and reward for the faithfull and their imagery was well entrenched in the minds of the common folk of Dante's time. he merely attached prose and lyric to what others had already been saying. True that much art after the Divine Comedy was written takes its inspiration from the work and maybe this is where you are drawing your point from? One of my favorite books!!

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Sun 07/19/09 01:53 PM

hell and the way in which we have adopted its characteristics comes, I think, comes from Dante's Inferno.

Not the Bible



I don't think so. :wink:

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Sun 07/19/09 02:22 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 07/19/09 02:23 PM
I have heard stories of a place that exists underground in Africa that if you were ever there, you would think you were in Hell.

It is deep underground and it is lined with copper. It is lighted with torches and there are slave-like workers there mining something. They are mostly natives of Africa who have been taken there either with a promise of a job or against their will. Some have escaped. They claim that non-human devil-like reptilian creatures man the place. This could be just a sample of places on earth that seem like Hell.

I think this story comes from Credo Mutua a South African Shaman: Here is part of his story to a news reporter:


So, there ARE such creatures. Where they come from, I will never claim to know, sir. But they are associated with certain stars in the sky, and one of these stars is a large group of stars which is part of the Milky Way, which our people call Ingiyab, which means ?The Great Serpent?. And there is a red star, a redish star, near the tip of this huge rim of stars which our people call IsoneNkanyamba.

Now, this star called IsoneNkanyamba, I managed to find its English name. It is the star called Alpha Centauri, in English. Now, this, sir, is something that is worth investigating. Why is it that well over 500 tribes in parts of Africa which I?ve visited in the last 40 or 50 years or so, all of them describe similar creatures?

It is said that these creatures feed on us human beings; that they, at one time, challenged God Himself to war, because they wanted full control of the universe. And God fought a terrible battle against them and He defeated them, injured them, and forced them to hide in cities underground.

They hide in deep cavities underground, because they are always feeling cold. In these cavities, we are told, there are huge fires which are kept going by slaves, human, zombie-like slaves. And, it is further said that these Zuswazi, these Imbulu, or whatever you choose to call them, are not capable of eating solid food. They either eat human blood, or they eat that power, the energy that is generated when human beings, on the surface of the Earth, are fighting and killing each other in large numbers.

I met people who have fled from the early Masaki in Rwanda, from years ago, and these people were horrified by what was happening in their country. They said that the slaughter of the Hutus by the Watusi, and the Watusi by the Hutus, is actually feeding the Imanujela, monsters. Because the Imanujela like to inhale the energy that is generated by masses of people being terrified or being killed by other people.


for more of his story:

http://www.monstrous.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=7386.0

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Sun 07/19/09 02:32 PM

I have heard stories of a place that exists underground in Africa that if you were ever there, you would think you were in Hell.

It is deep underground and it is lined with copper. It is lighted with torches and there are slave-like workers there mining something. They are mostly natives of Africa who have been taken there either with a promise of a job or against their will. Some have escaped. They claim that non-human devil-like reptilian creatures man the place. This could be just a sample of places on earth that seem like Hell.

I think this story comes from Credo Mutua a South African Shaman: Here is part of his story to a news reporter:


So, there ARE such creatures. Where they come from, I will never claim to know, sir. But they are associated with certain stars in the sky, and one of these stars is a large group of stars which is part of the Milky Way, which our people call Ingiyab, which means ?The Great Serpent?. And there is a red star, a redish star, near the tip of this huge rim of stars which our people call IsoneNkanyamba.

Now, this star called IsoneNkanyamba, I managed to find its English name. It is the star called Alpha Centauri, in English. Now, this, sir, is something that is worth investigating. Why is it that well over 500 tribes in parts of Africa which I?ve visited in the last 40 or 50 years or so, all of them describe similar creatures?

It is said that these creatures feed on us human beings; that they, at one time, challenged God Himself to war, because they wanted full control of the universe. And God fought a terrible battle against them and He defeated them, injured them, and forced them to hide in cities underground.

They hide in deep cavities underground, because they are always feeling cold. In these cavities, we are told, there are huge fires which are kept going by slaves, human, zombie-like slaves. And, it is further said that these Zuswazi, these Imbulu, or whatever you choose to call them, are not capable of eating solid food. They either eat human blood, or they eat that power, the energy that is generated when human beings, on the surface of the Earth, are fighting and killing each other in large numbers.

I met people who have fled from the early Masaki in Rwanda, from years ago, and these people were horrified by what was happening in their country. They said that the slaughter of the Hutus by the Watusi, and the Watusi by the Hutus, is actually feeding the Imanujela, monsters. Because the Imanujela like to inhale the energy that is generated by masses of people being terrified or being killed by other people.


for more of his story:

http://www.monstrous.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=7386.0
A Fear and Terror Demon..I knew they were out there!laugh

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Sun 07/19/09 03:21 PM


hell and the way in which we have adopted its characteristics comes, I think, comes from Dante's Inferno.

Not the Bible
I must disagree on that point. The Divine Comedy was written several hundreds of years after the bible was, like 1100, and the thoughts of punishmment for sinners and reward for the faithfull and their imagery was well entrenched in the minds of the common folk of Dante's time. he merely attached prose and lyric to what others had already been saying. True that much art after the Divine Comedy was written takes its inspiration from the work and maybe this is where you are drawing your point from? One of my favorite books!!


Thank-you for the correction, I do believe you are correct, I had totally forgotten about the Divine Comedy. Now I want to read it again.
thanks

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Sun 07/19/09 06:56 PM



hell and the way in which we have adopted its characteristics comes, I think, comes from Dante's Inferno.

Not the Bible
I must disagree on that point. The Divine Comedy was written several hundreds of years after the bible was, like 1100, and the thoughts of punishmment for sinners and reward for the faithfull and their imagery was well entrenched in the minds of the common folk of Dante's time. he merely attached prose and lyric to what others had already been saying. True that much art after the Divine Comedy was written takes its inspiration from the work and maybe this is where you are drawing your point from? One of my favorite books!!


Thank-you for the correction, I do believe you are correct, I had totally forgotten about the Divine Comedy. Now I want to read it again.
thanks
what but you mentioned the Inferno...

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Sun 07/19/09 07:55 PM


laugh That guy narrating was so intense.. lol.


Yep, hell..

The art was pretty cool in those.

Something occoured to me though..

Wouldnt someone who was evil want to goto hell anyway?

They wouldnt enjoy positivity, and goodness and stuff anyway.
No one thinks they are evil unless its to validate there image as a badass.

Even then they think they are justified.


Ooh yeah, thats true, thank you for extending the thought. Thats what makes them so "evil" they know the difference, and they choose the ick.


oh, and hi drool bigsmile

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Mon 07/20/09 02:56 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Mon 07/20/09 02:58 PM


hell and the way in which we have adopted its characteristics comes, I think, comes from Dante's Inferno.

Not the Bible
I must disagree on that point. The Divine Comedy was written several hundreds of years after the bible was, like 1100, and the thoughts of punishmment for sinners and reward for the faithfull and their imagery was well entrenched in the minds of the common folk of Dante's time. he merely attached prose and lyric to what others had already been saying. True that much art after the Divine Comedy was written takes its inspiration from the work and maybe this is where you are drawing your point from? One of my favorite books!!
I think that makes perfect sense, but it still places the question of where did the idea of hell come from into stark contrast with what we know here in this thread.

The bible mentioned Gehenna, but not hell.

Gehenna is translated as refuse pile, or garbage, or filth. Which to me does not inspire the imagery of hell as we know it. There does not appear to be a place in the bible that specifically talks about hell.

If I am wrong I would love someone to point to the appropriate passages.

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Mon 07/20/09 05:31 PM



hell and the way in which we have adopted its characteristics comes, I think, comes from Dante's Inferno.

Not the Bible
I must disagree on that point. The Divine Comedy was written several hundreds of years after the bible was, like 1100, and the thoughts of punishmment for sinners and reward for the faithfull and their imagery was well entrenched in the minds of the common folk of Dante's time. he merely attached prose and lyric to what others had already been saying. True that much art after the Divine Comedy was written takes its inspiration from the work and maybe this is where you are drawing your point from? One of my favorite books!!
I think that makes perfect sense, but it still places the question of where did the idea of hell come from into stark contrast with what we know here in this thread.

The bible mentioned Gehenna, but not hell.

Gehenna is translated as refuse pile, or garbage, or filth. Which to me does not inspire the imagery of hell as we know it. There does not appear to be a place in the bible that specifically talks about hell.

If I am wrong I would love someone to point to the appropriate passages.
But has it come to be defined as a "burning place" simply because of its mention in the bible as a firey place of punishment or is it a metaphor that has developed from the original translation as garbage pit or burning pit? I guess what I'm trying to say is that maybe the idea of hell came from peoples views that the unworthy were like garbage and garbage gets burned...so since you said that the bible mentioned Gehenna, later people equated this as a spiritual dumping ground, a place of disgust and burning?

Perhaps the idea of a hell has always been with us, as an assurance that those who wronged us in some way would eventually get what was coming to them or that those in control would have to face an accounting....an idea which has had its latest transformation as the books of judeo-christian religion or in the "burning away of bad karma that one has collected in this life"?

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Mon 07/20/09 07:29 PM
Based upon what I have read and studied in the bible, and from others' interpretions as well, I believe heaven or hell is a state of mind. Heaven or hell is not a physical place, but a state of conciousness. If someone has negative thinking patterns, and they have fearful and anxious thoughts, worry and doubt, a state of hell on earth is created. Whereas, those who align their thoughts with love, goodness, harmony, joy and peace create a state of heaven on earth.

Align with positivity = heaven.

Align with negativity = hell.

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Mon 07/20/09 10:12 PM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Mon 07/20/09 10:17 PM
Red is right. Dante's Inferno is where most all beliefs in a fiery torture forever comes from. You won't find it in th eGeneva Bible.

In old english Hell is where you planted your potatoes.

As was said earlier you will not finnd it in the OT

Yahshua said he brought nothing new but what was from the beginning.

The bible has to agree on everything. Hell coming out later was just to control the converts just like today.

many things were added that alot has been corrected since the council of nicea when then cannon we have now was decided.

Look at easter and how it is followed .. go to the old testement and it is a condemned practice to follow.. Shalom...Miles


Also the Etgptians believed in a fiery underworld. This is one reasonn they or the pharoahs were so partiicular about thier deaths

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Tue 07/21/09 10:28 AM

Red is right. Dante's Inferno is where most all beliefs in a fiery torture forever comes from. You won't find it in th eGeneva Bible.

In old english Hell is where you planted your potatoes.

As was said earlier you will not finnd it in the OT

Yahshua said he brought nothing new but what was from the beginning.

The bible has to agree on everything. Hell coming out later was just to control the converts just like today.

many things were added that alot has been corrected since the council of nicea when then cannon we have now was decided.

Look at easter and how it is followed .. go to the old testement and it is a condemned practice to follow.. Shalom...Miles


Also the Etgptians believed in a fiery underworld. This is one reasonn they or the pharoahs were so partiicular about thier deaths
Perhaps when we mix the concepts of burnt offerings, refuse of Gehenna, and the ground where potatoes are planted we get hell.

Hahah, love it.

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Tue 07/21/09 10:46 AM
I thought the modern versions of hell were spinoffs of the Greek and roman gods. Hades is a pretty close approximation.

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