Topic: The way I see the things
Atlantis75's photo
Wed 07/01/09 10:56 AM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Wed 07/01/09 11:00 AM
I'm trying to see the big picture..and without any sort of conspiracy theories so here is what I see what is going on.

Back in the day, USA had many factories, companies and so on, providing jobs and a good paycheck.

As we went through the 90s, and now it 21st century, most jobs evaporated, because the companies went overseas to find cheaper labor (India, China etc) . The "headquarters" are still here and also add the technology and so on to see why it's hard to find a job.

So most jobs you'd find in USA would be administrative and requires not only a college degree but much more now..all sorts of certificates and so on. I don't have to mention, that even these administrative jobs are being outsourced slowly as the rest of the world is cacthing up with schools and technology.

So, we come to the point, where we want to know why our presidents are not doing enough for the people in USA or various actions and policies have nothing to do to make the people in America live better and so on...perhaps there are some benefits, but many times it feels like it was just a secondary thing...not the primary.

It has to do with the large banks and companies, who aren't really dependent on USA anymore and the US citizens really don't matter as much, since they aren't the employees and the company is overseas anyway.
Actually I find it, that the American citizens are being used for tax purposes , and the recent crisis went so far that since the people don't have much to be squeezed out, they are punishing the future generations by the giant borrowings and bailouts, which has to be paid back one way or another and the end of the whip will snap on the back of the ordinary tax payer.

Meanwhile the small businesses, which were providing work and salary are being destroyed with over regulations and too much government control and they went belly up (and the media doesn't even talk about this!) in the past few years, due to the real-estate crisis, which started this whole downward spiral.

So now, you get to a point, where your government is paid by (elected by?) and ran by international banks and companies with different purposes and goals, which none of them has anything to do with the people of USA, beside trying to sell their junk in Walmart. So you are a taxpayer and maybe a potential buyer first, and then comes everything else.

In a milder version, perhaps the government is there and maybe not elected , but definetely rely on the support of large banks and companies one way or another, and regardless of who is the president, he must kiss a$$ to the bankers and companies or they gonna pull the carpet out from under him or any political figure in no time.

But since the economy problem you being the "potential buyer" is loosing even more now, since now you don't have money and why would anyone want to try to sell anything to those who got no money, can't even take out a loan and it's very risky to start any business?

Eventually this whole thing might get worse if we keep going like this, because we get to the point when you can't even pay your debts and taxes... eventually this whole country is gonna go bankrupt and more businesses close, and by the time people start to wake up how this whole thing is not for their favor whatsoever, they would be better off to start thinking about how they gonna get food on the table.


Just my 2 cents...

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Wed 07/01/09 11:23 AM
I agree, with your 2 cents worth.drinker
I could never have, explained this,in such a way.

I did read the whole thing,and understand, what you are saying,without even 1 "blonde" moment..lolol..surprised :wink:

Bestinshow's photo
Wed 07/01/09 11:23 AM
Edited by Bestinshow on Wed 07/01/09 11:28 AM
I think you made some verry valid points but your forgot to mention automation. This had alot to do with the unemployment figures companies have found it much easier to pay one programer for a robotic system it is far more efficient the draw back is robots do not pay the taxes that support our schools, military, social programs etc etc. Companies are able to meet or exceed prdouction goals with fewer and fewer people and with all the Bush tax cuts for businesses they too are not paying a fair share of taxes then you can factor in local tax abatements to lure the business into some towns. All of this adds up to depleted services for those who need it and the huge deficit we now have.

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Wed 07/01/09 01:14 PM
The reality is that for far too long our government has spent taxpayer's monies on programs we can't pay for except by raising the deficit.



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Wed 07/01/09 03:36 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Wed 07/01/09 03:36 PM
Back in 2004, I was working with this construction guy who said "Things are gonna go really bad soon". Most people laughed on him, that he is imagining things.

It turns out, he knows a lot of real estate guys and many shops and he talks a lot. So basically what he heard, that lumber yards and hardware stores suddenly experiencing a drop in sales as well as real-estate guys seemed to be nervous and wanted to do a quick sale.

And also personal experience here...I live in an area, where rich people (and not so rich people) constantly build or repair their houses and so on..and I used to see a lot of contractors running around with their vans and trucks. Now I hardly see any so anytime you read news about unemployment, also add the massive loss of jobs and bankrupt small business owners (who also had to fire their employees), because they go unreported, since they can't claim unemployment checks and neither goes on the records, beside at IRS..but that won't come out until next year tax-time, if they reported their business close since the new fiscal year (later than sept/08).


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Wed 07/01/09 04:33 PM

The reality is that for far too long our government has spent taxpayer's monies on programs, the overwhelming majority of which we don't even need and that we can't pay for except by raising the deficit.



Fixed smokin

Anonimoose's photo
Wed 07/01/09 04:36 PM
Oh, and has anyone ever noticed how the "experts" are always "shocked" by whatever the financial indicators news of the day is? I'd like to know how I can get a job as an "expert" where I get to be wrong so much ... anyone got a lead on those jobs?