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Edited by
iamgeorgiagirl
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They say he is not omnipotent because he is angry. I see this as an excuse to deny he is who he is...the creator. I think if someone does something such as rapes a child for an example or many children throughout their lifetime and feels justified in doing it without remorse...I look forward to someone like this being punished with a final death. I think it is justified. God doesn't kill them, man does. So it is not an act of god unless the rape was an act of god then too and then both can be an act of god otherwise they are acts of man against man. Uh, what? They will be punished or not after they are judged by The Holy Spirit. He determines who lives or dies. |
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 As for gay love or whatever....I didn't make the commandments and I don't see it listed as a ticket to Hell. Well, there you go. We all decide what we think is worthy of a ticket to hell. Religion is nothing more than one person trying to tell another person what God requires from them. On a personal level I have no problem with a judgmental God because I have faith that if any such God exists it's not the dastardly demon that Christains claim. Also, if you want to talk about remorse etc. Where is there any remose in believing that Jesus was the Son of the God of Abraham? In what way does it imply that a person is not remorseful just because they see an ancient mythology as being totally absurd? I take everything I know about all of history and look at the bibilcal story and see Jesus as someone who actually denounced the hateful bigotries that were contained in an ancient mythology and he was crucficied for his efforts and his dead carcass used to exploit the very mythology that he denounced. Now in what way would that make me unwilling to be remorseful for things I feel I may have personally done? Clearly the whole idea of remorse does not require any concept of Jesus or any savior. In fact, I've often argued that Christianity is a religion that became a trainwreck. It started out being about good behavior, and ended up being about a BELIEF in a particular dogma. There's no reason why a person should feel remorse for nothing beliveing in a dogma. Especially if they see it as being disgusting. If anything God would need to apologize to them for having created such a horribly confusing dogma. I don't see how he could blame anyone for rejecting it as being utterly conflicing, inconsistent, and in many places downright stupid. The Ten Commandments 1. Do not worship other gods. 2. Do not worship idols. 3. Do not misuse God's name. 4. Keep the Sabbath holy. 5. Honor your father & mother. 6. Do not murder. 7. Do not commit adultery. 8. Do not steal. 9. Do not lie. 10. Do not covet. I see nothing here about homosexuality I just want to point out that these are not the 10 commandments, there is only one place in the bible that clearly states ten commandments and calls them the ten commandments that are written in stone and the ones you quote above are not them. |
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As for gay love or whatever....I didn't make the commandments and I don't see it listed as a ticket to Hell. Well, there you go. We all decide what we think is worthy of a ticket to hell. Religion is nothing more than one person trying to tell another person what God requires from them. On a personal level I have no problem with a judgmental God because I have faith that if any such God exists it's not the dastardly demon that Christains claim. Also, if you want to talk about remorse etc. Where is there any remose in believing that Jesus was the Son of the God of Abraham? In what way does it imply that a person is not remorseful just because they see an ancient mythology as being totally absurd? I take everything I know about all of history and look at the bibilcal story and see Jesus as someone who actually denounced the hateful bigotries that were contained in an ancient mythology and he was crucficied for his efforts and his dead carcass used to exploit the very mythology that he denounced. Now in what way would that make me unwilling to be remorseful for things I feel I may have personally done? Clearly the whole idea of remorse does not require any concept of Jesus or any savior. In fact, I've often argued that Christianity is a religion that became a trainwreck. It started out being about good behavior, and ended up being about a BELIEF in a particular dogma. There's no reason why a person should feel remorse for nothing beliveing in a dogma. Especially if they see it as being disgusting. If anything God would need to apologize to them for having created such a horribly confusing dogma. I don't see how he could blame anyone for rejecting it as being utterly conflicing, inconsistent, and in many places downright stupid. The Ten Commandments 1. Do not worship other gods. 2. Do not worship idols. 3. Do not misuse God's name. 4. Keep the Sabbath holy. 5. Honor your father & mother. 6. Do not murder. 7. Do not commit adultery. 8. Do not steal. 9. Do not lie. 10. Do not covet. I see nothing here about homosexuality I just want to point out that these are not the 10 commandments, there is only one place in the bible that clearly states ten commandments and calls them the ten commandments that are written in stone and the ones you quote above are not them. The 10 Commandments - God's Revelation in the Old Testament The 10 Commandments are found in the Bible's Old Testament at Exodus, Chapter 20. They were given directly by God to the people of Israel at Mount Sinai after He had delivered them from slavery in Egypt: "And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God… ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.' TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.' THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.' FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.' FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.' SIX: 'You shall not murder.' SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.' EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.' NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.' TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.' |
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Text of the Ten Commandments
The lists known as the Ten Commandments are given in passages in two books of the Bible: Exodus 20:2–17, Exodus 34:11–27 and Deuteronomy 5:6–21. These passages are provided in English below, using the New Revised Standard Version translation and formatting. Various religions and denominations group the commandments differently; see the Division of the Commandments section for a detailed accounting. The Exodus 34 passage is divergent and covered elsewhere. The Ten Commandments Exodus 20:2–17 Deuteronomy 5:6–21 Exodus 34:11–27 2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3 Do not have any other gods before me. 4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments. 7 You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name. 8 Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. 9 For six days you shall labour and do all your work. 10 But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and consecrated it. 12 Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you. 13 You shall not kill 14 You shall not commit adultery. 15 You shall not steal. 16 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour. 17 You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour. 6 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 7 you shall have no other gods before me. 8 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me, 10 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments. 11 You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name. 12 Observe the sabbath day and keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. 13 For six days you shall labour and do all your work. 14 But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, or your son or your daughter, or your male or female slave, or your ox or your donkey, or any of your livestock, or the resident alien in your towns, so that your male and female slave may rest as well as you. 15 Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day. 16 Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God commanded you, so that your days may be long and that it may go well with you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you. 17 You shall not kill 18 Neither shall you commit adultery. 19 Neither shall you steal. 20 Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbour. 21 Neither shall you covet your neighbour’s wife. Neither shall you desire your neighbour’s house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour. 11 Observe what I command you today. See, I will drive out before you the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. 12 Take care not to make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land to which you are going, or it will become a snare among you. 13 You shall tear down their altars, break their pillars, and cut down their sacred poles 14 (for you shall worship no other god, because the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God). 15 You shall not make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to their gods, someone among them will invite you, and you will eat of the sacrifice. 16 And you will take wives from among their daughters for your sons, and their daughters who prostitute themselves to their gods will make your sons also prostitute themselves to their gods. 17 You shall not make cast idols. 18 You shall keep the festival of unleavened bread. For seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the time appointed in the month of Abib; for in the month of Abib you came out from Egypt. 19 All that first opens the womb is mine, all your male livestock, the firstborn of cow and sheep. 20 The firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb, or if you will not redeem it you shall break its neck. All the firstborn of your sons you shall redeem. No one shall appear before me empty-handed. 21 For six days you shall work, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even in ploughing time and in harvest time you shall rest. 22 You shall observe the festival of weeks, the first fruits of wheat harvest, and the festival of ingathering at the turn of the year. 23 Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel. 24 For I will cast out nations before you, and enlarge your borders; no one shall covet your land when you go up to appear before the Lord your God three times in the year. 25 You shall not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven, and the sacrifice of the festival of the passover shall not be left until the morning. 26 The best of the first fruits of your ground you shall bring to the house of the Lord your God. You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk. 27 The Lord said to Moses: Write these words; in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel. Tell me what is different? |
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Nothing about homosexuality there either. These are the commandments as I was taught them. no others. Mabe I am wrong but I don't think so of course.
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How is it different from this shorter to the point version?
The Ten Commandments 1. Do not worship other gods. 2. Do not worship idols. 3. Do not misuse God's name. 4. Keep the Sabbath holy. 5. Honor your father & mother. 6. Do not murder. 7. Do not commit adultery. 8. Do not steal. 9. Do not lie. 10. Do not covet. |
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Thats what I thought... there is no difference in the gist. How is it different from this shorter to the point version? The Ten Commandments 1. Do not worship other gods. 2. Do not worship idols. 3. Do not misuse God's name. 4. Keep the Sabbath holy. 5. Honor your father & mother. 6. Do not murder. 7. Do not commit adultery. 8. Do not steal. 9. Do not lie. 10. Do not covet. |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Wed 06/03/09 04:40 PM
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Either God wants to abolish evil and cannot,
or he can but does not want to, or he cannot and does not want to, or lastly he can and wants to. If he wants to remove evil, and cannot, he is not omnipotent; If he can, but does not want to, he is not benevolent; If he neither can nor wants to, he is neither omnipotent nor benevolent; But if God can abolish evil and wants to, how does evil exist and still be omnipotent and benevolent? |
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