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 As for gay love or whatever....I didn't make the commandments and I don't see it listed as a ticket to Hell. Well, there you go. We all decide what we think is worthy of a ticket to hell. Religion is nothing more than one person trying to tell another person what God requires from them. On a personal level I have no problem with a judgmental God because I have faith that if any such God exists it's not the dastardly demon that Christains claim. Also, if you want to talk about remorse etc. Where is there any remose in believing that Jesus was the Son of the God of Abraham? In what way does it imply that a person is not remorseful just because they see an ancient mythology as being totally absurd? I take everything I know about all of history and look at the bibilcal story and see Jesus as someone who actually denounced the hateful bigotries that were contained in an ancient mythology and he was crucficied for his efforts and his dead carcass used to exploit the very mythology that he denounced. Now in what way would that make me unwilling to be remorseful for things I feel I may have personally done? Clearly the whole idea of remorse does not require any concept of Jesus or any savior. In fact, I've often argued that Christianity is a religion that became a trainwreck. It started out being about good behavior, and ended up being about a BELIEF in a particular dogma. There's no reason why a person should feel remorse for nothing beliveing in a dogma. Especially if they see it as being disgusting. If anything God would need to apologize to them for having created such a horribly confusing dogma. I don't see how he could blame anyone for rejecting it as being utterly conflicing, inconsistent, and in many places downright stupid. The Ten Commandments 1. Do not worship other gods. 2. Do not worship idols. 3. Do not misuse God's name. 4. Keep the Sabbath holy. 5. Honor your father & mother. 6. Do not murder. 7. Do not commit adultery. 8. Do not steal. 9. Do not lie. 10. Do not covet. I see nothing here about homosexuality |
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I have said I was alive before I was born here on earth. So does the bible I guess I missed that part. I wasn't aware that Christians believed this. Jesus also said that we are Gods. But they don't like that line either. 
Finally, let me also point out that other religions don't toss the baby out with the bath water. Almost all Eastern Mystic religions believe in karma and that we will indeed have to 'pay' for our actions. They just have no need for a judgmental God becasue they see this as having been built into the system automatically. There's no need for any external judgemental deity. It's all done through karma. So in that sense, the concept of paying for our actions has been taken care of without any need for a judgemental Godhead. It makes sense. I might tell someone to go to Hell but also know I am not the judge.
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They say he is not omnipotent because he is angry. I see this as an excuse to deny he is who he is...the creator. I think if someone does something such as rapes a child for an example or many children throughout their lifetime and feels justified in doing it without remorse...I look forward to someone like this being punished with a final death. I think it is justified. For raping a child? Swift death is in my book but we do the execution, not God. According to the church, raping the child is ok. Performing the abortion that basically saves that child's life is the bigger sin.. 
What church is this? The church of Satan? 
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They say he is not omnipotent because he is angry. I see this as an excuse to deny he is who he is...the creator. I think if someone does something such as rapes a child for an example or many children throughout their lifetime and feels justified in doing it without remorse...I look forward to someone like this being punished with a final death. I think it is justified. For raping a child? Swift death is in my book but we do the execution, not God. According to the church, raping the child is ok. Performing the abortion that basically saves that child's life is the bigger sin..
What church is this? The church of Satan?
Nope. That would be the Catholic Church. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/church-excommunicates-mother-of-9yearold-rape-victim-ndash-but-not-accused-rapist-14218389.html |
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They say he is not omnipotent because he is angry. I see this as an excuse to deny he is who he is...the creator. I think if someone does something such as rapes a child for an example or many children throughout their lifetime and feels justified in doing it without remorse...I look forward to someone like this being punished with a final death. I think it is justified. For raping a child? Swift death is in my book but we do the execution, not God. According to the church, raping the child is ok. Performing the abortion that basically saves that child's life is the bigger sin..
What church is this? The church of Satan?
Nope. That would be the Catholic Church. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/church-excommunicates-mother-of-9yearold-rape-victim-ndash-but-not-accused-rapist-14218389.html I am not Catholic. I was not using birth control and was suspected to be pregnant when I was raped. I took the morning after pill to cause me to have a miscarriage if I was pregnant. People can judge me if they want but...I couldn't have a baby by my rapist....I refused. |
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As for gay love or whatever....I didn't make the commandments and I don't see it listed as a ticket to Hell. Well, there you go. We all decide what we think is worthy of a ticket to hell. Religion is nothing more than one person trying to tell another person what God requires from them. On a personal level I have no problem with a judgmental God because I have faith that if any such God exists it's not the dastardly demon that Christains claim. Also, if you want to talk about remorse etc. Where is there any remose in believing that Jesus was the Son of the God of Abraham? In what way does it imply that a person is not remorseful just because they see an ancient mythology as being totally absurd? I take everything I know about all of history and look at the bibilcal story and see Jesus as someone who actually denounced the hateful bigotries that were contained in an ancient mythology and he was crucficied for his efforts and his dead carcass used to exploit the very mythology that he denounced. Now in what way would that make me unwilling to be remorseful for things I feel I may have personally done? Clearly the whole idea of remorse does not require any concept of Jesus or any savior. In fact, I've often argued that Christianity is a religion that became a trainwreck. It started out being about good behavior, and ended up being about a BELIEF in a particular dogma. There's no reason why a person should feel remorse for nothing beliveing in a dogma. Especially if they see it as being disgusting. If anything God would need to apologize to them for having created such a horribly confusing dogma. I don't see how he could blame anyone for rejecting it as being utterly conflicing, inconsistent, and in many places downright stupid. The Ten Commandments 1. Do not worship other gods. 2. Do not worship idols. 3. Do not misuse God's name. 4. Keep the Sabbath holy. 5. Honor your father & mother. 6. Do not murder. 7. Do not commit adultery. 8. Do not steal. 9. Do not lie. 10. Do not covet. I see nothing here about homosexuality There's nothing in there about having premarital sex either. However, you can't very well reduce the entire Bible to the ten commandments and toss out the rest of it as being irrelevant. It's a complete mythology. Either the whole book is the word of God or there's no reason to believe that any part of it is the word of God. Picking and choosing what you like and discarding what you don't like makes no sense at all. |
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As for gay love or whatever....I didn't make the commandments and I don't see it listed as a ticket to Hell. Well, there you go. We all decide what we think is worthy of a ticket to hell. Religion is nothing more than one person trying to tell another person what God requires from them. On a personal level I have no problem with a judgmental God because I have faith that if any such God exists it's not the dastardly demon that Christains claim. Also, if you want to talk about remorse etc. Where is there any remose in believing that Jesus was the Son of the God of Abraham? In what way does it imply that a person is not remorseful just because they see an ancient mythology as being totally absurd? I take everything I know about all of history and look at the bibilcal story and see Jesus as someone who actually denounced the hateful bigotries that were contained in an ancient mythology and he was crucficied for his efforts and his dead carcass used to exploit the very mythology that he denounced. Now in what way would that make me unwilling to be remorseful for things I feel I may have personally done? Clearly the whole idea of remorse does not require any concept of Jesus or any savior. In fact, I've often argued that Christianity is a religion that became a trainwreck. It started out being about good behavior, and ended up being about a BELIEF in a particular dogma. There's no reason why a person should feel remorse for nothing beliveing in a dogma. Especially if they see it as being disgusting. If anything God would need to apologize to them for having created such a horribly confusing dogma. I don't see how he could blame anyone for rejecting it as being utterly conflicing, inconsistent, and in many places downright stupid. The Ten Commandments 1. Do not worship other gods. 2. Do not worship idols. 3. Do not misuse God's name. 4. Keep the Sabbath holy. 5. Honor your father & mother. 6. Do not murder. 7. Do not commit adultery. 8. Do not steal. 9. Do not lie. 10. Do not covet. I see nothing here about homosexuality There's nothing in there about having premarital sex either. However, you can't very well reduce the entire Bible to the ten commandments and toss out the rest of it as being irrelevant. It's a complete mythology. Either the whole book is the word of God or there's no reason to believe that any part of it is the word of God. Picking and choosing what you like and discarding what you don't like makes no sense at all. Sex is fun but not like food & water. It is a choice and a means of replenishing the earth. What if our forefathers were all gay? We wouldn't exist now would we? Well we could be test tube babies I guess. |
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I have said I was alive before I was born here on earth. So does the bible The above statement is NOT found in scriptures. Sorry, Iamgeorgiagirl!!! Also, it is NOWHERE found in scriptures ,that man has a second chance to accept Christ AFTER he dies. False. I have other things to do with my time....then to go around correcting false teaching on here......and mis-interpretation of scripture on this forum !!! Especially when it is continuous(and no..I am not saying you don't ever share correct scripture, Iamgeorgiagirl....you do sometimes..... but there should be NO NEED WHATSOEVER for you to be sharing FALSE TEACHING and ERROR on here...to further confuse people on here!!!!!!!!! So I would suggest to everyone, rather than going by what is always being written on this forum, it is BEST to go check out scriptures for oneself. Have a good day everyone now. 
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What if our forefathers were all gay? We wouldn't exist now would we? My cousin just gave that argument last night to justify his stance that homosexually is unnatural and unproductive therefore ulimately destructive to society. But what about the virgins? God LOVES virgins! In fact something like 144,000 men will be automatically inducted into heaven simply becasue they are virgins and haven't been defiled by a woman. Paul also taught that it's better not to marry! I think Jesus mentioned this too! But in a biblical sense if you don't marry then you shouldn't have offspring! So God condones everyone being virgins. Yet that too would result in the death of humanity as a whole. Not to mention flying in the face of God's directive to be fruitful and multiply. Just more cans of worms. 
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When Scripture revealed to mankind that YHVH established "From The Foundations Of The Earth" all future boundaries, natural laws of physics, the "Physical to Spiritual" (allegorical) relationship of His Creations to Himself (etc.); it was revealing to us that EVERYTHING was PLANNED in ADVANCE, and with NO MARGIN for ERROR!
Job 38:1-8 (Extremely Allegorical) ¶ Then YHVH answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? 3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of The Earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the Elohim shouted for joy? 8 Or who shut up the sea with (symbolic) doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? Psalms 102:25 Of old hast thou (YHVH) laid the foundation of The Earth: and The Heavens are the work of thy (allegorical) hands. My Brethren, what you have just read is "True Preexistence". Preexistence is not only incorporated into the physical structure of "The Universe", but also, into the lives of mankind. If an asteroid crashes into The Earth, it is because it was "Planned" from "The Foundations of The Earth" to do so. Thus, everything that physically exists, does so "By Design." Only mankind was given "Free Will" to choose his direction in life after he is born, but YHVH chooses when and where he will be born. This is, also, the extent of predestination. |
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What if our forefathers were all gay? We wouldn't exist now would we? My cousin just gave that argument last night to justify his stance that homosexually is unnatural and unproductive therefore ulimately destructive to society. But what about the virgins? God LOVES virgins! In fact something like 144,000 men will be automatically inducted into heaven simply becasue they are virgins and haven't been defiled by a woman. Paul also taught that it's better not to marry! I think Jesus mentioned this too! But in a biblical sense if you don't marry then you shouldn't have offspring! So God condones everyone being virgins. Yet that too would result in the death of humanity as a whole. Not to mention flying in the face of God's directive to be fruitful and multiply. Just more cans of worms.
Yea it means only some reproduce |
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I have said I was alive before I was born here on earth. So does the bible The above statement is NOT found in scriptures. Sorry, Iamgeofgiagirl. Also, it is NOWHERE found in scriptures ,that man has a second chance to accept Christ AFTER he dies. False. There you go Georgia Girl. You're just as big of heathen as I am in the eyes of the born again Christians who have DIVINE KNOWLEDGE of God! This is the problem with the religion. Even people who support it disagree with each other. Of course, we already knew that. Let's see,... there's Judaism, Islam, and Catholicism. Oh wait! I almost for those protestors the Protestants! How could I forget them. They SPEAK FOR GOD! And they have a myriad of demoninations, necessarily so becasue they are constantly protesting against each other's view of what God is like.
That's what Protestant do! The protest! This is why there are so many denominations. Far too many to list. I've heard some sites claim that there are over 2500 officially recoginzed denominations of Protestantism, from the Amish to the Zionists! And I think there's at least one for every letter between A thru Z. Amish Baptists Christian Methodists Dutch Reformists Episcopalians Free Methodists German Evangelicals Heritage Reformists Independent Baptists Jehovah Witnesses Klu Klux Klan Latter day Saints Ministries of His Glory New Testament Christians Open Bible Ministries Penecostals Quakers Reformed Baptists Seventh Day Adventists The Revivalists Unitarians Virgin Mary Fellowship World Baptist Alliance X Yehoists Zions for Jesus Ok so I couldn't find one for "x". But for most letters there are actually far more than just one. I also cheated a bit with the KKK, but let's face it, even that organization is based on religious ideals albeit quite perverted. None the less it's driven by this religion at it's foundation. They don't use a Cross for their symbol for nothing!
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I have said I was alive before I was born here on earth. So does the bible The above statement is NOT found in scriptures. Sorry, Iamgeorgiagirl. Also, it is NOWHERE found in scriptures ,that man has a second chance to accept Christ AFTER he dies. So I would suggest to everyone, rather than going by what is always being written on this forum, it is BEST to go check out scriptures for oneself.
Maybe you should reread revelations. I think one could reasonably make a case for second chance based what it says. |
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MOST of the denominations mostly agree Abra.....except fOr minor differences...
but ALL born again christians in any denomination , are able to RECOGNIZE FALSE TEACHERS!!! But the trick is....false teachers will ALWAYS mix in some TRUTH with ERROR... AND UNLESS WE AS BELIEVERS HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT INDWELLING US, TO LEAD AND GUIDE US , WE WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL THE TRUTH FROM A LIE !!!! |
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MOST of the denominations mostly agree Abra.....except fOr minor differences... but ALL born again christians in any denomination , are able to RECOGNIZE FALSE TEACHERS!!! But the trick is....false teachers will ALWAYS mix in some TRUTH with ERROR... AND UNLESS WE AS BELIEVERS HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT INDWELLING US, TO LEAD AND GUIDE US , WE WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL THE TRUTH FROM A LIE !!!! Most of the branch davidians felt they were being lead by the holy spirit. where was the holy spirit to lead them away from koresh? |
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They say he is not omnipotent because he is angry. I see this as an excuse to deny he is who he is...the creator. I think if someone does something such as rapes a child for an example or many children throughout their lifetime and feels justified in doing it without remorse...I look forward to someone like this being punished with a final death. I think it is justified. God doesn't kill them, man does. So it is not an act of god unless the rape was an act of god then too and then both can be an act of god otherwise they are acts of man against man. |
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They say he is not omnipotent because he is angry. I see this as an excuse to deny he is who he is...the creator. I think if someone does something such as rapes a child for an example or many children throughout their lifetime and feels justified in doing it without remorse...I look forward to someone like this being punished with a final death. I think it is justified. God doesn't kill them, man does. So it is not an act of god unless the rape was an act of god then too and then both can be an act of god otherwise they are acts of man against man. What parent, if they seen their child running into a busy intersection, would just stand and watch their child get run over? |
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I have said I was alive before I was born here on earth. So does the bible The above statement is NOT found in scriptures. Sorry, Iamgeofgiagirl. Also, it is NOWHERE found in scriptures ,that man has a second chance to accept Christ AFTER he dies. False. There you go Georgia Girl. You're just as big of heathen as I am in the eyes of the born again Christians who have DIVINE KNOWLEDGE of God! This is the problem with the religion. Even people who support it disagree with each other. Of course, we already knew that. Let's see,... there's Judaism, Islam, and Catholicism. Oh wait! I almost for those protestors the Protestants! How could I forget them. They SPEAK FOR GOD! And they have a myriad of demoninations, necessarily so becasue they are constantly protesting against each other's view of what God is like.
That's what Protestant do! The protest! This is why there are so many denominations. Far too many to list. I've heard some sites claim that there are over 2500 officially recoginzed denominations of Protestantism, from the Amish to the Zionists! And I think there's at least one for every letter between A thru Z. Amish Baptists Christian Methodists Dutch Reformists Episcopalians Free Methodists German Evangelicals Heritage Reformists Independent Baptists Jehovah Witnesses Klu Klux Klan Latter day Saints Ministries of His Glory New Testament Christians Open Bible Ministries Penecostals Quakers Reformed Baptists Seventh Day Adventists The Revivalists Unitarians Virgin Mary Fellowship World Baptist Alliance X Yehoists Zions for Jesus Ok so I couldn't find one for "x". But for most letters there are actually far more than just one. I also cheated a bit with the KKK, but let's face it, even that organization is based on religious ideals albeit quite perverted. None the less it's driven by this religion at it's foundation. They don't use a Cross for their symbol for nothing!
Waah! It doesn't mean a thing to me. I still will believe what I want to and what I think is true...unless I am swayed.... I am non-denominational. I look for the truth. Not a particular religious doctrine or sect. No one has to agree with me. |
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I have said I was alive before I was born here on earth. So does the bible The above statement is NOT found in scriptures. Sorry, Iamgeorgiagirl. Also, it is NOWHERE found in scriptures ,that man has a second chance to accept Christ AFTER he dies. So I would suggest to everyone, rather than going by what is always being written on this forum, it is BEST to go check out scriptures for oneself.
Maybe you should reread revelations. I think one could reasonably make a case for second chance based what it says. I second that! |
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MOST of the denominations mostly agree Abra.....except fOr minor differences... but ALL born again christians in any denomination , are able to RECOGNIZE FALSE TEACHERS!!! But the trick is....false teachers will ALWAYS mix in some TRUTH with ERROR... AND UNLESS WE AS BELIEVERS HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT INDWELLING US, TO LEAD AND GUIDE US , WE WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL THE TRUTH FROM A LIE !!!! I believe we have always existed in spirit and will continue to unless we are unforgiven. I believe people who do wrong without remorse will be inhialated after judgement. I beleive Jesus will teach those on the other side in Heaven the word for 10000 years before they are judged just like the bible says. If you don't agree, say you don't, proove it even, but don't tell me I am wrong or accuse me of false teaching or you will piss me off. I have a right to my opinion. I am not a preacher. Thank you in advance! Peace |
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