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Topic: How does one...
creativesoul's photo
Tue 05/12/09 12:37 AM
Separate personal perception from actuality?

Gossipmpm's photo
Tue 05/12/09 03:08 AM
With a good stiff drink!

earthytaurus76's photo
Tue 05/12/09 07:45 AM
Educate myself on fact, and do a daily personal inventory.

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Tue 05/12/09 07:46 AM
perception is reality

ArtGurl's photo
Tue 05/12/09 08:59 AM
First by recognizing that one's perception is just that ... it is 'actuality' as seen through their own fallible filters.

Secondly by sharing experiences with others and noticing the differences between one's perception and another ... through conversation, reading books etc. ... exploring other points of view.

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Tue 05/12/09 12:19 PM
Mathematical models.

creativesoul's photo
Wed 05/13/09 12:57 AM
Edited by creativesoul on Wed 05/13/09 12:58 AM
First by recognizing that one's perception is just that ... it is 'actuality' as seen through their own fallible filters.


flowerforyou

That is what I think holds true. Acknowledgement of the distinction existing between one's perception and that which is being perceived.


Abracadabra's photo
Wed 05/13/09 02:29 AM

Mathematical models.


Truly.

And this brings rise to the very intresting questions, "Do things that cannot be quantified have any actuality at all?"

Are subjective feelings actual. If so, in what sense?

If we fall head-over-heels in love with someone at one point, and then later realized that we had made a huge mistake and the person we thought we were attracted turns out to appear quite obnoxious to us after all.

Then was there every any actuality to our feelings of love in the first place?

I guess this raises the entire question of whether human emotions can have actuality or if they are merely personal perceptions that have no actuality at all.

What is meant by actuality?

What is meant by personal perceptions?

Can there really be a line drawn between these concepts?

In the case of studying the phsyics of the universe I think Jeremy summed it up:

Mathematical models


But in matters of the human experience, what role does actuality play and what role does personal perception play?

Perhaps the latter is more important than the former?

Perhaps personal perception is a human's actuality.


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Wed 05/13/09 02:31 AM
learn psychology and appy it to yourself without bias. "sure this would mean that for everyone else,but im different!" doesnt fly. works for me,but then im a bit more practical and serious than most. possibly because i do this.

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Wed 05/13/09 02:33 AM
or a simpler shorter version,dont tell yourself you are,or your not,something or a way,just becuse you dont want to believe the contrary.why so many people fail to do that is beyond me,its basic.

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Wed 05/13/09 02:38 AM


Mathematical models.


Truly.

And this brings rise to the very intresting questions, "Do things that cannot be quantified have any actuality at all?"

Are subjective feelings actual. If so, in what sense?

If we fall head-over-heels in love with someone at one point, and then later realized that we had made a huge mistake and the person we thought we were attracted turns out to appear quite obnoxious to us after all.

Then was there every any actuality to our feelings of love in the first place?

I guess this raises the entire question of whether human emotions can have actuality or if they are merely personal perceptions that have no actuality at all.

What is meant by actuality?

What is meant by personal perceptions?

Can there really be a line drawn between these concepts?

In the case of studying the phsyics of the universe I think Jeremy summed it up:

Mathematical models


But in matters of the human experience, what role does actuality play and what role does personal perception play?

Perhaps the latter is more important than the former?

Perhaps personal perception is a human's actuality.




two things come to mind,#1 (i think it was-) isenburgs uncertanty principle that,at the very least until we develop technology fare beyond what i expect to happen before we wipe ourselfs out,more or less proves you cant really measure anything exactly,so there cant really be an actuality,atleast in math.
#2 show me an atom of love,a molocule of pride,or an ounce of regret.they dont "really" exist.
but we still experience them,and we still measure stuff,so i think its best not to worry about the particulars and do what you can with what you have. sorry if im rambling,im tired.

ThomasJB's photo
Wed 05/13/09 08:55 AM
Hisenberg's uncertainty principle is at the quantum level and doesn't apply to macro level. We can measure things larger than atoms. Emotions are chemical reactions to stimuli. We are not able to measure them or completely understand them. Most mental illness can be controlled with drugs so I would hypothesis any emotion could be controlled with drugs.

creativesoul's photo
Wed 05/13/09 09:49 AM
Altered... not necessarily controlled.

I see your point though.

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Wed 05/13/09 10:36 AM

With a good stiff drink!


laugh drinker flowerforyou

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 05/13/09 12:48 PM
Proceed based upon personal perception.

When faced with a situation that does not allow you to proceed... Alter you personal perception to include your now changed perspective.

continue to proceed based upon your new personal perception.

Life is a process of growing.

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Wed 05/13/09 01:13 PM
The scientific principles where designed to do just this, separate out perception from reality, and reality from perception.

metalwing's photo
Wed 05/13/09 01:42 PM
Prozac works pretty well.

Abracadabra's photo
Wed 05/13/09 05:41 PM
I just got a new course from The Teaching Company.

It's called "Cosmology: The History and Nature of Our Universe".

It's really a great course. I highly recomend it. It just boggles the mind what we are able to know about the universe in which we live. He covers super-cutting-edge stuff in this course, including Dark Matter, Dark Energy, Inflation Theory, and much more.

He spends four entire lectures on Inflation Theory alone.

It just boggles the mind. The universe is so immensense and seemingly extremely complex, yet simultaneously unbelievably simple!

One of the things that I find truly impressive is that as unbelievably immense as the universe is, it's extremly consistent throughout. In other words, no matter where you go in the entire universe, you'll find the very same physics that you find right here. The physics of the universe is the same throughout in all of the billions upon billions upon billions of galaxies that it contains. Not matter what galaxy you might imagine going to, it would be all that different from right here in the Milky Way.

The universe is EXTREMELY SIMPLE!

It could have been extremely complex!

We could see different kinds of physics in every direction, or at the very least different amounts of chemical elements, etc.

But we don't see that. No matter how far we look, and what direction we look in, the universe is basically the same as it is right here.

That's just amazing, I think.

This also means that there could be, and mostly likely are, other beings out there that are very close to being human-like. Maybe even almost identical. The reason being that DNA forms from the common elements naturally, and if the cosmic soup is the same everywhere, there's really no reason not to expect that similar beings could evolve.

Of course, even life on earth has shown us that DNA is capable of evolving into a truly wide range of life forms. So there's plenty of room for really strange alien beings to evolve as well.


galendgirl's photo
Tue 05/19/09 06:43 PM

perception is reality


For the person who's perception it is...

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Wed 05/20/09 07:27 AM


perception is reality


For the person who's perception it is...
Right and from another view its just a nice imagination.

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