Since 09/11, the world has been made to believe, through the battery of
American, British & western news organisations reports, the GWB is a
perfectly legitimate anti-terrorist crusader.

America was attacked and the Pres was therefore fully entitled to
responf other than dispatching the fleet, sending in the Marines and
flying B-52's into the stratosphere to drop Daisy Cutters.

Bush considers himself all good, and of course Osama is all evil.
According to the US Pres the Al Quaida leader is a dangerous terrorist
and therefore guilty, even though Washington presented the flimsiest
circumstantial evidence as proof to his guilt for 09/11.

Most international jurists are unanimously warning, that the Bush
Administration's onus probandi against Osama and his men will not hold
up in court. Therefore, Washington quickly established military
tribunals, where death sentences can be pronounced in secret, out of
sight of lawful and public scrutiny. i.e. Guantanamo Bay!

At the same time, they are our (Europe's) closest allies. Worse still,
in the words of former Dutch foreign minister Hans van Mierlo, Europe
behaves since 09/11 versus the US "as a well trained little dog that
dutifully follows his owner"

Bush, when he was new to the job, seemed to assume that the US-Arab
relations began on 09/11/02 In reality, Arab objections to American
conduct in foreign affairs in the region originate from that fateful
moment in the world's history, when FDR, Stalin and Winston C. decided
at Yalta on the creation of Israel.

This was meant to be the ultimate redemption for the Nazi death camps.

Err... The Arabs and Palestinians were hardly responsible for that!!!

The state of Israel was established in tandem with Zionist terrorism
against the Palestinians and the Arab world with the US, UK and the West
as a whole looking on in mostly silent approval.

The turning of a US blind eye to many years of Israeli war crimes
against the Palestinians, has not only turned the Middle East into an
anti-American warzone, but has finally resulted in the formation of
Al-Queida.

Washington is looked upon by the majority of a billion muslims from
Morrocco to Pakistan and Indonesia as the arch-enemy.

Americans protect the Israelis no matter what their crimes against the
Arabs are. Israeli military might is paid for, approved and delivered
by Washington.

It is not the first time that a US president has behaved like a war
criminal. FDR rallied Americans for the war against Fascism by
deliberately allowing the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbour. Some 2800
American sailors and military personnel died in Japanese kamikaze raids.
The White House figured it was worth the price in life and limb, since
it would swing American public opinion towards favour in an all-out war
against the Asian powers.

Thomas Flemming came up with this info based on documentary proof
regarding the Pearl Harbour, in his 628 page study "FDR, and the war
within WW2. pub. 2001)

Sounds very similar to the Bush administration. The WTC and Pentagon
disasters justified Americans en masse to approve Bush going to war!

A war that is as illegal then, as it is now!

Thanks;
MR.Belishi, That is so true, And forgot their Terrorist acts against
the Cubans.



Izzy

Yo! Izzy ... hows things?

This was from a book written by a recently departed, but well-respected
Dutch author called Oltmans.

It continues to discuss the Korean/Vietnam conflicts, the outrageous
published atrocities attributed to Western leaders and even Bush
senior/Neocon tale.

u must be talking about george.

Hey Belushi, How are you? and for the other gentleman, USA has been
comiting terrorist acts around the world for many years, I'm a American
and i love this country, But they have.



Izzy

it appears the united states has been under attack from it inseption

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Submitted by PDM, Feb 15, 2006 at 12:51

From AMERICAN SPHINX The Character of Thomas Jefferson by Joseph J.
Ellis

"Several muslim countries along the North African coast had established
the tradition of plundering the ships of European and American merchants
in the western Mediterranean and eastern Atlantic, capturing the crews
and then demanding ransom from the respective governments for their
release. In a joint message to their superiors in Congress, Adams and
Jefferson described the audacity of these terrorist attacks, pirates
leaping onto defenseless ships with daggers clenched in their teeth.
They had asked the ambassador from Tripoli, Adams and Jefferson
explained, on what grounds these outrageous acts of unbridled savagery
could be justified: "The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on
the laws of the prophet, that it was written in their koran, that all
nations who should not have acknowledged their [islams] authority were
sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever
they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as
prisoners...."

This event occured between 1784-1789 while Jefferson was ambassador to
France and Adams (2nd president) was ambassador to England.
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So its popular to be critical of America's foreign policy.

Belushi, you're in a uniform? I would suggest you take it off before
calling your commander in chief a war criminal. Lot of gall there.

I have not heard one of you criticize Russia, or Iran, or Syria, or
anyone else for that matter except the United States. Could it be that
you know nothing of other countries and their actions around the world,
or is it just that you have glommed on to the trendy practice of
criticizing the US and nothing else will do.

As for the creation of Israel after WW2, were you there? Did you get
your information second hand? Did your information come to you via a
biased source? Do you thing there are no biased sources? Do you ever
question other sources outside the present administration?

History is written by people with bias and agendas. The interpretation
of history is largely driven by popular trends. The trends can
wholeheartedly claim that a historical account was invalid and then seek
to rewrite history. I have the opinion that this is a method used to
discredit the United States and that many of you with whining begging
for forgiveness for the United States are simply dupes to the movement.
You seem to think that your positions do not matter or influence others
or even the future of your own country.

So you choose your sources and I'll choose mine. Personally I hold a
high opinion of the country and 100 years from now I would like others
to look back and say the United states tried to do the right things to
make a positive difference in the world. If voices like yours prevail
the only thing said about our country in the future will be that we were
simply evil and selfish. So make a choice, stand up and put a good foot
forward and hold your head up. Make some positive comment and trust that
it will make a positive difference. Heaven knows it will take a lot of
positive voices to drown out such as the comments you have made here.

Perhaps we should hold a war crimes tribunal upon the mount of god in
the holy city.

Who amoung us can set upon the seat of glory and judge the ineguities of
the human past.

What does it matter.

The finding should be...

All crimes committed in the name of the beast of war are forgiven.

go thou and make war no more.

Right, well if everyone would go home afterwards it might work. Have any
real hope everyone would?

I have faith... Hope will follow.

Perhaps not in my time but in the time of my grandchildren?

Then again perhaps if I raise my voice and you yours...?

All things are possible.

Some things happen.

If I do not try I will have wasted my life.

F*CK BUSH!

I'm so tired of hearing bush bashing.....funny he was elected a 2nd term
huh? people who can only say Bush is an idiot, seem like idiots
themselfs. He is the President of this country....and as long as he is,
to disrespect him, is a sign of being nothing but a whiner. We have a
lot of men fighting now in Iraq..for what this administration and
americans believe in whats right... u listen to opinion polls, do you?
lol the majority dont even participate in them... who elects the
officals? the silent majority does, thats who. some idiot says Bush
putting our kids in dangerous areas.... what kids? wheni was 18 I was a
man... my parents couldnt tell me what to do.... this is not Vietnam,
that was a draft time.. and alot men didnt want to go into the
military.... this is Iraq where the soldiers are volenteering to go to
war.... its a volunteer army!!!!!!!!!so lets get real... I admired Tony
Blair!!!!!! I never bad mouthed Clinton, and wow he may have deserved
it. The people who complain and protest now are the same who protest
everything.. professionals..... I am an army Vet and I stand with our
Soldiers and along side need be... How about you?

I am proud to be an American!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by the way redmange...your only 28...U scared to volunteer for your
country and fight?

i'm just curious as to why the extrime muslims have such support
when they come right out and say you are not of allah therefore
we must exturminate you

sounds like they are the warring faction

and as you can see above they been doing it to the united states for as
long as there has been an united states

maybe someone should start bashing them

but hey what do i know

Here we must worry about our own fanatics.

Islam is dealing with these extreame factions of itself and we should
let them do it.

They are slow because they also must first offer the left cheek of
forgivness.

Wont be long before they turn upon those that wish war with decisive
action.

Guys we have enough here to worry about. My state here recently just
delayed an excution of a monster who deserves the electric chair. We
also have 4 deviants waiting on death row who commited henious murders
of three female and one male bank employees and a female customer. These
asshole lowlifes deserve to die the most excrutiating way possable. But
out wonderful left wing liberal state goverment will delay it until
these usless lowlife are old & grey. I say put a bullet in the back of
their usless head just like they did their vics!

"He is the President of this country....and as long as he is,
to disrespect him, is a sign of being nothing but a whiner. We have a
lot of men fighting now in Iraq..for what this administration and
americans believe in whats right".
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Hey, Mr. (Christian)..Do you post this same drivel in all the forums?
Or, are we just blessed??

Bibby I agree! My father served as did I and now my son under this
Commander-In-Chief. He will defend hin because it is his boss and this
is OUR COUNTRY! Not some lowlife terrorist.

Chopper Dan..

Forgive me, I have never found your posts, or ideas, offensive..

I oppose the death penalty. I feel that keeping someone in jail until
they die is much better than murdering them..

And, for all those poised to jump down my throat, (I do not include you,
CD)..

Yes..I have lost loved ones to murder, and, I still oppose the death
penalty..

Scared to volunteer, and fight for your country?

I have one son already, in a stupid war, that has nothing to do with
anything, that touches his young life.

To assist with helping countries ravaged by civil wars, and natural
disasters? Bricks and motar stuff? Build hospitals and schools and
roads, if that is what the country is asking for assistance with?

Sure. I will volunteer alongside my son.

Guns, and tanks, and bombs, and political BS?

Burn in an icy sweat of guilt and nightmares, is what I choose for those
who encourage such crap.


Give me back my son...not even 22, and already done one tour...shame on
any of you that challenge a young person to throw their lives away on
greed and arrogance.

My boy comes home in a box...I will be looking for everyone of you, in
this whole freaking world, who encouraged and supported it.

War is ugly, it is wrong!

And you all feed the machine...with sons like mine.

How dare you!