I agree with the second part, but not so sure about the first. I haven't seen very many Saturns on the road in a while. And for those of you wondering, that is one of the GM divisions I heard was going bye bye too.

yep I heard that too. They announced Hummer was going buhbye too

Not only that, but Saab is evidently going the way of the do-do as well... unless a third party decides to snap the company up.

There's plenty of Saturns in my area.

You don't have to get a corn dog stuck up your ass because you probably bet the piss out of it. I had a Ranger for 185K with NO problems. No warped rotors. The 3.0 WAS lifted off the Taurus BUT I don't blame them for using the 3.0, It's a great motor. PLUS The 3.0 in the Rangers is geared differently for more tq.. Making it more suitable for trucks. Scratch that one off your list.

I don't know about your ranger, but the one my father owned that i got, had stock leaf springs that were dana designed. Dana makes leaf springs for TRUCKS. Not cars. I would presume that one is based on model of the ranger.

And it seems like you know a lot, so you should know why It's a different tranny in a 4.0 than in a 3.0. A transmission isn't a bolt on part. O.o Of course the ranger has its flaws, every vehicle does. How long they last all depends on how you drive it.

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Compact-Pickup-Trucks/
http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/news/ford/ranger/rip.html
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=29489

They all say compact pick-up, even the 3rd one that's a ford site.

Ford was suppose to be selling off volvo as well. Most likely to the same place land rover and jaguar went to when they sold them.

They made a mistake by selling off mazda.

Let us put this into perspective,



1.Everyone wants to make things cheap and disposable. Cars are no longer considered a durable good. Auto manufacturer try hard to make their cars fall apart after a certain amount of time.

2.Everyone makes cars with the LEAST amount of materials and the quality has been lacking. the dollar vs. what you are buying does not coincide either.

3.Consumers wanted beasts instead of economy. Auto makers were in a heated rush to give the consumer what they wanted rather than keep their own survival in mind. They didn't look at trends in other nations. While we made cars (and SUV's) larger and more gas hungry other countries went smaller and more economical.

4.The people running the big three were FAR too interested in profits and not customer satisfaction.

5.Labor unions drove the cost of vehicles (through the cost of labor) higher than the average consumer could afford.

6.(Ties in to number 5.) People could not afford cars bought them on credit. When the cars got repoed the people who lost the car lost the money they spent on it as well as their vehicle.

7.FUEL PRICES!

8.People in general are in deed idiots. None of these jack asses remembered the 1970s. Toyota was scoffed until 1971 after we had a real gas crisis. Nobody forced anyone into buying SUVs and trucks when there was no clear justification for owning one in the first place other than a status symbol.

9.The government actually encouraged the purchase of SUVs and other gas hungry pigs during the same time the same government was blowing smoke up our asses about "going Green" and economy. the consumer is just as much to blame for this problem as the government and the big three.

10.People who hate import cars on the basis of cost, size, "taking away American jobs" are just as ignorant and stupid as the other idiots. Labor Unions and taxation cost Americans their jobs! We drove the cost of operating and the cost of goods way to high ourselves and the imports managed to kill us in our own arena. Did the big three care about becoming more competitive? No! The way the UAW and Teamsters operate do you think they care? Christ no!


I really question human intelligence and I really question how informed people are.

People need to wake the hell up. I did.
I smell coffee!!


...and Bullsh*t!

I've always been a fan of GM, but Pontiac destroyed itself when every model of car they made was based on the Grand am...jmo

I own a Saturn L100 Series and it is so difficult to get parts for!

I have a 98 pontiac gran prix, owned it since Dec99. bought it used. Now has 106,000 on it no rust, runs great handles well,interior is in great shape no rips tears of cig burns. The only thing I have had to replace are the rotors and pads, 1 wiper ( meter maid broke it). plugs oil filters, tires as needed. still has orginal exhaust even. for me this car has been one of the best I have ever owned.


I liked the car from day 1. My ex and I were together when I bought it, since she left ( divorce) she has been through 6 different brands of cars.


oh btw saab is next , then Saturn. Hummer ? the private sector may go quicker.

There goes my dreams of buying a Trans Am

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh but I like the PT Cruisers humm what am I going to do if something happens to mine hell I like my car shshs

A long long time ago
I can still remember how that music used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make those people dance
And maybe they'd be happy for a while.

But February made me shiver
With every paper I'd deliver
Bad news on the doorstep
I couldn't take one more step

I can't remember if I cried
When I read about his widowed bride
But something touched me deep inside
The day the music died

So
{Refrain}
Bye-bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my (((((PONTIAC))))to the levee
But the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
Singin' this'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die

Did you write the Book of Love
And do you have faith in God above
If the Bible tells you so
Do you believe in rock 'n roll
Can music save your mortal soul
And can you teach me how to dance real slow

Well, I know that you're in love with him
'Cause I saw you dancin' in the gym
You both kicked off your shoes
Man, I dig those rhythm and blues

I was a lonely teenage broncin' buck
With a pink carnation and a pickup truck
But I knew I was out of luck
The day the music died

I started singin'
{Refrain}

Now for ten years we've been on our own
And moss grows fat on a rollin' stone
But that's not how it used to be
When the jester sang for the King and Queen
In a coat he borrowed from James Dean
And a voice that came from you and me

Oh, and while the King was looking down
The jester stole his thorny crown
The courtroom was adjourned
No verdict was returned
And while Lennon [Lenin?] read a book of Marx
The quartet practiced in the park
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day the music died

We were singing
{Refrain}

Helter Skelter in a summer swelter
The Byrds flew off with a fallout shelter
Eight miles high and falling fast
It landed foul out on the grass
The players tried for a forward pass
With the jester on the sidelines in a cast

Now the half-time air was sweet perfume
While the Sergeants played a marching tune
We all got up to dance
Oh, but we never got the chance
'Cause the players tried to take the field
The marching band refused to yield
Do you recall what was revealed
The day the music died

We started singing
{Refrain}

Oh, and there we were all in one place
A generation Lost in Space
With no time left to start again
So come on, Jack be nimble, Jack be quick
Jack Flash sat on a candlestick
'Cause fire is the Devil's only friend

Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage
No angel born in hell
Could break that Satan's spell
And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrifical rite
I saw Satan laughing with delight
The day the music died

He was singing
{Refrain}

I met a girl who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news
But she just smiled and turned away
I went down to the sacred store
Where I'd heard the music years before
But the man there said the music woudn't play

And in the streets the children screamed
The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The church bells all were broken
And the three men I admire most
The Father, Son and the Holy Ghost
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the music died

And they were singing
{Refrain}

They were singing bye-bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my (((((((PONTIAC)))))) to the levee
But the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singin' this'll be the day that I die


Goodbye Pontiac! You served this nation well!

Ehh, every vehicle has its ups and downs.

Mistake for them. Maybe now Mazda can bring back one of the baddest cars of all time - the RX-7

R.I.P. Trans Am.

i WISH. Hah. I doubt It'd ever happen though. FYI, Mazda came up with the rx-7 with one of the head designers of ford. =p

"...Wish a Ford and a Chevy would still last ten years like they should..." None of them are nearly the product they are supposed to be.

I heard brief talk about it one point in the past, but it was just talk. I'm not trying to argue any point with anybody. I'll admit I don't keep up with that stuff enough anymore to know anymore than the next guy. Whoever came up with it, I think Mazda should be able to keep the name and remarket the car. If they took the Renesis motor and turbo charged it and put it in a car as small as the RX-7 is....ooooooh buddy!!!!! I think I need to go change my underwear.