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How does it feel for you personally to pay taxes?
Are you okay with it Do you think it is unfair how they tax you Do you think the money is not going to the right programs Tell me how you feel about it and what would you do if you had the power concerning taxes. Oh Good Morning by the way 
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hi,
well, i don't mind paying taxes, thinking of the benefits the whole community gets, i don't know about other countries, but in Australia, i was paying taxes for 5/6 years, then i had to come back to school to finish my degree and i had no financial problems while i was studying, and when people are in between jobs and stuff, they are compensated well....apart from all this, government is doing its best and spending on all the right things to cope up with recessions.... paying taxes was worth it.... and will keep supporting my community this way... cheerz |
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hi, well, i don't mind paying taxes, thinking of the benefits the whole community gets, i don't know about other countries, but in Australia, i was paying taxes for 5/6 years, then i had to come back to school to finish my degree and i had no financial problems while i was studying, and when people are in between jobs and stuff, they are compensated well....apart from all this, government is doing its best and spending on all the right things to cope up with recessions.... paying taxes was worth it.... and will keep supporting my community this way... cheerz Australia is a beautiful country. I have been to Perth once and enjoyed my stay very much. I am sure this country is doing more justice with the tax money then many other countries around the world. Perhaps some countries should use that example to try to improve their situations. |
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I don't mind paying taxes. However, I do feel that there are far too many loopholes to get out of paying taxes and that the poor and middle class pay a more disproportionate share of taxes than the rich and large corporations.
Also, I think the government needs to use a whole lot more common sense in how they spend the money. It's better, as a whole, but there are a lot of government-funded "projects" that make me say "WTF". And when you see the government spending of say $1/pencil (I made that up btw, just trying to come up with an example), it really irritates me 
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State taxes are nessessary but out of control.
Federal tax on wages is unconstitutional and goes only one place.... back to the private federal reserve bankers as interest on the national debt.... interest paid on borrowing our own money! It does not "fund" anything! The Constitution taxes "corporations" to fund federal government, not the people! Few know that a law was passed (through lobbying by large corporations) that allowed corporations the status of "individual", under definition, a "person", to avoid "corporate taxation"! As a result, we have outsourcing of jobs, fewer penalties and laws, less accountability and practiclly no oversight of their actions. I believe a federal tax, under the constitution, on corporations, AS A BUSINESS, is all that is needed to actually fund "federal government". They also receive taxes from the individual states as well, so for you and me, as workers receiving "wages", to pay a federal tax IS WRONG, AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL! We are paying the same tax twice! Through our individual states and through a tax on our wages. |
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I don't mind paying taxes. However, I do feel that there are far too many loopholes to get out of paying taxes and that the poor and middle class pay a more disproportionate share of taxes than the rich and large corporations. Also, I think the government needs to use a whole lot more common sense in how they spend the money. It's better, as a whole, but there are a lot of government-funded "projects" that make me say "WTF". And when you see the government spending of say $1/pencil (I made that up btw, just trying to come up with an example), it really irritates me
I understand fully that feeling.
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State taxes are nessessary but out of control. Federal tax on wages is unconstitutional and goes only one place.... back to the private federal reserve bankers as interest on the national debt.... interest paid on borrowing our own money! It does not "fund" anything! The Constitution taxes "corporations" to fund federal government, not the people! Few know that a law was passed (through lobbying by large corporations) that allowed corporations the status of "individual", under definition, a "person", to avoid "corporate taxation"! As a result, we have outsourcing of jobs, fewer penalties and laws, less accountability and practiclly no oversight of their actions. I believe a federal tax, under the constitution, on corporations, AS A BUSINESS, is all that is needed to actually fund "federal government". They also receive taxes from the individual states as well, so for you and me, as workers receiving "wages", to pay a federal tax IS WRONG, AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL! We are paying the same tax twice! Through our individual states and through a tax on our wages. Well at least you are educating us on this. To bad "we as the people" can change some of these laws to have more justice concerning paying taxes. and if the people can change it then what are they waiting for? |
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Well at least you are educating us on this. To bad "we as the people" can change some of these laws to have more justice concerning paying taxes. and if the people can change it then what are they waiting for? Unfortunately, most people are too apathetic. |
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Edited by
AGoodGuy1026
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Mon 04/27/09 06:59 AM
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I hate to be devil's advocate, but the sections in question of law that are applicable seem to say otherwise
From the irs.gov web site "FACTS A taxpayer who is either a citizen or resident of the United States files a return excluding income received from U.S. sources, claiming that the income is not subject to tax because sections 861 through 865 purportedly provide that only certain foreign source income is subject to tax. LAW AND ANALYSIS Sections 861 through 865 do not limit gross income subject to United States taxation to foreign-source income. In Notice 2001-40, 2001-1 C.B. 1355, the Service advised taxpayers that it considers the Section 861 position to be a frivolous position. Courts repeatedly have rejected this and similar arguments as frivolous, and have penalized taxpayers who make these types of arguments. See, e.g., Takaba v. Commissioner, 119 T.C. 285 (2002) (concluding that “[t]he 861 argument is frivolous” and sanctioning both the taxpayer and his attorney for making such frivolous arguments); Madge v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 2000-370 (concluding that the argument that only foreign income is taxable is frivolous). For more information, please see Notice 2001-40. Notice 2001-40 and other information on frivolous tax positions are available on the Service website at www.irs.gov." The bottom line, some people try to claim that income made inside the US is not taxable, but foreign monies are... no so much about "Corporations" and "Individuals". I'm not a strickt conservative, but I do like facts.... |
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I hate to be devil's advocate, but the sections in question of law that are applicable seem to say otherwise From the irs.gov web site "FACTS A taxpayer who is either a citizen or resident of the United States files a return excluding income received from U.S. sources, claiming that the income is not subject to tax because sections 861 through 865 purportedly provide that only certain foreign source income is subject to tax. LAW AND ANALYSIS Sections 861 through 865 do not limit gross income subject to United States taxation to foreign-source income. In Notice 2001-40, 2001-1 C.B. 1355, the Service advised taxpayers that it considers the Section 861 position to be a frivolous position. Courts repeatedly have rejected this and similar arguments as frivolous, and have penalized taxpayers who make these types of arguments. See, e.g., Takaba v. Commissioner, 119 T.C. 285 (2002) (concluding that “[t]he 861 argument is frivolous” and sanctioning both the taxpayer and his attorney for making such frivolous arguments); Madge v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 2000-370 (concluding that the argument that only foreign income is taxable is frivolous). For more information, please see Notice 2001-40. Notice 2001-40 and other information on frivolous tax positions are available on the Service website at www.irs.gov." The bottom line, some people try to claim that income made inside the US is not taxable, but foreign monies are... no so much about "Corporations" and "Individuals". I'm not a strickt conservative, but I do like facts.... Well there you go. More information I bet alot of people didn't know.
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I hate to be devil's advocate, but the sections in question of law that are applicable seem to say otherwise From the irs.gov web site "FACTS A taxpayer who is either a citizen or resident of the United States files a return excluding income received from U.S. sources, claiming that the income is not subject to tax because sections 861 through 865 purportedly provide that only certain foreign source income is subject to tax. LAW AND ANALYSIS Sections 861 through 865 do not limit gross income subject to United States taxation to foreign-source income. In Notice 2001-40, 2001-1 C.B. 1355, the Service advised taxpayers that it considers the Section 861 position to be a frivolous position. Courts repeatedly have rejected this and similar arguments as frivolous, and have penalized taxpayers who make these types of arguments. See, e.g., Takaba v. Commissioner, 119 T.C. 285 (2002) (concluding that “[t]he 861 argument is frivolous” and sanctioning both the taxpayer and his attorney for making such frivolous arguments); Madge v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 2000-370 (concluding that the argument that only foreign income is taxable is frivolous). For more information, please see Notice 2001-40. Notice 2001-40 and other information on frivolous tax positions are available on the Service website at www.irs.gov." The bottom line, some people try to claim that income made inside the US is not taxable, but foreign monies are... no so much about "Corporations" and "Individuals". I'm not a strickt conservative, but I do like facts.... The 16th amendment to the Constitution says "NO NEW TAX!" The income tax bill was never radified by Congress, not then, not now! Twice it was denied as "unconstitutional"! Remember, this is the government we are talking about! The IRS and the Federal Reserve are neither one "government agencies". They are privately owned and operated! If you have a high speed connection go here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173 |
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Well at least you are educating us on this. To bad "we as the people" can change some of these laws to have more justice concerning paying taxes. and if the people can change it then what are they waiting for? Unfortunately, most people are too apathetic. You right on the apathy. Include also, the BHOBNers who are so far up there, they can't see light or hear the music. They believe everything the messiah, BHO, says is pure gospel. I can see paying a tax to help support Gov. 10%. Exempt those earning less than $14,000 a year. Get rid of earned income credit and rethink deductions the rich can take. If those in Gov. say they can't work with that, expect their resignation and get ones that can. |
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Edited by
AGoodGuy1026
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Mon 04/27/09 08:18 AM
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Sojo...
I understand your points, but I must respectfully disagree... The IRS is a U.S. Department, under the US Department of the treasury.... A brief history, taken from the U.S. Treasury web page... http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/taxes/ustax.shtml |
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Sojo... I understand your points, but I must respectfully disagree... The IRS is a U.S. Department, under the US Department of the treasury.... A brief history, taken from the U.S. Treasury web page... http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/taxes/ustax.shtml Watch my video as well. The "Income Tax" enforced by the IRS was not "apportioned" under Congress. I'm not a lawyer or a politician, but I too like facts. The video explains it better than I ever could. Everyone needs to watch this video! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173 Form your own opinion, do your own research. To make change we need to get involved! That's the only way change will happen, not by letting the government, or your politicians, decide for you! |
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Just to add a bit of fuel for the fire...
You don't like having the things that federal government dollars provide? P.S. I work for the government ROLFMAO - so keep paying your taxes so I can keep my job! |
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Sojo... I understand your points, but I must respectfully disagree... The IRS is a U.S. Department, under the US Department of the treasury.... A brief history, taken from the U.S. Treasury web page... http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/taxes/ustax.shtml Watch my video as well. The "Income Tax" enforced by the IRS was not "apportioned" under Congress. I'm not a lawyer or a politician, but I too like facts. The video explains it better than I ever could. Everyone needs to watch this video! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173 Form your own opinion, do your own research. To make change we need to get involved! That's the only way change will happen, not by letting the government, or your politicians, decide for you! Well, just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true The IRS is a government entity. I know many wish it wasn't, it would make those ridiculous lawsuits have some standing, all of which have been thrown out of court. Just because we WANT something to be true doesn't make it so. So, instead of trying to wish it away, people could try working together to make some meaningful changes to our tax code and the IRS itself.
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Sojo... I understand your points, but I must respectfully disagree... The IRS is a U.S. Department, under the US Department of the treasury.... A brief history, taken from the U.S. Treasury web page... http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/taxes/ustax.shtml Watch my video as well. The "Income Tax" enforced by the IRS was not "apportioned" under Congress. I'm not a lawyer or a politician, but I too like facts. The video explains it better than I ever could. Everyone needs to watch this video! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173 Form your own opinion, do your own research. To make change we need to get involved! That's the only way change will happen, not by letting the government, or your politicians, decide for you! Well, just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true The IRS is a government entity. I know many wish it wasn't, it would make those ridiculous lawsuits have some standing, all of which have been thrown out of court. Just because we WANT something to be true doesn't make it so. So, instead of trying to wish it away, people could try working together to make some meaningful changes to our tax code and the IRS itself.
The Constitution, Bill Of Rights, and Declaration Of Indepenence are all "online" too. Watch the video! |
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The Constitution, Bill Of Rights, and Declaration Of Indepenence are all "online" too. Watch the video! I don't believe I need to watch any video, I work in law and my thoughts are that if any of this was truly illegal or unconstitutional, it would have been struck down, very loudly and publicly, long before now. Conspiracy theories do not interest me. We are stuck with what we are stuck with, that is the reality. I (and most people) don't have the luxury of living in a world that exists the way I think it should be. All we CAN do is try to change what already exists to something that works better and more fairly. Unfortunately, nothing is ever 100% fair to everyone all the time. But, I think it is possible to make changes that would make things better and more fair for most people most of the time.
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The same people that complain about our President or say the war in Iraq was not needed are the same people that preach the Constitution or their freedom of speech.
The soldiers men and women that died for our freedom and rights we have today are the offspring of those who fought in WWI or WWII or Nam . |
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