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lol smiles...it's your thread here...we can talk about whatever you want. we can turn this into a wild west thread and still talking about the alamo No Billy the Kid is fine. I had enough of the Alamo. Watched a movie on it, had many different sides of the stories told to me, and now I am interested in a young looking outlaw that looks like a kid. lol I also still have to read the thread you offered on yellowrose that female gunslinger I believe it is?? but tommorow. I am tired! See you tommorow for another round of texas hold'em 
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lol smiles..read this tomorrow.
no yellowrose was a gun slinger by any means. she was a slave captured by santa ana but help the texans. most people for a long time thought the yellowrose was santa ana's whore. i even had someone email me once here asking why i would want to go by a whore....told the idiot to read up on it. now for Billy the Kid.....people once thought he was a left handed gun slinger because of the pic of him. they found out in the 60's that the pic was a tin type and reversed the real image |
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Edited by
quiet_2008
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Tue 04/21/09 06:31 AM
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the alamo flag. the 1824 referes to the Mexican Constitution of 1824 which the Texans felt Santa Anna violated by making himself Emperor
the Texas Colonisits were also disgruntled over being forced to conveert to Catholocism. Protestant preachers caught in the territory of Texas were arrested and taken to Mexico City Stephen Austin journeyed to Mexico City to protest Santa Anna's breaking of their treaty and Constitution. Santa Anna threw him in prison where he caght malaria |
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Edited by
smiless
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Tue 04/21/09 06:36 AM
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Yes that can be very disturbing if one is forced to convert to a religion that they didn't want to convert to. The Spanish as of the Mexican's where very strict on this claiming Catholiscm is the only way to go. I know this from European history.
I also heard there was confrontation about slavery. The Mexican's didn't allow it as the Texans owned slave labors. What did the treaty entail that Santa Ana broke? Is there a copy to see what the treaty was all about? |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_1824
I don't know much about the slavery angle. My feeling is that the Texans didnt have many slaves cause they didnt have much money another name to research is Juan Seguin. He was the leader of the Mexican/Texans |
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wikipedia isnt that good of a source (sometimes biased) but you can get a good overview from it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_1824 I don't know much about the slavery angle. My feeling is that the Texans didnt have many slaves cause they didnt have much money another name to research is Juan Seguin. He was the leader of the Mexican/Texans The article is interesting, which leads to another question. It states: Under this constitution, American and European settlers were drawn to Mexican Texas by its broad promises of freedom. Didn't Americans and Europeans settlers at the time not have their freedoms in the US states at the time already? Did the constitition of mexico offer something the United States Constitition didn't that drew the settlers to move to Texas? |
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they were offered pretty much an equivalant freedom. snd that was what was rescinded by Santa Anna
by the way there was a large colony from Germany in Texas at the time. Thet settled originally in the Corpus Christi area but they didn't like the humid climate so they moved further inland and now populate the "hill country" between Austin and San Antonio. Oktoberfest is a big deal in Texas |
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Read "The book of Texas". Mexicans and Americans shared the land and played well together. Then Santa Ana wanted to claim it for Mexico...basically for himself.
My GG grandfather was the first president of the Republic of Texas (NOT Sam Houston) and knew Travis and the rest of them that died at the Alamo although he wasn't there. So I've read a lot on it. The best historical information is The Book Of Texas. |
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Edited by
FreeToB
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Tue 04/21/09 07:19 AM
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they were offered pretty much an equivalant freedom. snd that was what was rescinded by Santa Anna by the way there was a large colony from Germany in Texas at the time. Thet settled originally in the Corpus Christi area but they didn't like the humid climate so they moved further inland and now populate the "hill country" between Austin and San Antonio. Oktoberfest is a big deal in Texas The "Hill country" is still a great place to party. Austin may be my favorite city (favorite people) in the entire US. Even without Hippy Hollow. |
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they were offered pretty much an equivalant freedom. snd that was what was rescinded by Santa Anna by the way there was a large colony from Germany in Texas at the time. Thet settled originally in the Corpus Christi area but they didn't like the humid climate so they moved further inland and now populate the "hill country" between Austin and San Antonio. Oktoberfest is a big deal in Texas Germans where on all corners of this planet. I wouldn't be surprised if many settled in Texas to.
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Edited by
smiless
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Tue 04/21/09 07:26 AM
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Read "The book of Texas". Mexicans and Americans shared the land and played well together. Then Santa Ana wanted to claim it for Mexico...basically for himself. My GG grandfather was the first president of the Republic of Texas (NOT Sam Houston) and knew Travis and the rest of them that died at the Alamo although he wasn't there. So I've read a lot on it. The best historical information is The Book Of Texas. Now that must be amazing to know that you have family members that went through this part of history let alone having a great great grandfather who was the president of the Republic of Texas. Thank you for the advice on the book. I am going to go look for it now on Amazon.com How do you feel about a independent Texas again or do you think that is a bad move? I ask for it was a topic on another thread with mixed emotions on it. |
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A lot of radical Mexicans, Hispanic Extremists and Illegals are calling for the taking back of land they claim was stolen by Texas and the US. They already have a name for it and have divided the States. Aztlan. These are older maps. You can imagine how much larger the population is now. 
Yeah? Ever seen a successful anything run by Mexicans that did NOT include chopping heads off with machetes and management by brute force? We should finish where we left off and annex Mexico while we still have a border. |
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Edited by
FreeToB
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Tue 04/21/09 07:48 AM
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Read "The book of Texas". Mexicans and Americans shared the land and played well together. Then Santa Ana wanted to claim it for Mexico...basically for himself. My GG grandfather was the first president of the Republic of Texas (NOT Sam Houston) and knew Travis and the rest of them that died at the Alamo although he wasn't there. So I've read a lot on it. The best historical information is The Book Of Texas. Now that must be amazing to know that you have family members that went through this part of history let alone having a great great grandfather who was the president of the Republic of Texas. Thank you for the advice on the book. I am going to go look for it now on Amazon.com How do you feel about a independent Texas again or do you think that is a bad move? I ask for it was a topic on another thread with mixed emotions on it. I don't think any state can or should be independent of America. Most Texans feel the same way. I do not like the way the country is going towards liberalism and political correctness over common sense and staying strong. (Can ya tell?) The world is not run on butterfly kisses with our enemies. Texans understood that. Perhaps our president should read some Texas (and US) history and remember that the weak fall under the strong. My GG grandfather (David G. Burnet) was not well thought of by a lot of Texans and is nearly written out of the revisionist history that's taught for the sake of political correctness today. But his portrait is the first one you see when you walk through the main doors of the capital building in Austin. He sacrificed all he had for a strong republic that stood for the people. Actually, just a side note, he was a wealthy man but bought slaves and set them free with his entire fortune and died a pauper. I just thought of this. I should get some reparations!!! |
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who cares?
just like slavery happened so long ago doesn't matter except to a few nutcases LOL |
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Read "The book of Texas". Mexicans and Americans shared the land and played well together. Then Santa Ana wanted to claim it for Mexico...basically for himself. My GG grandfather was the first president of the Republic of Texas (NOT Sam Houston) and knew Travis and the rest of them that died at the Alamo although he wasn't there. So I've read a lot on it. The best historical information is The Book Of Texas. Now that must be amazing to know that you have family members that went through this part of history let alone having a great great grandfather who was the president of the Republic of Texas. Thank you for the advice on the book. I am going to go look for it now on Amazon.com How do you feel about a independent Texas again or do you think that is a bad move? I ask for it was a topic on another thread with mixed emotions on it. I don't think any state can or should be independent of America. Most Texans feel the same way. I do not like the way the country is going towards liberalism and political correctness over common sense and staying strong. (Can ya tell?) The world is not run on butterfly kisses with our enemies. Texans understood that. Perhaps our president should read some Texas (and US) history and remember that the weak fall under the strong. My GG grandfather (David G. Burnet) was not well thought of by a lot of Texans and is nearly written out of the revisionist history that's taught for the sake of political correctness today. But his portrait is the first one you see when you walk through the main doors of the capital building in Austin. He sacrificed all he had for a strong republic that stood for the people. Actually, just a side note, he was a wealthy man but bought slaves and set them free with his entire fortune and died a pauper. I just thought of this. I should get some reparations!!! wow amazing history and something to be proud of. Yes I think a few history lesson from Texas wouldn't hurt some politicians to see what this country had endured at the time. I will check out the book and thank you for taking out your time on this subject. Don't hesitate to share more of your wisdom when you can on the history of the United States, especially in the time of the wild west period. |
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Well at the end there are many opinions on that war that is for sure. What is right or wrong really depends how you see it. I am sure Mexicans who have families that experienced these times had different views on this piece of land. Some were rebels fighting with the Texans and some were fighting against the Texans for a different idealogy. Then we have the Natives who only shake their head at the whole thing 
Those long articles I posted concerning the Mexican wars in this thread are interesting to read for they were written by historians and writers that specialize on the subject. How much validality they have is for you to decide. Have a great night and keep your holsters secure. I will be back asking more questions about the wild wild west
There were hardly any Mexicans in Texas! That;s why Spain tried to get Americans to settle there. Plus Mexico didnt exist until 1821! Natives, smatives! You snooze you lose! Their complacency set their fate and as a result they were conquered! There were two wars! The Texas Revolution and then years later the Mexican/American war! They were not the same! |
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natives?
there were the Karankawas (cannibals) and the Comanche, who were so vicious that the Apache fled into the mountains of New Mexico to get away from them |
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Read "The book of Texas". Mexicans and Americans shared the land and played well together. Then Santa Ana wanted to claim it for Mexico...basically for himself. My GG grandfather was the first president of the Republic of Texas (NOT Sam Houston) and knew Travis and the rest of them that died at the Alamo although he wasn't there. So I've read a lot on it. The best historical information is The Book Of Texas. who was your GG grandfather? that is interesting |
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found something from the sons of the south on the presidents of the reublic of texas
i didn't realize there were this may (still just a few though) Sam Houston - 1836 M.B. Lamar - 1838 Sam Houston - 1841 Anson Jones - 1844 http://www.sonofthesouth.net/texas/presidents-republic-texas.htm |
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