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Topic: The ‘war on drugs’ is a war on you
Lynann's photo
Tue 04/07/09 10:56 AM
The war on drugs and groups like mothers against drunk driving are not much different from Temperance advocate Carrie Nation with her Bible and her hatchet.

It's a losing war.

Myself...I stopped smoking dope many years ago but I bought some a few weeks ago. You see...my father has stage four prostate cancer that has matasticized to his bones and macular degeneration. He is 6'4" and weighs just 134lbs. He couldn't eat and is in incredible pain. My sate has now passed a medical marijuana law but the nuts and bolts of it aren't worked out.

So there I was, driving down the road with some pretty nice skunky bud in my car thinking...wouldn't it be interesting if I was pulled over right now? I could see it..."You see judge, I grew tired of watching my father slowly starving and dying in pain."

Sorry...rambling...I have too much on my mind.

adj4u's photo
Tue 04/07/09 10:58 AM
oh mothers against drunk driving

the group that had an high power member get a dui

that sorta says it all

franshade's photo
Tue 04/07/09 11:30 AM
Edited by franshade on Tue 04/07/09 11:30 AM

The war on drugs and groups like mothers against drunk driving are not much different from Temperance advocate Carrie Nation with her Bible and her hatchet.

It's a losing war.

Myself...I stopped smoking dope many years ago but I bought some a few weeks ago. You see...my father has stage four prostate cancer that has matasticized to his bones and macular degeneration. He is 6'4" and weighs just 134lbs. He couldn't eat and is in incredible pain. My sate has now passed a medical marijuana law but the nuts and bolts of it aren't worked out.

So there I was, driving down the road with some pretty nice skunky bud in my car thinking...wouldn't it be interesting if I was pulled over right now? I could see it..."You see judge, I grew tired of watching my father slowly starving and dying in pain."

Sorry...rambling...I have too much on my mind.


offtopic Lynann just expressing my sympathies, must be so hard to see someone go thru that brokenheart

MirrorMirror's photo
Tue 04/07/09 11:36 AM

The ‘war on drugs’ is a war on you

Michael Boldin
Online Journal
Tuesday, April 7, 2009

The drug war is based on a repugnant assertion that you do not have ownership over your own body; that you don’t have the right to decide what you’ll do with your body, with your property and with your life. The position of the drug warriors is that you should be in jail if you decide to do something with your body that they don’t approve of.

This is an abomination of everything that America is supposed to stand for. As long as this country continues the drug war, you are not free. At the root, then, those that force the drug war on you are enemies to your freedom.

If you are concerned at all about liberty, the economy, the Constitution and the power of the federal government, you cannot ignore the US government’s longest and most costly “war” — the War on Drugs.

But no matter how long it lasts, how much is costs, how many lives are disrupted, and how much it fails, the war rages on.

Why? Well, because federal “authorities” don’t care what your local laws are, they don’t care what your personal choices are, and they don’t care what reason you have for your choices.

All they care about is their own power. Period.

In this ongoing drug war, you are always treated as a suspect and your neighborhood is much less safe. You are searched at airports and your bank accounts are spied on. While drug users who are no physical threat to anyone but themselves are put in jail, the prisons become more and more overcrowded, resulting in the early release of violent criminals on a regular basis.

If you love your freedom and you want your city to be safer, this psychotic war on drugs must be ended — now.

Understandably, many Americans are afraid that ending the drug war will result in countless drug addicts, including children. In reality, though, that’s just what we have now!

On top of it, we generally don’t even consider the people who are addicted to federally-approved drugs to be drug addicts. According to a 2004 CDC report, almost one-half of Americans use at least one prescription drug. It should be obvious, then, that the drug war has done nothing to reduce Americans’ use of drugs - it’s simply to control which drugs people use, and who can make a profit from them.

So what’s really going to be different? Can our nation’s addiction to drug use get any worse? It’s doubtful that legalizing all drugs could make things any worse, but even if it does, then so be it.

People will always do plenty of things that are bad for them, and there’s no reason to put them in prison for it. Think about all the things that you do which are bad for your own health and well-being - should the government outlaw those too?

People eat too much fast food and they forget to floss every day. They watch too much TV and they don’t count their calories. They stay up too late and they spend too much. And, guess what else? People swallow, snort, shoot and smoke drugs that are both legal and illegal and it’s not going to stop. A free society just wouldn’t force you, under the threat of punishment, to be “good” to yourself all the time. That was the job of your parents, unless, of course, you want the feds to be your new “daddy.”

In all seriousness, though, if we are ever going to have a nation that respects the Bill of Rights, of which the Ninth and Tenth Amendments may be the most important, the DEA and the entire drug war must be eliminated.

If not, what’s going to be next? Orwellian telescreens in our homes and a state-mandated morning exercise routine? That would most assuredly keep the cost down on the coming national healthcare system.

Won’t that be nice?

Every day that the war on drugs continues is another day of injustice; another day of spending countless billions to lock people up that don’t behave the way the bureaucrats want them to behave.

It’s time to bring this multi-billion dollar attack on your liberty to an end.





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MirrorMirror's photo
Tue 04/07/09 11:40 AM
:banana: :banana: I think you got another hit thread Warmachine:banana: :banana:

Winx's photo
Tue 04/07/09 12:29 PM



Aren't we about to receive some "government" health care?

Could you not fund said health care with a 10% tax on Weed?

Rehab paid for.


Rehab is expensive and long term.



Says who?

A.A. is free and as for the long term, that depends on the person. I was a heavy drinker when I was younger, all it takes is to make the decision that you're done with it and have the fortitude to follow through. Thats what I did. Now is that going to work for everyone? No, however, the idea that you'll need some expensive, longterm care to "cure" the addict is misleading at best.


Four weeks or more of rehab gives the addict a good foundation. Some addicts need longer. Cognitive therapy works for some and the 12-step program works for others. Rehabs teach the addicts living skills, coping skills, and more. They receive counseling. Recovery is hard work. They learn to get rid of their addict behavior. AA and/or NA, alone, may help some but not all.




Winx's photo
Tue 04/07/09 12:33 PM

The war on drugs and groups like mothers against drunk driving are not much different from Temperance advocate Carrie Nation with her Bible and her hatchet.

It's a losing war.

Myself...I stopped smoking dope many years ago but I bought some a few weeks ago. You see...my father has stage four prostate cancer that has matasticized to his bones and macular degeneration. He is 6'4" and weighs just 134lbs. He couldn't eat and is in incredible pain. My sate has now passed a medical marijuana law but the nuts and bolts of it aren't worked out.

So there I was, driving down the road with some pretty nice skunky bud in my car thinking...wouldn't it be interesting if I was pulled over right now? I could see it..."You see judge, I grew tired of watching my father slowly starving and dying in pain."

Sorry...rambling...I have too much on my mind.


(((Lyann)))flowerforyou

I hope they work the nuts and bolts out soon.flowerforyou

Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 04/07/09 02:49 PM

you can't compare driving a car to drug use - drug use is mind altering and more often than not, will lead to crime. absolutely nothing good comes from drug use, it's a form of suicide, and it destroys everyone around the user. what is sad is that someone makes the choice to do this to themselves and everyone else pays the price. be it legalized or not, prescribed presciption abuse, etc., there will always be people that need the escape and until they find a way to cope without drugs, we, as a society, need to try to at least try to make it difficult for it to continue. let the war rage on.


People will never learn if they are never shown. Let us educate the masses and let them make their own decisions. The consequences of these decisions must fall on those responsible, not those who have nothing to do with it.

The government is, by gun point, stealing my money to fund a war on drugs. My family has no problems with drugs. My friends have no problems with drugs. I say let the drug addicts fund themselves. They can barter for rehab care, offer labor to work off expenses, you can start fund raisers if you want, or they can let themselves die from overuse or misuse. Would only be my problem if i misused drugs. And then, i would expect society to make me pay for my mistakes and seek rehab. I would not expect anyone to rob you of any money.

Maybe i just had the rough life experience of my parents teaching me responsibility... Don't know.

Drug addiction is a choice. 99.9% of the time you have to repeatedly use it on a regular basis before your body becomes addicted. (There are exceptions such as heroine.)

Winx's photo
Tue 04/07/09 02:52 PM
Edited by Winx on Tue 04/07/09 02:53 PM


you can't compare driving a car to drug use - drug use is mind altering and more often than not, will lead to crime. absolutely nothing good comes from drug use, it's a form of suicide, and it destroys everyone around the user. what is sad is that someone makes the choice to do this to themselves and everyone else pays the price. be it legalized or not, prescribed presciption abuse, etc., there will always be people that need the escape and until they find a way to cope without drugs, we, as a society, need to try to at least try to make it difficult for it to continue. let the war rage on.


People will never learn if they are never shown. Let us educate the masses and let them make their own decisions. The consequences of these decisions must fall on those responsible, not those who have nothing to do with it.

The government is, by gun point, stealing my money to fund a war on drugs. My family has no problems with drugs. My friends have no problems with drugs. I say let the drug addicts fund themselves. They can barter for rehab care, offer labor to work off expenses, you can start fund raisers if you want, or they can let themselves die from overuse or misuse. Would only be my problem if i misused drugs. And then, i would expect society to make me pay for my mistakes and seek rehab. I would not expect anyone to rob you of any money.

Maybe i just had the rough life experience of my parents teaching me responsibility... Don't know.

Drug addiction is a choice. 99.9% of the time you have to repeatedly use it on a regular basis before your body becomes addicted. (There are exceptions such as heroine.)


Then your friends that use drugs don't have the disease of addiction.

Fund it themselves? With what means?

They have parents and are parents. They do die.

I am very much against what you just said.


willing2's photo
Tue 04/07/09 03:24 PM


you can't compare driving a car to drug use - drug use is mind altering and more often than not, will lead to crime. absolutely nothing good comes from drug use, it's a form of suicide, and it destroys everyone around the user. what is sad is that someone makes the choice to do this to themselves and everyone else pays the price. be it legalized or not, prescribed presciption abuse, etc., there will always be people that need the escape and until they find a way to cope without drugs, we, as a society, need to try to at least try to make it difficult for it to continue. let the war rage on.


People will never learn if they are never shown. Let us educate the masses and let them make their own decisions. The consequences of these decisions must fall on those responsible, not those who have nothing to do with it.

The government is, by gun point, stealing my money to fund a war on drugs. My family has no problems with drugs. My friends have no problems with drugs. I say let the drug addicts fund themselves. They can barter for rehab care, offer labor to work off expenses, you can start fund raisers if you want, or they can let themselves die from overuse or misuse. Would only be my problem if i misused drugs. And then, i would expect society to make me pay for my mistakes and seek rehab. I would not expect anyone to rob you of any money.

Maybe i just had the rough life experience of my parents teaching me responsibility... Don't know.

Drug addiction is a choice. 99.9% of the time you have to repeatedly use it on a regular basis before your body becomes addicted. (There are exceptions such as heroine.)

I ain't never smoked crack or heroine. That's probably the list of what I haven't tried in my younger years.
I've dealt with crack heads before. With some of them, the first hit sets them up for addiction.
You are absolutely right. The first drink or drug is a choice. After a while, they loose that choice. That's when it becomes an addiction. They won't quit unless they get to, what's referred to as a bottom. That bottom could be anywhere from getting sick and tired of being sick and tired, suicide, incarceration, mental institution or other type of death.

The responsibility has to rest squarely on the addict. They don't take responsibility, they never recover.

Many of those that do recover, take responsibility and make restitution. That's part of being able to stay clean and heal.

There is much more they have to do and it takes years to find a health level of normalcy.

Great, a lot of folks don't have to experience chemical addictions. It is as close to hell as I had ever been.

Winx's photo
Tue 04/07/09 03:27 PM
flowerforyou

franshade's photo
Tue 04/07/09 03:52 PM
I am usually a bleeding heart for most causes, but I happen to agree with Drivin - why should I have to pay, accommodate or assist those addicted. Why do I have to wait for them to hit rock bottom and then wait for them to decide if they want help or if they are willing to accept help.

I have first hand experiences with people who abused and are still abusing drugs but why make their choice my responsibility.

Willing said it best The responsibility has to rest squarely on the addict. They don't take responsibility, they never recover.



adj4u's photo
Tue 04/07/09 04:43 PM

I am usually a bleeding heart for most causes, but I happen to agree with Drivin - why should I have to pay, accommodate or assist those addicted. Why do I have to wait for them to hit rock bottom and then wait for them to decide if they want help or if they are willing to accept help.

I have first hand experiences with people who abused and are still abusing drugs but why make their choice my responsibility.

Willing said it best The responsibility has to rest squarely on the addict. They don't take responsibility, they never recover.





and if you take the money away from the criminals and tax it it would be a multiple win

crime rate would go down (less gang warfare thus less innocents being killed in drive bys)

less individual crime as to personal attacks to raise money to buy drugs as the price would be regulated and constant

more tax dollars generated by the legal sale of the drugs

more tax dollars saved by not having to fight a losing war on drugs you have investigation costs law enforcement costs judicial system cost incarceration cost (many of whom are non violent offenders that have done nothing to hurt anyone arguably other than themselves)

not to mention health issues which are caused by the cutting of the drug with substances that are not human friendly

Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 04/07/09 06:03 PM



you can't compare driving a car to drug use - drug use is mind altering and more often than not, will lead to crime. absolutely nothing good comes from drug use, it's a form of suicide, and it destroys everyone around the user. what is sad is that someone makes the choice to do this to themselves and everyone else pays the price. be it legalized or not, prescribed presciption abuse, etc., there will always be people that need the escape and until they find a way to cope without drugs, we, as a society, need to try to at least try to make it difficult for it to continue. let the war rage on.


People will never learn if they are never shown. Let us educate the masses and let them make their own decisions. The consequences of these decisions must fall on those responsible, not those who have nothing to do with it.

The government is, by gun point, stealing my money to fund a war on drugs. My family has no problems with drugs. My friends have no problems with drugs. I say let the drug addicts fund themselves. They can barter for rehab care, offer labor to work off expenses, you can start fund raisers if you want, or they can let themselves die from overuse or misuse. Would only be my problem if i misused drugs. And then, i would expect society to make me pay for my mistakes and seek rehab. I would not expect anyone to rob you of any money.

Maybe i just had the rough life experience of my parents teaching me responsibility... Don't know.

Drug addiction is a choice. 99.9% of the time you have to repeatedly use it on a regular basis before your body becomes addicted. (There are exceptions such as heroine.)


Then your friends that use drugs don't have the disease of addiction.

Fund it themselves? With what means?

They have parents and are parents. They do die.

I am very much against what you just said.




Of course you are. My wording is rather harsh. But to justify stealing from me,my family, my friends, etc, with people behaving irresponsibly is also wrong. It's an infringement on our personal properties.

That is all. There should be organizations set aside to help those in need. There should be counseling and medications available to help. If they had fund raisers i would donate. Just don't rob me at gunpoint and say i have to take responsibility for people because they were irresponsible.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 04/07/09 06:05 PM



you can't compare driving a car to drug use - drug use is mind altering and more often than not, will lead to crime. absolutely nothing good comes from drug use, it's a form of suicide, and it destroys everyone around the user. what is sad is that someone makes the choice to do this to themselves and everyone else pays the price. be it legalized or not, prescribed presciption abuse, etc., there will always be people that need the escape and until they find a way to cope without drugs, we, as a society, need to try to at least try to make it difficult for it to continue. let the war rage on.


People will never learn if they are never shown. Let us educate the masses and let them make their own decisions. The consequences of these decisions must fall on those responsible, not those who have nothing to do with it.

The government is, by gun point, stealing my money to fund a war on drugs. My family has no problems with drugs. My friends have no problems with drugs. I say let the drug addicts fund themselves. They can barter for rehab care, offer labor to work off expenses, you can start fund raisers if you want, or they can let themselves die from overuse or misuse. Would only be my problem if i misused drugs. And then, i would expect society to make me pay for my mistakes and seek rehab. I would not expect anyone to rob you of any money.

Maybe i just had the rough life experience of my parents teaching me responsibility... Don't know.

Drug addiction is a choice. 99.9% of the time you have to repeatedly use it on a regular basis before your body becomes addicted. (There are exceptions such as heroine.)

I ain't never smoked crack or heroine. That's probably the list of what I haven't tried in my younger years.
I've dealt with crack heads before. With some of them, the first hit sets them up for addiction.
You are absolutely right. The first drink or drug is a choice. After a while, they loose that choice. That's when it becomes an addiction. They won't quit unless they get to, what's referred to as a bottom. That bottom could be anywhere from getting sick and tired of being sick and tired, suicide, incarceration, mental institution or other type of death.

The responsibility has to rest squarely on the addict. They don't take responsibility, they never recover.

Many of those that do recover, take responsibility and make restitution. That's part of being able to stay clean and heal.

There is much more they have to do and it takes years to find a health level of normalcy.

Great, a lot of folks don't have to experience chemical addictions. It is as close to hell as I had ever been.


Exactly...

drinker


Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 04/07/09 06:06 PM


I am usually a bleeding heart for most causes, but I happen to agree with Drivin - why should I have to pay, accommodate or assist those addicted. Why do I have to wait for them to hit rock bottom and then wait for them to decide if they want help or if they are willing to accept help.

I have first hand experiences with people who abused and are still abusing drugs but why make their choice my responsibility.

Willing said it best The responsibility has to rest squarely on the addict. They don't take responsibility, they never recover.





and if you take the money away from the criminals and tax it it would be a multiple win

crime rate would go down (less gang warfare thus less innocents being killed in drive bys)

less individual crime as to personal attacks to raise money to buy drugs as the price would be regulated and constant

more tax dollars generated by the legal sale of the drugs

more tax dollars saved by not having to fight a losing war on drugs you have investigation costs law enforcement costs judicial system cost incarceration cost (many of whom are non violent offenders that have done nothing to hurt anyone arguably other than themselves)

not to mention health issues which are caused by the cutting of the drug with substances that are not human friendly


drinker drinker drinker drinker

warmachine's photo
Wed 04/08/09 04:08 AM




you can't compare driving a car to drug use - drug use is mind altering and more often than not, will lead to crime. absolutely nothing good comes from drug use, it's a form of suicide, and it destroys everyone around the user. what is sad is that someone makes the choice to do this to themselves and everyone else pays the price. be it legalized or not, prescribed presciption abuse, etc., there will always be people that need the escape and until they find a way to cope without drugs, we, as a society, need to try to at least try to make it difficult for it to continue. let the war rage on.


People will never learn if they are never shown. Let us educate the masses and let them make their own decisions. The consequences of these decisions must fall on those responsible, not those who have nothing to do with it.

The government is, by gun point, stealing my money to fund a war on drugs. My family has no problems with drugs. My friends have no problems with drugs. I say let the drug addicts fund themselves. They can barter for rehab care, offer labor to work off expenses, you can start fund raisers if you want, or they can let themselves die from overuse or misuse. Would only be my problem if i misused drugs. And then, i would expect society to make me pay for my mistakes and seek rehab. I would not expect anyone to rob you of any money.

Maybe i just had the rough life experience of my parents teaching me responsibility... Don't know.

Drug addiction is a choice. 99.9% of the time you have to repeatedly use it on a regular basis before your body becomes addicted. (There are exceptions such as heroine.)


Then your friends that use drugs don't have the disease of addiction.

Fund it themselves? With what means?

They have parents and are parents. They do die.

I am very much against what you just said.




Of course you are. My wording is rather harsh. But to justify stealing from me,my family, my friends, etc, with people behaving irresponsibly is also wrong. It's an infringement on our personal properties.

That is all. There should be organizations set aside to help those in need. There should be counseling and medications available to help. If they had fund raisers i would donate. Just don't rob me at gunpoint and say i have to take responsibility for people because they were irresponsible.


That's what I'm talking about!

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