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you can't compare driving a car to drug use - drug use is mind altering and more often than not, will lead to crime. absolutely nothing good comes from drug use, it's a form of suicide, and it destroys everyone around the user. what is sad is that someone makes the choice to do this to themselves and everyone else pays the price. be it legalized or not, prescribed presciption abuse, etc., there will always be people that need the escape and until they find a way to cope without drugs, we, as a society, need to try to at least try to make it difficult for it to continue. let the war rage on. Well said. |
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Aren't we about to receive some "government" health care?
Could you not fund said health care with a 10% tax on Weed? Rehab paid for. |
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Aren't we about to receive some "government" health care? Could you not fund said health care with a 10% tax on Weed? Rehab paid for. Rehab is expensive and long term. |
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Edited by
bastet126
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Tue 04/07/09 10:18 AM
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you can't compare driving a car to drug use - drug use is mind altering and more often than not, will lead to crime. absolutely nothing good comes from drug use, it's a form of suicide, and it destroys everyone around the user. what is sad is that someone makes the choice to do this to themselves and everyone else pays the price. be it legalized or not, prescribed presciption abuse, etc., there will always be people that need the escape and until they find a way to cope without drugs, we, as a society, need to try to at least try to make it difficult for it to continue. let the war rage on. and who is to say what anyone can do with themselves no ones business but their own OMG - it's that logic right there that make the drug users think what they do is ok - in fact, it affects EVERYONE else. i have no more to say to this stupid argument. |
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Edited by
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Tue 04/07/09 10:26 AM
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you can't compare driving a car to drug use - drug use is mind altering and more often than not, will lead to crime. absolutely nothing good comes from drug use, it's a form of suicide, and it destroys everyone around the user. what is sad is that someone makes the choice to do this to themselves and everyone else pays the price. be it legalized or not, prescribed presciption abuse, etc., there will always be people that need the escape and until they find a way to cope without drugs, we, as a society, need to try to at least try to make it difficult for it to continue. let the war rage on. reread the posts it was said drug use destroys families automobile collisions destroy more families thus using that logic automobiles should be illegal as well and who is to say what anyone can do with themselves no ones business but their own seeing as you took liberty to selective quoting and who are you and anyone else to say what is ok or not ok for someone else to do and why is it ok to use tobacco and alcohol both are also considered drugs both cause death and hurt families why should they be legal and others illegal |
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you can't compare driving a car to drug use - drug use is mind altering and more often than not, will lead to crime. absolutely nothing good comes from drug use, it's a form of suicide, and it destroys everyone around the user. what is sad is that someone makes the choice to do this to themselves and everyone else pays the price. be it legalized or not, prescribed presciption abuse, etc., there will always be people that need the escape and until they find a way to cope without drugs, we, as a society, need to try to at least try to make it difficult for it to continue. let the war rage on. reread the posts it was said drug use destroys families automobile collisions destroy more families thus using that logic automobiles should be illegal as well and who is to say what anyone can do with themselves no ones business but their own seeing as you took liberty to selective quoting only because the others had been answered...reread the posts 
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you can't compare driving a car to drug use - drug use is mind altering and more often than not, will lead to crime. absolutely nothing good comes from drug use, it's a form of suicide, and it destroys everyone around the user. what is sad is that someone makes the choice to do this to themselves and everyone else pays the price. be it legalized or not, prescribed presciption abuse, etc., there will always be people that need the escape and until they find a way to cope without drugs, we, as a society, need to try to at least try to make it difficult for it to continue. let the war rage on. and who is to say what anyone can do with themselves no ones business but their own OMG - it's that logic right there that make the drug users think what they do it ok - in fact, it affects EVERYONE else. i have no more to say to this stupid argument. By using your logic, we need to ban anything that can be considered a form of suicide or something that has the potential to cause what might be perceived as harm to someone else. Tobacco, regulating what fat people eat, Soda pop-Gone, Fast Food Black Markets,Gambling has to go, see ya Vegas, Atlantic City economies, Sex? Unless you're married it has to go, even then it has to have regulations attached to it, just in case. If the Drug war should rage on, then shouldn't we engage on these fronts as well? Drug use doesn't lead to crime, the prohibition creates the atmosphere in which crimes occur. I'm a smoker ( quitting, I'm weaning myself off and actually, tomorrow will be my first tobacco free day) as a Nicotine addict, which is "legal", I've never had the urge to rob a house or mug someone to fuel my addiction. How about using the same logic for caffiene? Quick poll, How many people here have sold their mothers T.V. for that next cup of Coffee? |
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you can't compare driving a car to drug use - drug use is mind altering and more often than not, will lead to crime. absolutely nothing good comes from drug use, it's a form of suicide, and it destroys everyone around the user. what is sad is that someone makes the choice to do this to themselves and everyone else pays the price. be it legalized or not, prescribed presciption abuse, etc., there will always be people that need the escape and until they find a way to cope without drugs, we, as a society, need to try to at least try to make it difficult for it to continue. let the war rage on. and who is to say what anyone can do with themselves no ones business but their own OMG - it's that logic right there that make the drug users think what they do it ok - in fact, it affects EVERYONE else. i have no more to say to this stupid argument. By using your logic, we need to ban anything that can be considered a form of suicide or something that has the potential to cause what might be perceived as harm to someone else. Tobacco, regulating what fat people eat, Soda pop-Gone, Fast Food Black Markets,Gambling has to go, see ya Vegas, Atlantic City economies, Sex? Unless you're married it has to go, even then it has to have regulations attached to it, just in case. If the Drug war should rage on, then shouldn't we engage on these fronts as well? Drug use doesn't lead to crime, the prohibition creates the atmosphere in which crimes occur. I'm a smoker ( quitting, I'm weaning myself off and actually, tomorrow will be my first tobacco free day) as a Nicotine addict, which is "legal", I've never had the urge to rob a house or mug someone to fuel my addiction. How about using the same logic for caffiene? Quick poll, How many people here have sold their mothers T.V. for that next cup of Coffee? dream on...just like an addict, they can be very creative when it suits them. |
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Come to rethink my position on legalizing drugs.
Those folks who are going to use 'em, will use 'em, legal or no. Families will be destroyed, legal or no. I say, legalize all street drugs. License and tax the manufacturers of crack, meth, etc. If someone is busted without a license, give 'em the max., Fed Felony charge. Getting busted driving while under the influence would generate more revenue. |
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Aren't we about to receive some "government" health care? Could you not fund said health care with a 10% tax on Weed? Rehab paid for. Rehab is expensive and long term. Says who? A.A. is free and as for the long term, that depends on the person. I was a heavy drinker when I was younger, all it takes is to make the decision that you're done with it and have the fortitude to follow through. Thats what I did. Now is that going to work for everyone? No, however, the idea that you'll need some expensive, longterm care to "cure" the addict is misleading at best. |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Tue 04/07/09 10:35 AM
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you can't compare driving a car to drug use - drug use is mind altering and more often than not, will lead to crime. absolutely nothing good comes from drug use, it's a form of suicide, and it destroys everyone around the user. what is sad is that someone makes the choice to do this to themselves and everyone else pays the price. be it legalized or not, prescribed presciption abuse, etc., there will always be people that need the escape and until they find a way to cope without drugs, we, as a society, need to try to at least try to make it difficult for it to continue. let the war rage on. reread the posts it was said drug use destroys families automobile collisions destroy more families thus using that logic automobiles should be illegal as well and who is to say what anyone can do with themselves no ones business but their own seeing as you took liberty to selective quoting only because the others had been answered...reread the posts
no they were not answered show how you justify their use when they destroy more lifes than all drugs combined that has not been addressed (you skated the issue using your phrase dream on...just like an addict, they can be very creative when it suits them.} i would not have used that wording but seeing as you dd you should relate to it how many cars are stolen how many carjackings with people in them how many crimes are committed that do not use a car so much for the lead to crime argument if you take the drug money out of the hands of the gangs crime will probably go down |
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you can't compare driving a car to drug use - drug use is mind altering and more often than not, will lead to crime. absolutely nothing good comes from drug use, it's a form of suicide, and it destroys everyone around the user. what is sad is that someone makes the choice to do this to themselves and everyone else pays the price. be it legalized or not, prescribed presciption abuse, etc., there will always be people that need the escape and until they find a way to cope without drugs, we, as a society, need to try to at least try to make it difficult for it to continue. let the war rage on. and who is to say what anyone can do with themselves no ones business but their own OMG - it's that logic right there that make the drug users think what they do it ok - in fact, it affects EVERYONE else. i have no more to say to this stupid argument. By using your logic, we need to ban anything that can be considered a form of suicide or something that has the potential to cause what might be perceived as harm to someone else. Tobacco, regulating what fat people eat, Soda pop-Gone, Fast Food Black Markets,Gambling has to go, see ya Vegas, Atlantic City economies, Sex? Unless you're married it has to go, even then it has to have regulations attached to it, just in case. If the Drug war should rage on, then shouldn't we engage on these fronts as well? Drug use doesn't lead to crime, the prohibition creates the atmosphere in which crimes occur. I'm a smoker ( quitting, I'm weaning myself off and actually, tomorrow will be my first tobacco free day) as a Nicotine addict, which is "legal", I've never had the urge to rob a house or mug someone to fuel my addiction. How about using the same logic for caffiene? Quick poll, How many people here have sold their mothers T.V. for that next cup of Coffee? dream on...just like an addict, they can be very creative when it suits them. So what you're saying is, you actually have no retort, which leads you to resort to some vague insult. Capone got his power, by taking advantage of a black market created by prohibition, that is repeated in todays street gangs and the Drug cartels. Just like an addict? 
That's like a guy with a rock starting a fight with the fully armed swat officer. |
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It's sort of amusing when you look at arguments to legalize things from pot to gay marriage to prostitution.
Whether there is a law against it or not...gay people still live together, people still smoke pot, whores still turn tricks. Legislating against some activity does not make it go away. Heck in some cases I think it makes it worse. Remember how well Prohibition worked out? If you are going to argue that some activity is "bad for you" or "bad for society" because we have to bear costs that result from those choices is silly. We have to bear the cost of the uneducated. We have to bear the costs of people who drive to fast. Or eat fattening foods. Or spit out a ton of brats. Or create shaky financial tools like credit default swaps. Or people who fish on spring ice and have to be rescued. Or choose to reproduce despite having genetic tenancies for diseases like diabetes or cancer. Or overload their trucks and damage roadways. Or...I could go on. Point is all these activities are choices that cost society money. Should they all be illegal? If you look strictly at society and cost effectiveness when evaluating social or legal policies...well honestly the most cost affective way to live would to have all of us housed in dorms where we would eat a well balanced government proscribed diet, report to our work stations every day. |
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It's sort of amusing when you look at arguments to legalize things from pot to gay marriage to prostitution. Whether there is a law against it or not...gay people still live together, people still smoke pot, whores still turn tricks. Legislating against some activity does not make it go away. Heck in some cases I think it makes it worse. Remember how well Prohibition worked out? If you are going to argue that some activity is "bad for you" or "bad for society" because we have to bear costs that result from those choices is silly. We have to bear the cost of the uneducated. We have to bear the costs of people who drive to fast. Or eat fattening foods. Or spit out a ton of brats. Or create shaky financial tools like credit default swaps. Or people who fish on spring ice and have to be rescued. Or choose to reproduce despite having genetic tenancies for diseases like diabetes or cancer. Or overload their trucks and damage roadways. Or...I could go on. Point is all these activities are choices that cost society money. Should they all be illegal? If you look strictly at society and cost effectiveness when evaluating social or legal policies...well honestly the most cost affective way to live would to have all of us housed in dorms where we would eat a well balanced government proscribed diet, report to our work stations every day. If you look strictly at society and cost effectiveness when evaluating social or legal policies...well honestly the most cost affective way to live would to have all of us housed in dorms where we would eat a well balanced government proscribed diet, report to our work stations every day. it is coming to that those that can see the trend realize it 
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you can't compare driving a car to drug use - drug use is mind altering and more often than not, will lead to crime. absolutely nothing good comes from drug use, it's a form of suicide, and it destroys everyone around the user. what is sad is that someone makes the choice to do this to themselves and everyone else pays the price. be it legalized or not, prescribed presciption abuse, etc., there will always be people that need the escape and until they find a way to cope without drugs, we, as a society, need to try to at least try to make it difficult for it to continue. let the war rage on. reread the posts it was said drug use destroys families automobile collisions destroy more families thus using that logic automobiles should be illegal as well and who is to say what anyone can do with themselves no ones business but their own seeing as you took liberty to selective quoting only because the others had been answered...reread the posts
no they were not answered show how you justify their use when they destroy more lifes than all drugs combined that has not been addressed (you skated the issue using your phrase dream on...just like an addict, they can be very creative when it suits them.} i would not have used that wording but seeing as you dd you should relate to it are you still arguing using the car theory?? or the mind-altering tabacco and caffeine theory?? an argument on drugs has to stand alone. do vehicle fatalities destroy lives, yes; but you're comparing apples to oranges. tell me one, just one good thing that comes from illegal drug use. not what positive cultural affects there could be if it were legalized, not what one does to their body is their business, just ONE good thing that comes from it's continued use. |
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It's sort of amusing when you look at arguments to legalize things from pot to gay marriage to prostitution. Whether there is a law against it or not...gay people still live together, people still smoke pot, whores still turn tricks. Legislating against some activity does not make it go away. Heck in some cases I think it makes it worse. Remember how well Prohibition worked out? If you are going to argue that some activity is "bad for you" or "bad for society" because we have to bear costs that result from those choices is silly. We have to bear the cost of the uneducated. We have to bear the costs of people who drive to fast. Or eat fattening foods. Or spit out a ton of brats. Or create shaky financial tools like credit default swaps. Or people who fish on spring ice and have to be rescued. Or choose to reproduce despite having genetic tenancies for diseases like diabetes or cancer. Or overload their trucks and damage roadways. Or...I could go on. Point is all these activities are choices that cost society money. Should they all be illegal? If you look strictly at society and cost effectiveness when evaluating social or legal policies...well honestly the most cost affective way to live would to have all of us housed in dorms where we would eat a well balanced government proscribed diet, report to our work stations every day. If you look strictly at society and cost effectiveness when evaluating social or legal policies...well honestly the most cost affective way to live would to have all of us housed in dorms where we would eat a well balanced government proscribed diet, report to our work stations every day. it is coming to that those that can see the trend realize it
 Sad...but true.
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ya sure do not hear much about the drug problem from when they were legal
the making them illegal seems to be what lead to the problems |
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It's sort of amusing when you look at arguments to legalize things from pot to gay marriage to prostitution. Whether there is a law against it or not...gay people still live together, people still smoke pot, whores still turn tricks. Legislating against some activity does not make it go away. Heck in some cases I think it makes it worse. Remember how well Prohibition worked out? If you are going to argue that some activity is "bad for you" or "bad for society" because we have to bear costs that result from those choices is silly. We have to bear the cost of the uneducated. We have to bear the costs of people who drive to fast. Or eat fattening foods. Or spit out a ton of brats. Or create shaky financial tools like credit default swaps. Or people who fish on spring ice and have to be rescued. Or choose to reproduce despite having genetic tenancies for diseases like diabetes or cancer. Or overload their trucks and damage roadways. Or...I could go on. Point is all these activities are choices that cost society money. Should they all be illegal? If you look strictly at society and cost effectiveness when evaluating social or legal policies...well honestly the most cost affective way to live would to have all of us housed in dorms where we would eat a well balanced government proscribed diet, report to our work stations every day. Gotta' Love this Gal!! 
Right on!! 
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you can't compare driving a car to drug use - drug use is mind altering and more often than not, will lead to crime. absolutely nothing good comes from drug use, it's a form of suicide, and it destroys everyone around the user. what is sad is that someone makes the choice to do this to themselves and everyone else pays the price. be it legalized or not, prescribed presciption abuse, etc., there will always be people that need the escape and until they find a way to cope without drugs, we, as a society, need to try to at least try to make it difficult for it to continue. let the war rage on. reread the posts it was said drug use destroys families automobile collisions destroy more families thus using that logic automobiles should be illegal as well and who is to say what anyone can do with themselves no ones business but their own seeing as you took liberty to selective quoting only because the others had been answered...reread the posts
no they were not answered show how you justify their use when they destroy more lifes than all drugs combined that has not been addressed (you skated the issue using your phrase dream on...just like an addict, they can be very creative when it suits them.} i would not have used that wording but seeing as you dd you should relate to it are you still arguing using the car theory?? or the mind-altering tabacco and caffeine theory?? an argument on drugs has to stand alone. do vehicle fatalities destroy lives, yes; but you're comparing apples to oranges. tell me one, just one good thing that comes from illegal drug use. not what positive cultural affects there could be if it were legalized, not what one does to their body is their business, just ONE good thing that comes from it's continued use. you totally miss the point they are next on the list look what tobacoo users go thru and no they do not have to stand on their own it is an establishment of a pattern of the government abusing the rights of the people using the it is bad for you argument is not enough what you use those things so they can not be mentioned sorry that does not work if it causes bad to happen then anything that causes bad to happen is or will be on the chopping block |
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It's sort of amusing when you look at arguments to legalize things from pot to gay marriage to prostitution. Whether there is a law against it or not...gay people still live together, people still smoke pot, whores still turn tricks. Legislating against some activity does not make it go away. Heck in some cases I think it makes it worse. Remember how well Prohibition worked out? If you are going to argue that some activity is "bad for you" or "bad for society" because we have to bear costs that result from those choices is silly. We have to bear the cost of the uneducated. We have to bear the costs of people who drive to fast. Or eat fattening foods. Or spit out a ton of brats. Or create shaky financial tools like credit default swaps. Or people who fish on spring ice and have to be rescued. Or choose to reproduce despite having genetic tenancies for diseases like diabetes or cancer. Or overload their trucks and damage roadways. Or...I could go on. Point is all these activities are choices that cost society money. Should they all be illegal? If you look strictly at society and cost effectiveness when evaluating social or legal policies...well honestly the most cost affective way to live would to have all of us housed in dorms where we would eat a well balanced government proscribed diet, report to our work stations every day. A small correction. We only have to bear the costs, if we want to be a socialist state. There is no cost, if we were willing to live as advised by our founding fathers. The socialization, is what makes a diversification a cost, instead of benefit. The welfare state, needs everyone to be exactly the same. |
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