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Ok, now that that's out of my system, onto the original reason I clicked on this topic... What is everybody's thought s on the Undertaker-Shawn Michaels classic? Best match ever? (and I say this as a TNA fan) Honestly, I've never seen two wrestlers abuse each other like this...or I guess you could say abuse themselves. When Michaels missed an out-of-the-ring moonsault onto Taker and fell 12 feet to the arena floor, I thought he'd be counted out, but he got up. But I've never seen anything like Taker's insane dive out of the ring. He missed Michaels completely, banging head first into the arena floor like a lawn dart. For all you wrestling bashers out there, try faking gravity. Because the force gravity exerts on a 300+ pound form that takes a 12-foot drop onto his head with nothing between his face and the concrete floor but half an inch of padding is unmistakeable. Taker's head left a distinct crater in the padding, yet he got up in a glassy-eyed state and continued to wrestle for 10-15 minutes. I gained a whole new respect for Undertaker right there. For the drama of the match, yes. It was one of the best ever. For the actual wrestling, no. It wasn't. It had good moments, but the " submission " moves were so badly done, except for Undertaker's Hell's Gate choke hold that I sat there for most of the match in a state of " Come on. I KNOW these two are better than that. The Figure 4 Shawn put on 'Taker looked terrible, and the " crossface " was even worse. |
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Ok, now that that's out of my system, onto the original reason I clicked on this topic... What is everybody's thought s on the Undertaker-Shawn Michaels classic? Best match ever? (and I say this as a TNA fan) Honestly, I've never seen two wrestlers abuse each other like this...or I guess you could say abuse themselves. When Michaels missed an out-of-the-ring moonsault onto Taker and fell 12 feet to the arena floor, I thought he'd be counted out, but he got up. But I've never seen anything like Taker's insane dive out of the ring. He missed Michaels completely, banging head first into the arena floor like a lawn dart. For all you wrestling bashers out there, try faking gravity. Because the force gravity exerts on a 300+ pound form that takes a 12-foot drop onto his head with nothing between his face and the concrete floor but half an inch of padding is unmistakeable. Taker's head left a distinct crater in the padding, yet he got up in a glassy-eyed state and continued to wrestle for 10-15 minutes. I gained a whole new respect for Undertaker right there. For the drama of the match, yes. It was one of the best ever. For the actual wrestling, no. It wasn't. It had good moments, but the " submission " moves were so badly done, except for Undertaker's Hell's Gate choke hold that I sat there for most of the match in a state of " Come on. I KNOW these two are better than that. The Figure 4 Shawn put on 'Taker looked terrible, and the " crossface " was even worse. Wow, justaguy, I'm shocked by your opinion. I'm as difficult to please as the next wrestling fan, but I thought Taker-Michaels could make a strong case for match of the decade. |
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Ok, now that that's out of my system, onto the original reason I clicked on this topic... What is everybody's thought s on the Undertaker-Shawn Michaels classic? Best match ever? (and I say this as a TNA fan) Honestly, I've never seen two wrestlers abuse each other like this...or I guess you could say abuse themselves. When Michaels missed an out-of-the-ring moonsault onto Taker and fell 12 feet to the arena floor, I thought he'd be counted out, but he got up. But I've never seen anything like Taker's insane dive out of the ring. He missed Michaels completely, banging head first into the arena floor like a lawn dart. For all you wrestling bashers out there, try faking gravity. Because the force gravity exerts on a 300+ pound form that takes a 12-foot drop onto his head with nothing between his face and the concrete floor but half an inch of padding is unmistakeable. Taker's head left a distinct crater in the padding, yet he got up in a glassy-eyed state and continued to wrestle for 10-15 minutes. I gained a whole new respect for Undertaker right there. For the drama of the match, yes. It was one of the best ever. For the actual wrestling, no. It wasn't. It had good moments, but the " submission " moves were so badly done, except for Undertaker's Hell's Gate choke hold that I sat there for most of the match in a state of " Come on. I KNOW these two are better than that. The Figure 4 Shawn put on 'Taker looked terrible, and the " crossface " was even worse. Wow, justaguy, I'm shocked by your opinion. I'm as difficult to please as the next wrestling fan, but I thought Taker-Michaels could make a strong case for match of the decade. For the most part, I agree. It was a very good match. Except for the things I mentioned. The match was more physical than any I have seen in a long time. I think ( and this is just my opinion ) that the " submission moves were in place so that they could have the match last as long as it did. After all, the tag team match between Miz and Morrison/Carlito and Primo was actually supposed to be part of the main show, but it wound up being one of the pre show bonus matches. That meant they had time to fill. Shawn and 'Taker put those submission moves in ( I think ) because they needed to fill time, but if they had tried to go full out for the entire match, both of them would have been too gassed to make the match look good toward the end. Don't get me wrong. The match was very well done. The things I mentioned could very well be a case of me just nitpicking. |
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Edited by
nvkikigirl
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Wed 04/08/09 10:23 AM
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I was at the viewing of WM 25 at a get together, and the guys there have been fans much longer than I and knew more, and they thought the michaels/undertaker match was incredible. and they also talked often about the dent from the takers head when he knocked out that camera guy.
my son and i were amazed at jeff hardy taking that incredible fall from the ladder and before that when he broke through the two tables with his brother sandwiched in between. 
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I do believe that WrestleMania, Taker-Michaels notwithstanding, reaffirms my position as a TNA fan. To judge from recent WWE pay-per-views, the things that turned me off to WWE years ago are still evident.
 Oh well, there are plenty of alternatives out there. |
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....with the loss of wrestlers like mick foley,and alot of the older hardcore blood and gut wrestlers..my intrerest in it has waned..nowadays it looks like a bunch of pretty boys and hot girls sticking to sub-soap operatic scripts...and what ever happened to the REAL ECW.... 
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The real ECW was bankrupted by the combined onslaught of WWE (then the WWF) and WCW in 2001.
If you want to see Foley, simply tune into TNA. |
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did Mickey Rourke win? be seeing you
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it is a sport as it is a skilled physical activity if u like it or not, its still a sport! they have to keep in great shape to perform all the stuff they do, so it must take alot of hard work Its nothing to do with whether i like it or not, it is not a sport. I didnt say it wasnt skillful, or even entertaining. For it to be a sport, there needs to be competition. The winner is decided beforehand. You're wrong. For it to be a sport, it must involve athletes. As anyone thinking rationally will tell you, wrestlers are athletes. I'm not really interested in getting into yet another argument about whether wrestling is or isn't a sport, so I'll leave it at that. You might not be interested but im gonna reply to you anyway. I never said that wrestlers were not athletes, obviously they are. Ballet dancers are extremely athletic and talented as well, but nobody argues that ballet is a sport. In wrestling, the moves, the drama, and the outcome are all pre-planned and choreographed. Just like the ballet. Wrestling is little more than buff men dancing. Sport surely must involve SOME level of competition. In wrestling there is none. But before anyone gets all pissy with me over it, let me acknowledge once again that these men are very talented and fit individuals. But sportsmen? No way. |
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In wrestling, the moves, the drama, and the outcome are all pre-planned and choreographed. That's only partially accurate, Dan. Although the moves are practiced, they are not " choreographed " before the match. If you were to ever watch a few matches, you would see points in the match where one guy will put his mouth right next to the ear of the opponent. If you look, you can see them actually speaking to the opponent. What they guy is doing is calling the match. usually, it the " heel " ( villain ) that calls the match. Calling the match is nothing more than letting the opponent know what move is going to be coming next. The best wrestlers in the business normally call the matches on the fly, rather than have everything planned out. They will normally have some things planned out before the hit the ring, but they also do a lot of things on the fly. |
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^^^I stand corrected! I cant say i have watched a wrestling match since i was a teenager. It doesnt interest me, these days the ballet would actually be more appealing.
All i know is that there is no competition, and therefore is not a sport. Thats my opinion and im sticking to it. |
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^^^I stand corrected! I cant say i have watched a wrestling match since i was a teenager. It doesnt interest me, these days the ballet would actually be more appealing. All i know is that there is no competition, and therefore is not a sport. Thats my opinion and im sticking to it. Well that's your opinion...but it's only an opinion. You leave a site for a few days expecting a topic to have ended, come back, and there it is.  It always boggles my mind that any discussion on any aspect of wrestling, as far as these forums go, inevitably disintegrates into an argument of what is and isn't real, whether wrestling is a sport, etc. To me, a non-wrestling fan entering a wrestling topic to state that it's not real is neither informative or likely to get you on the good side of the wrestling fans discussing the topic. It's imflammatory. To me, it would be no different than me entering a football related discussion and heaping dung on that game because I happen not to be a fan. Obviously, that would be disrespectful to football fans, regardless of my views on football, and for that reason, I would not do it. Entering a wrestling topic just to tell us it's fixed is like entering a topic about the sky in order to leave a post stating that it's blue. |
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^^^I stand corrected! I cant say i have watched a wrestling match since i was a teenager. It doesnt interest me, these days the ballet would actually be more appealing. All i know is that there is no competition, and therefore is not a sport. Thats my opinion and im sticking to it. Well that's your opinion...but it's only an opinion. You leave a site for a few days expecting a topic to have ended, come back, and there it is. It always boggles my mind that any discussion on any aspect of wrestling, as far as these forums go, inevitably disintegrates into an argument of what is and isn't real, whether wrestling is a sport, etc. To me, a non-wrestling fan entering a wrestling topic to state that it's not real is neither informative or likely to get you on the good side of the wrestling fans discussing the topic. It's imflammatory. To me, it would be no different than me entering a football related discussion and heaping dung on that game because I happen not to be a fan. Obviously, that would be disrespectful to football fans, regardless of my views on football, and for that reason, I would not do it. Entering a wrestling topic just to tell us it's fixed is like entering a topic about the sky in order to leave a post stating that it's blue. If you feel disrespected because i entered into a discussion about wrestling, then thats your problem. I have actually stated more than once that i appreciate there is a lot of skill and athleticism in it. Just because im not a fan doesnt mean i cant have an opinion on it, or do not know anything about it. I might not know MUCH about it, but i do know its not a sport. Thats is my only point, it is not a sport. If you wanna call it a sport go ahead, but no matter how many people call it a sport, its not a proper sport. Its a show. |
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^^^I stand corrected! I cant say i have watched a wrestling match since i was a teenager. It doesnt interest me, these days the ballet would actually be more appealing. All i know is that there is no competition, and therefore is not a sport. Thats my opinion and im sticking to it. Well that's your opinion...but it's only an opinion. You leave a site for a few days expecting a topic to have ended, come back, and there it is. It always boggles my mind that any discussion on any aspect of wrestling, as far as these forums go, inevitably disintegrates into an argument of what is and isn't real, whether wrestling is a sport, etc. To me, a non-wrestling fan entering a wrestling topic to state that it's not real is neither informative or likely to get you on the good side of the wrestling fans discussing the topic. It's imflammatory. To me, it would be no different than me entering a football related discussion and heaping dung on that game because I happen not to be a fan. Obviously, that would be disrespectful to football fans, regardless of my views on football, and for that reason, I would not do it. Entering a wrestling topic just to tell us it's fixed is like entering a topic about the sky in order to leave a post stating that it's blue. If you feel disrespected because i entered into a discussion about wrestling, then thats your problem. I have actually stated more than once that i appreciate there is a lot of skill and athleticism in it. Just because im not a fan doesnt mean i cant have an opinion on it, or do not know anything about it. I might not know MUCH about it, but i do know its not a sport. Thats is my only point, it is not a sport. If you wanna call it a sport go ahead, but no matter how many people call it a sport, its not a proper sport. Its a show. That's all fine and dandy, but for once, I'd like to enter a topic discussion about wrestling, and just discuss what it says in the title. |
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..well than i'll tell you who will win..the one that is scripted to...there you go..couldnt be a more honest answer..your welcome..
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^^^I stand corrected! I cant say i have watched a wrestling match since i was a teenager. It doesnt interest me, these days the ballet would actually be more appealing. All i know is that there is no competition, and therefore is not a sport. Thats my opinion and im sticking to it. Well that's your opinion...but it's only an opinion. You leave a site for a few days expecting a topic to have ended, come back, and there it is. It always boggles my mind that any discussion on any aspect of wrestling, as far as these forums go, inevitably disintegrates into an argument of what is and isn't real, whether wrestling is a sport, etc. To me, a non-wrestling fan entering a wrestling topic to state that it's not real is neither informative or likely to get you on the good side of the wrestling fans discussing the topic. It's imflammatory. To me, it would be no different than me entering a football related discussion and heaping dung on that game because I happen not to be a fan. Obviously, that would be disrespectful to football fans, regardless of my views on football, and for that reason, I would not do it. Entering a wrestling topic just to tell us it's fixed is like entering a topic about the sky in order to leave a post stating that it's blue. If you feel disrespected because i entered into a discussion about wrestling, then thats your problem. I have actually stated more than once that i appreciate there is a lot of skill and athleticism in it. Just because im not a fan doesnt mean i cant have an opinion on it, or do not know anything about it. I might not know MUCH about it, but i do know its not a sport. Thats is my only point, it is not a sport. If you wanna call it a sport go ahead, but no matter how many people call it a sport, its not a proper sport. Its a show. That's all fine and dandy, but for once, I'd like to enter a topic discussion about wrestling, and just discuss what it says in the title. Oh i see. That must be why your first post in this thread was in response to me. I wouldnt even be talking to you about it if you weren't replying directly to my posts. |
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