Our President.

I didn't say we were Socialists!

I do wonder about your fascination with going to back to the time when you were a baby.

The story is a generalization of socialism and problems that arise from it. However socialism, the way i understand it, isn't just redistribution of wealth. It's about having no private sector.

In a socialist system the businesses are all government owned and run.

Problems that occur with that is the fact that the government can't seem to run much of anything these days. If they were to run a business like they themselves are run you would have businesses collapsing left and right.

Another thing to think about is the fact that corporate giants are already pretty much government owned. The ceo's somehow find their way into positions of government power. When a business gets big enough they don't have to worry about failing because they will get bailed out, so they can take as many risks as they want. That is our problem today. We all profits are privatized, while all losses are socialized. I say keep it all privatized.



Social programs such as wellfare, social security, national healthcare, etc. are a bit risky when you get carried away.

The lower and middle classes use these programs, while the upper class usually has their own ways to deal with things. The biggest burden taxwise is always placed on the middle class. It makes it much harder to go up from middle to upper class, and much, much harder to go up to middle from lower class.

As, the middle class begins to shrink, the slack needs to be picked up by somebody. So taxes increase on the middle and upper class. YOu have the lower/upper class now becoming the middle class, and the middle class having to tighten their belts even further to pay taxes. This pushes yet more people from the middle to lower class, and upper to middle class, etc. The pattern repeats until one day we just can't afford these programs anymore. People begin to starve.

A similar senario occured in Rome, i believe, just before the Ceasars took over. I think there was another account of this in Greece as well, but don't quote me on that.

These are just possible dangers of a socialistic system. There are dangers to a Capitalistic system as well. o system is perfect. I think we should let capitalism work, before replacing it with socialism...

What is socialism and where did it come from?

There is no reason for anyone to do more than is absolutely required, in a socialism. On the other hand, there is a strong incentive to get as much from a common as one can.

Every socialist country did, is, and will follow the path of societal degradation. They will first degrade their material circumstances, then their spiritual level.

Germany is not the case, in as much as the east Germany reunification is concerned. East Germany was not "a socialist democratic state". It was forcibly made such by the Soviet Union. The people never accepted this. They were running across "the wall", to the west Germany.

Socialism, is a sick idea of a very sick individual, by the name of Plato. (If you had to know).

I'd like to add, that this is not due to our government not being able to run anything. No government, however powerful, smart, and perfect it is, will ever be able to run economy. This, in turn, is because economy isn't run. It lives by itself. Anyone, a government in particular, that attempts to "run" the economy, will succeed only in ruining it. Running is giving a direction. Free markets do not have a direction, the whole economy runs in every direction at once, because there is an endless multitude of human desires to be satisfied.





Yes. This happens because when we desire for a "power to regulate" to exist, we ourselves, provide for the creation of an instrument, that only needs to be corrupted, in order to be abused.

Once created, any regulator's office is necessarily corrupted. It has to be corrupted, because, there is the desire to corrupt on the part of someone interested, and there is a capability to be corrupted, on the part of the office, since it runs an income generating stream that is larger than their personal income.

Any regulator, as an absolute rule, will either become a bloody dictator or will be corrupted. There is no exception.



I am not sure what you are referring to, but Rome collapsed shortly after accepting Christianity. Then they went on socialism, and destroyed the Rome. Barbarians finished the job.

This is a big secret, and it consists of two things:

1. The role of Christianity.
2. The fact that the world plunged into "Dark Ages" due to the 1. and Rome debasing (inflating) their currency.

I was talking about W Germany where the Gov owns everything from the Post Office3 to the Transportation system, and at 18 everyone is required to enter into National service.

In that regard the W Germany is no different than U.S., and they do suffer from the socialization as much as we do.

There is no single capitalist country in the whole world, as we speak, since not one country has a specie based monetary system, which means, that the government is interfering with economy.

That's more agreeable.
However, we have a long ways to go to become as socialist as Germany.
Our Gov doesnt own and control the Transportation system, Nationalized Health care, and our 18 yr olds arent required to enter into National service.

Although I think they should!

We have traces of socialistic type activities in our government but we will never be socialist nor communist so no one need to have any fear of that.

Besides, currently we are the classic example of fascism.

I would love to agree. However, the nature of socialism is very unstable, such that once introduced in however small measure, it can no longer be stopped and necessarily progresses to full blown socialism.

This country then, too, must move towards complete socialism.

There is no way to stop it. I know, I myself sometimes appear as if I want to stop it's progression. But, I am not that naive.

I realize that they only way to cure this sort of decease, is to help advancing it, as fast as possible, to it's terminal stage.

I sorta agree with you, except I dont see it as an end. Just a new beginning!
And, I dont think it a in any way interferes with the constitution as a whole!

It's the logic that it's much harder to give someone something beneficial for free then take it away than to never give it to them in the first place. Once national healthcare is initiated, it will never be taken away. once we nationalize a company, a precedent will be set and the market will never be the same again. It's the principle of a parasite getting a little more, and a little more, and a little more, until you kill the host. it will lead, someday, to the ultimate failure of the United States.

I believe the biggest parasite is Fear!

And Obama's administration exploited it in this "crisis" just like Dubya's administration exploited 9/11. Nothing has changed. it's just a new thing to be afraid of.

Yes, we have traces of it. I agree that we will never be socialist or communist.

Well, nothing can ever be 100% anything. There has never in history been a 100% communist society because even in soviet russia and germany, people still occasionally traded amongst themselves if they felt their needs differed.

Not even close but nice try.