The Topic is a Philosophical one of Existence

Imagine that there is a conscious being. It is all that exists. This is being A.

Being A realizes that it can create other beings and thus creates being B.

Being B is a far lesser being than being A.

Being B depends on being A for its very existence and any sustenance it might require

What are the responsibilities between these beings?

Should being B worship being A and bow down to its every desire and command?

Does being A have any responsibility to be nice to being B?

If being B is lesser than being A can being A blame being B for being a lesser being?

What are your thoughts on the being of these beings?

Why should B worship A? There is no way that B could have asked A, therefore, B doesn't owe A anything. Moreover, A owes B an explanation at least for why he created him if A didn't really need B in the first place. Was A bored?

In typical fashion I am thinking as I type and have been known to walk myself around in a complete circle... I feel like I am on a slippery slope without any skis ...


If Being B was created by and of being A ... and being A is all that exists then it is also the totality of Being B (while Being B is just a piece of A) ... uhhh no pun intended...

From the perspective of Being A ... it is the all of Being B since Being A is all that exists ... it would not make sense that it required anything.

I imagine it more like Being A experiencing many simultaneous experiences of itself through Being B's

Responsibilities between the two ... what is the responsibility I have with my hand? Is it something I consciously think about? No, but I am pretty happy when I can suggest that my hand touches the bark of a tree so that the whole of me can experience it.

I doubt my hand worships me but I am very grateful that I have it.


Should being B worship being A and bow down to its every desire and command? I have a very odd vision of hand puppets now ...


Does being A have any responsibility to be nice to being B? Well if Being A is EVERYTHING... I am not sure what that leaves out ...


If being B is lesser than being A can being A blame being B for being a lesser being? It could but that would be silly ...

What are your thoughts on the being of these beings? BEING ... BE-ING



PS what is it with you Scientists and your A's and B's James? ... I've made myself cross-eyed

Well Artgurl, I’d have to say that your thoughts are my thoughts.

Hmmm? That’s odd.

I mean, our thoughts on being being the same.

I agree, that if A is all that exists, any beings B that being A might create can only be facets of A itself.

Yep, you’ve seen through the illusion of being.

Did Toto help you with this by pulling back a curtain?

Or did you just arrive at this because there’s no place else to go?

Yes, a real philosopher would have used P's and Q's.

I guess I'm just a facet of a philosopher.

A lesser philosophical be-ing.

Plus I'm currently taking a refresher course in Quantum Entanglement and Bell's Theorem. Lots of A's, B's, C's, and D's involved with this plus a few imaginary numbers.

Physics can often make philosophy seem like a vacation.

Agree. May-be even B can sue A, since by creating it, A had inflicted an incurable pain on B.

Yes,it would be ridiculous to worship for something you haven't asked for. Some flawed logic.

I wonder if A appreciates B making threads questioning A's authority over B

Why should B care about what A appreciates?

B didn't create A.

B has no responsibility toward A.

A is entirely responsible for B.

Not the other way around.

Where does 'authority' come into play?

Should we worship anyone who is in a position of authority no matter what their morals are?

Is authority the determining factor of why we should worship someone.

If Hitler had won WWII should we then worship him simply because he would have won a position of authority?

Why should authority itself demand worship or even respect?

Authority is basically nothing more than being a bully.

A bully being.

Like Peccy pointed out, B didn't ask to be a lesser-being slave.

Why should B accept that role wihtout question?

Maybe B doesn't want to be the slave of some arrogant authoritarian being?

Where's the consensual agreement?

How do we define abuse?

Shouldn't A have at least confronted B when B was created and ask B if B would like to play this game?

Shouldn't B have been given a choice?

Where does A get off demanding that B either obeys or suffers torture?

Would this not imply that A is an unfair demon?

Surely A must at least make sure that B understands the game and has ACCEPTED to play it before A can require anything from B.

Otherwise A would be a ruthless heartless dictator with no compassion whatsoever for B. Don'cha think?

Remember James ... I was the kid who was kicked out of Sunday School


Sunday School Teacher: You are all sinners!

Me-in my head thinking: but I haven't done anything wrong

Teacher: God loves you so much that he sent his son to die for your sins

Me - again in my head: my sins? what did I do? and what kind of a father would do that to his son?

Teacher: If you don't accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior then you will be cast into the eternal fires of hell ... ok maybe they didn't exactly say that ... but it felt like that to me ... I was terrified!

Me: in my head: I must be really bad and don't know it .... or this is wrong ...

later...

Teacher: God is good and wonderful. He created all of the birds and trees and rocks and you ... Everything you see is God's creation ... isn't it WONDERFUL!???

Me: mustering all my sinner's courage to raise my hand - I asked, 'ok so God created everything? Everything Everything?'

Teacher: yes everything, everything. What does that leave out?

Me: 'and God is good'

Teacher: Yes of course, very good

Me: So God created everything and everything is good?

Teacher: impatient nod

Me: So I am wondering what that leaves out

Teacher: You need more faith, please leave my classroom ...


I didn't need Toto James ... children always know the truth ... it just gets programmed out of them...

All those Being A's and Being B's had me wanting to draw pretty flowcharts in 3D technicolour or better yet ... adventure maps with rainbows and butterflies and waterfalls and buried treasure ...

...now where did I leave my unicycle? It has been awhile ...


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it's processing, being b is merely an extension of being a and can be viewed a part of a and as the sage says... "parts is parts"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTzLVIc-O5E

as i hear tell, all the parts is crammed into one big part and then the big part is cut into little pieces parts...and parts is parts.

I would think that A is quite amused by the pondering and exploration of its parts

Yes.

Teachers need more toddlers to teach the teachers toddler’s truths.

Exactly!

Druid?

Labels labels ancient fables teacher's toddlers know
Love must spring from what we bring if it's to ever grow

Roses' thorns appear as scorns but protectors be their charge
Those who think they're evil, neglect the splendor large

Teach the little children these misinterpretations
and when they grow the seeds they'll sow will obliterate the nations

~ Abra March 31, 2009

Being B was created by Being A, so you could argue that Being A has ownership over Being B.

As Being A was all that existed before B was created, so you could argue that he is entitled to call the shots, and make the rules. Maybe he is entitled to want Being B to worship him. Because he provides for Being B, he should at least be respected.

But if Being A gave Being B personal choice, and forgot to make Being B aware that Being A created him and sustains him(except maybe in a very ambiguos and questionable book), then if he doesnt get worshipped and respected its his own fault.

Agreed.

I would say both A and B need to get laid so they can think clearly the next day and be friends.

I heard C looks very attractive at times

I knew this was too simple.

So A creates B and C, and then tells B that to get laid by C is a SIN.

So then we have the SIN(B) + SIN(C) = A divided by infinity.

Is that it?