I listen in astonishment to all the crud about ‘illegals’ and ‘close the border’… and it makes my spirit sick.

We are supposed to be AMERICANS…

Mexicans are not all drug dealers and such… and THEY also are AMERICANS.

Much more important… They are humans AND neighbors…

I was born and raised in the western united states. I was taught that AMERICANS took care of their neighbors. I have traveled this country from sea to shining sea and so I know that other Americans were taught the same way.

What ever happened to the dream.

Or…

Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free,
The retched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, …

Recognize these words.

Do they actually mean anything or is it just an empty promise written in stone so the world can see the falseness till she crumbles to nothing?

Do we have the fortitude of our ancestors? I hope so… They built a great nation.

Do we have to allow armed idiots in… Our ancestors were a bit blunt bout things like that. (the red in the flag says it all).

Mexico is South America, not part of the UNITED States of America. Fine, let them in, but get them on the records to pay taxes and be known as citizens, be forced to carry insurance instead of me having to pay extra for uninsured motorist coverage. And THE USA is not a refuse bin, either. Our ancestors would NOT have put up with this crap. And they are not HOMELESS; they just WANT OURS.

How many of them have you talked to.

they don't want what you got...

they want the dream...

JUST LIKE YOUR ANCESTORS DID.

Thanks for the post Adventure, really should make us think about what this country has supposedly always stood for or at least what I was taught it stood for.

These are not Americans, my friend, that hunt the immigrants. If the times were different, and they were under the king's crown, they would fight for crumbles off his hand.

Whole American idea was that a human being has a right to pursue happiness, not because the constitution gives some of the humans this right, but because it is a natural right.

Texas was settled by people who ignored national borders, and believed that anyone is free to live where it fits him best.

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free,
The retched refuse of your teeming shore."

It is part of a poem by Emma Lazarus. It was inscribed on the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty in 1903. Ellis Island was at its height then. It refers to legal immigration - not illegal immigration.

America has Immigration Laws for a reason...

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/immigration

Why should we allow Mexicans NOT entering this Country LEGALLY to stay... and not Canadians?

Documentation is the key word here!

Work Visas are easily obtainable;

http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org


They should take the proper steps, just as most of my ancestors did (The rest are Native American) when they came from Europe.

Any reason that would deny a U. S. Citizen a job, should be applied to anyone wishing to live here, if they are denied a Visa, they shouldn't be here.

We have a right to know if people entering the U. S. have a prior Criminal History in their country...ie: Murder, Armed Robbery, Child Molester/Sexual Predator, History of Drug abuse, etc.


We're not talking about Religious Persecution here, just someone wishing to do better for themselves... They need to help clean up their own Country, help create jobs there, so that NAFTA will be profitable to all of North America,

we would all like the dream....but we have to pay taxes, have car insurance, have to do many things here that we don't want to do, but we do because it's the law and the taxes help the country. paying taxes on gas, groceries, cell phones, etc doesn't pay for everything that we have to pay for. like it or not it IS the law. times have changed since our ancestors

Geeesh my brain is firing sporadically this morning. Now thinking what I said in relation to this thread. I always loved that poem, winx. Guess that is the bleeding heart side of me, however I just realized that I am confused by the illegal with legal immigration.

Nogame says that immigration is not in the constitution, can anyone show me that it is?

This is starting to confuse me to no end, it's either my brain is not comprehending today it or there's just too damn much information out there that is conflicting and it's starting to make me nuts.

A friend found this for me:

US Constitution, Article 4, Section 4: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; James Madison: "When we are considering the advantages that may result from an easy mode of naturalization, we ought also to consider the cautions necessary to guard against abuses … aliens might acquire the right of citizenship, and return to the country from which they came, and evade the laws intended to encourage the commerce and industry of the real citizens and inhabitants of America, enjoying at the same time all the advantages of citizens…"


http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php#Immigration


Edit: For some reason the link isn't working but if you copy and paste it, it will work.

Thanks Winx. No comment until brain kicks in.. grin

The actuall name of the statue of liberty.

'Liberty, Enlightening the world'

How can we expect the world to accept that we truly believe in Life, Liberty... etc.

IF WE DENY THEIR RIGHT TO THE SAME THING.

Either it is a right(it does not say all americans it says ALL MEN are endowed...)yes a right (available to all in the world) or it is not... In which case we might as well scrap the constitution as a document of lies...Since we can't even back up our own words.

That applies to doing it the legal way. Not by invasion.

Legal immigration at that time was simply a matter of giving your name and walking into the US. and the poem is much more then the few lines everyone quotes...

Show proof, you could just walk right in without some sort of screening.
I believe you're blowin' smoke!

I don't think ANYONE is saying immigrants aren't welcomed. But get visas if you don't want to be a citizen. Many immigrants have done this for nothing it seems when people think it's ok for others to not. Other countries have immigrantion laws as well....times have changed and aren't the same as what our ancestors had. agree or not...it's the law

I am an american because some of my ancestors walked right in... I am an american because my family has put blood down for this country every time the call came...

I am an american because I believe in those rights that our founding fathers declared to be self evident.

more than 12 million European immigrants passed through its portal between 1892 and 1954. Newly-arrived immigrants were screened for health, and some were sent back to their homeland

Taken from the history of Ellis Island. Not all were accepted. They had to apply and be screened, if only for health, the ability to make it on their own and not a criminal.
Now, it's about the same. We should be protected from 3rd world diseases and criminals.

I agree that not everyone has the right to live here, because of certain situations. I applied to live in England and Australia..and I was denied in both countries!

I also believe most people that jump the borders is for them to do more harm than good. Look at all the murders going on on the U.S./Mexico border. These people want to jump, sell drugs, kill, and do whatever the f*** they want to. I say stand soldiers there and shoot at will.

They didn't just walk in. They went thru physicals and more on Ellis Island.

There is nothing wrong with going through the proper channels to be a citizen in this country. We have the right to identify the people that come here. We would be negligent if we did not do that, IMO.
Can you even imagine the chaos?

Constitution: US Constitution, Article 4, Section 4.