Topic: The Power of Will and the subconscious
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Sun 03/22/09 02:39 PM
Through all the ages man has believed in an invisible power, through which, and by which, all things have been created and are continually being recreated.

We may personalize this power and call it God, or we may think of it as the essence or spirit, which permeates all things, but in either case the effect is the same.

So far as the individual is concerned, the objective, the physical, the visible, is the personal that which can be recognized by the senses. It consists of body, brain and nerves. The subjective is the spiritual, the invisible, and the impersonal.

The personal is conscious because it is a personal entity. The impersonal being the same in kind and quality as all other. Being is not conscious of itself and has therefore been termed the sub-conscious.

The personal or conscious has the power of will and choice and can therefore exercise discrimination in the selection of methods whereby to bring about the solution of difficulties.

The impersonal or spiritual being a part or one with the source and origin of all power, can necessarily exercise no such choice, but on the contrary, it has infinite resources at its command. It can and does bring about results by methods concerning which the human or individual mind can have no possible conception.

You will therefore see that it is your privilege to depend upon the human will with all its limitations and misconceptions, or you may utilize the potentialities of Infinity by making use of the sub-conscious mind. Here then is the scientific explanation of the wonderful power which has been put within your control if you but understand, appreciate and recognize it.

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Sun 03/22/09 03:31 PM

Through all the ages man has believed in an invisible power, through which, and by which, all things have been created and are continually being recreated.

We may personalize this power and call it God, or we may think of it as the essence or spirit, which permeates all things, but in either case the effect is the same.

So far as the individual is concerned, the objective, the physical, the visible, is the personal that which can be recognized by the senses. It consists of body, brain and nerves. The subjective is the spiritual, the invisible, and the impersonal.

The personal is conscious because it is a personal entity. The impersonal being the same in kind and quality as all other. Being is not conscious of itself and has therefore been termed the sub-conscious.

The personal or conscious has the power of will and choice and can therefore exercise discrimination in the selection of methods whereby to bring about the solution of difficulties.

The impersonal or spiritual being a part or one with the source and origin of all power, can necessarily exercise no such choice, but on the contrary, it has infinite resources at its command. It can and does bring about results by methods concerning which the human or individual mind can have no possible conception.

You will therefore see that it is your privilege to depend upon the human will with all its limitations and misconceptions, or you may utilize the potentialities of Infinity by making use of the sub-conscious mind. Here then is the scientific explanation of the wonderful power which has been put within your control if you but understand, appreciate and recognize it.


To attempt to harness the sub-conscious or will the higher self to serve conscious desire seems to lead down the same path of discontent that limited conscious "thought" already experiences.

What then must be done? Little, if anything, ordered by conscious will seems to magically manifest. Must something click to release the conscious will from its never-ending barrage of demands? Is what releases us from this miserable insistence of having to have things go our way something Divine?

Or could it be as simple as acceptance of all that already is?

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Sun 03/22/09 04:43 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 03/22/09 04:45 PM
To attempt to harness the sub-conscious or will the higher self to serve conscious desire seems to lead down the same path of discontent that limited conscious "thought" already experiences.


Is this your personal experience or observation? Can you give an example?


What then must be done? Little, if anything, ordered by conscious will seems to magically manifest.


All that is manifest comes from thought and the conscious will, IMO, so I don't understand your statement.

Must something click to release the conscious will from its never-ending barrage of demands? Is what releases us from this miserable insistence of having to have things go our way something Divine?


If we could command things to 'go our way' then why not? We do have the power to do so, once you understand how it works. How it works IS the secret formula that everyone wants to learn.

Or could it be as simple as acceptance of all that already is?


Acceptance of all that already is, is just the starting point. From there, you have the power to change what is.

It is the power of NOW.

flowerforyou

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Sun 03/22/09 04:50 PM

Through all the ages man has believed in an invisible power, through which, and by which, all things have been created and are continually being recreated.

We may personalize this power and call it God, or we may think of it as the essence or spirit, which permeates all things, but in either case the effect is the same.

So far as the individual is concerned, the objective, the physical, the visible, is the personal that which can be recognized by the senses. It consists of body, brain and nerves. The subjective is the spiritual, the invisible, and the impersonal.

The personal is conscious because it is a personal entity. The impersonal being the same in kind and quality as all other. Being is not conscious of itself and has therefore been termed the sub-conscious.

The personal or conscious has the power of will and choice and can therefore exercise discrimination in the selection of methods whereby to bring about the solution of difficulties.

The impersonal or spiritual being a part or one with the source and origin of all power, can necessarily exercise no such choice, but on the contrary, it has infinite resources at its command. It can and does bring about results by methods concerning which the human or individual mind can have no possible conception.

You will therefore see that it is your privilege to depend upon the human will with all its limitations and misconceptions, or you may utilize the potentialities of Infinity by making use of the sub-conscious mind. Here then is the scientific explanation of the wonderful power which has been put within your control if you but understand, appreciate and recognize it.



:thumbsup: We create our own reality.:thumbsup:

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Mon 03/23/09 08:26 AM

To attempt to harness the sub-conscious or will the higher self to serve conscious desire seems to lead down the same path of discontent that limited conscious "thought" already experiences.


Is this your personal experience or observation? Can you give an example?


What then must be done? Little, if anything, ordered by conscious will seems to magically manifest.


All that is manifest comes from thought and the conscious will, IMO, so I don't understand your statement.

Must something click to release the conscious will from its never-ending barrage of demands? Is what releases us from this miserable insistence of having to have things go our way something Divine?


If we could command things to 'go our way' then why not? We do have the power to do so, once you understand how it works. How it works IS the secret formula that everyone wants to learn.

Or could it be as simple as acceptance of all that already is?


Acceptance of all that already is, is just the starting point. From there, you have the power to change what is.

It is the power of NOW.

flowerforyou


My experience has been that very little has come to me naturally when I've consciously attempted to force it. My will alone has had me bumping into countless dead ends. I think it's had to do with the fact that I had been fighting the reality I desperately wished to escape. Yes... Acceptance of all prior to envisioning the desire may have been the ticket on those occasions when things have gone "my way". Without acceptance, my conscious will can be like a tantruming toddler.


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Mon 03/23/09 10:34 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 03/23/09 10:36 AM


To attempt to harness the sub-conscious or will the higher self to serve conscious desire seems to lead down the same path of discontent that limited conscious "thought" already experiences.


Is this your personal experience or observation? Can you give an example?


What then must be done? Little, if anything, ordered by conscious will seems to magically manifest.


All that is manifest comes from thought and the conscious will, IMO, so I don't understand your statement.

Must something click to release the conscious will from its never-ending barrage of demands? Is what releases us from this miserable insistence of having to have things go our way something Divine?


If we could command things to 'go our way' then why not? We do have the power to do so, once you understand how it works. How it works IS the secret formula that everyone wants to learn.

Or could it be as simple as acceptance of all that already is?


Acceptance of all that already is, is just the starting point. From there, you have the power to change what is.

It is the power of NOW.

flowerforyou


My experience has been that very little has come to me naturally when I've consciously attempted to force it. My will alone has had me bumping into countless dead ends. I think it's had to do with the fact that I had been fighting the reality I desperately wished to escape. Yes... Acceptance of all prior to envisioning the desire may have been the ticket on those occasions when things have gone "my way". Without acceptance, my conscious will can be like a tantruming toddler.




You have not mastered the technique yet. People unknowingly create their own reality and then try to "escape" it, not understanding how they created it themselves.

What I do is accept what I have created and then I begin the process of changing it. (Or as some people call it uncreating it.)

If you are in the wrong place, with the wrong person, going down the wrong path, unhappy where you are, you will not be able to create anything new until you uncreate what you currently are living.

Change can be difficult but when it becomes necessary, that is the energy of the Tarot card "death." It is the end of the road. It is the 'dead end' that puts you in a rut. It points to forced change that might come to you out of necessity via the unconscious.

You don't 'force' things by the power of your will. You intend them. The will is the thing that decides to take action. It intends and it takes action. An intention is not "trying." It is determined to act or have. Failure is not an option. It finds a way.

flowerforyou

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Mon 03/23/09 10:42 AM




:thumbsup: We create our own reality.:thumbsup:


So, did I just create a poopy in my pants or did some invisible force, whether personal or impersonal cause it. Have I been preconditioned to love the foods that don't like me? Have I not been socially conditioned enough to not do this in public? Do the soci-economic stressors cause me to overwork and therefore be to tired to make it to the little room on time (and possibly irritate my gastro-intestinal tract?)

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Mon 03/23/09 11:14 AM
Edited by splendidlife on Mon 03/23/09 11:20 AM



To attempt to harness the sub-conscious or will the higher self to serve conscious desire seems to lead down the same path of discontent that limited conscious "thought" already experiences.


Is this your personal experience or observation? Can you give an example?


What then must be done? Little, if anything, ordered by conscious will seems to magically manifest.


All that is manifest comes from thought and the conscious will, IMO, so I don't understand your statement.

Must something click to release the conscious will from its never-ending barrage of demands? Is what releases us from this miserable insistence of having to have things go our way something Divine?


If we could command things to 'go our way' then why not? We do have the power to do so, once you understand how it works. How it works IS the secret formula that everyone wants to learn.

Or could it be as simple as acceptance of all that already is?


Acceptance of all that already is, is just the starting point. From there, you have the power to change what is.

It is the power of NOW.

flowerforyou


My experience has been that very little has come to me naturally when I've consciously attempted to force it. My will alone has had me bumping into countless dead ends. I think it's had to do with the fact that I had been fighting the reality I desperately wished to escape. Yes... Acceptance of all prior to envisioning the desire may have been the ticket on those occasions when things have gone "my way". Without acceptance, my conscious will can be like a tantruming toddler.




You have not mastered the technique yet. People unknowingly create their own reality and then try to "escape" it, not understanding how they created it themselves.

What I do is accept what I have created and then I begin the process of changing it. (Or as some people call it uncreating it.)

If you are in the wrong place, with the wrong person, going down the wrong path, unhappy where you are, you will not be able to create anything new until you uncreate what you currently are living.

Change can be difficult but when it becomes necessary, that is the energy of the Tarot card "death." It is the end of the road. It is the 'dead end' that puts you in a rut. It points to forced change that might come to you out of necessity via the unconscious.

You don't 'force' things by the power of your will. You intend them. The will is the thing that decides to take action. It intends and it takes action. An intention is not "trying." It is determined to act or have. Failure is not an option. It finds a way.

flowerforyou


I agree that I create my reality (and that we all create our own reality) and that I have not yet mastered "it".

Yes... I was told in school the huge power of setting intention. If run by ego, all words taught by others go out the window. Your words are welcomed and timely, JB.

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Mon 03/23/09 11:17 AM
there is no reality, for you are infinite, and your reality is not mine. :banana:

splendidlife's photo
Mon 03/23/09 11:18 AM
Edited by splendidlife on Mon 03/23/09 11:19 AM

:thumbsup: We create our own reality.:thumbsup:


So, did I just create a poopy in my pants or did some invisible force, whether personal or impersonal cause it. Have I been preconditioned to love the foods that don't like me? Have I not been socially conditioned enough to not do this in public? Do the soci-economic stressors cause me to overwork and therefore be to tired to make it to the little room on time (and possibly irritate my gastro-intestinal tract?)


Poop Humor for Comic Relief...

Thanks, Man.

TBRich's photo
Mon 03/23/09 11:19 AM

there is no reality, for you are infinite, and your reality is not mine. :banana:


Two realities which are infinite and yet have no intersection? What about the QM idea of non-local causation?

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Mon 03/23/09 11:27 AM




To attempt to harness the sub-conscious or will the higher self to serve conscious desire seems to lead down the same path of discontent that limited conscious "thought" already experiences.


Is this your personal experience or observation? Can you give an example?


What then must be done? Little, if anything, ordered by conscious will seems to magically manifest.


All that is manifest comes from thought and the conscious will, IMO, so I don't understand your statement.

Must something click to release the conscious will from its never-ending barrage of demands? Is what releases us from this miserable insistence of having to have things go our way something Divine?


If we could command things to 'go our way' then why not? We do have the power to do so, once you understand how it works. How it works IS the secret formula that everyone wants to learn.

Or could it be as simple as acceptance of all that already is?


Acceptance of all that already is, is just the starting point. From there, you have the power to change what is.

It is the power of NOW.

flowerforyou


My experience has been that very little has come to me naturally when I've consciously attempted to force it. My will alone has had me bumping into countless dead ends. I think it's had to do with the fact that I had been fighting the reality I desperately wished to escape. Yes... Acceptance of all prior to envisioning the desire may have been the ticket on those occasions when things have gone "my way". Without acceptance, my conscious will can be like a tantruming toddler.




You have not mastered the technique yet. People unknowingly create their own reality and then try to "escape" it, not understanding how they created it themselves.

What I do is accept what I have created and then I begin the process of changing it. (Or as some people call it uncreating it.)

If you are in the wrong place, with the wrong person, going down the wrong path, unhappy where you are, you will not be able to create anything new until you uncreate what you currently are living.

Change can be difficult but when it becomes necessary, that is the energy of the Tarot card "death." It is the end of the road. It is the 'dead end' that puts you in a rut. It points to forced change that might come to you out of necessity via the unconscious.

You don't 'force' things by the power of your will. You intend them. The will is the thing that decides to take action. It intends and it takes action. An intention is not "trying." It is determined to act or have. Failure is not an option. It finds a way.

flowerforyou


I agree that I create my reality (and that we all create our own reality) and that I have not yet mastered "it".

Yes... I was told in school the huge power of setting intention. If run by ego, all words taught by others go out the window. Your words are welcomed and timely, JB.


I don't think I have "mastered it" either, but I am starting to really understand it. To master it, takes practice and thought and then attention, energy and action.

Sometimes it just sounds like work. LOL. :tongue: laugh

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Mon 03/23/09 01:58 PM
Edited by splendidlife on Mon 03/23/09 02:20 PM


there is no reality, for you are infinite, and your reality is not mine. :banana:


Two realities which are infinite and yet have no intersection? What about the QM idea of non-local causation?


Are "events" or experiences ("realities) seemingly separated by time and space causality actually independent of one another?

I don’t think so…

The energy that holds the Universe together effects every speck of matter contained within. Why should we consider ourselves separate? Collectively, it's like we are all part of a giant organism (like a paramecium of Universal proportion). When one vacuole gets messed with, the entire organism gets affected. There could be constant (energetic) chain reactions that our mere 10% brain function could never decipher.

The challenge "modern" Psychology faces with fully grasping the phenomena of human interaction and what we deem to be "mental illness" comes, in part, from its reliance on prevailing Newtonian paradigm of cause-effect relationships, linear logic, and absolute order.

Quantum Mechanics is just beginning to offer explanations of "parallel" (unseen) possibility that, we pea-brains, can barely attempt to wrap ourselves around.

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Mon 03/23/09 02:00 PM
flowerforyou There are many parallel universesbigsmile

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Tue 03/24/09 06:30 PM
I'm not that much concerned with parallel universes or alternate realities or whether they exist or not. I am focusing more on how one can use the unconscious mind combined with the conscious will to find success, health and happiness in life.