ok...it's not all about you. i never said that and don't you dare put words in my mouth.

let's sum this up....

religion is the cause of the crimes you used as example. correct?
then explain how there are many people of the same religion that don't commit these crimes? if it is religion then they would ALL be out there doing those examples. but guess what....i have never even been in a fist fight and i was brought up in the church. it's hurts me more to see others hurt. i know many people like this

now reverse your theory....take non-religious (going back as far as nero). could the other side say they did these things because of lack of religion? nope

THAT is what i was saying...not that someone that doesn't believe is sick in the mind. wow sensative lately?

since not all non-religous people rape, kill, spread hate etc (same as those who believe in a religion) then it is not the religion or lack of. it is because the individual that does these things has mental problems. some stem from childhood or a traumatic event in their lives. but the point is that it's a mental issue NOT religion or lack of.

for it to be blamed on religion or lack of a believe....then all in the catagory would act out the same way

woo hoo!!!!! what did i win????

Some of the greatest unbalance involved in the making of a "sick mind" has its origins in the relentless thrust by society/family/individual (religious or not) to always HAVE to be "good". It shows up more in religion

In the running from our own negative aspects, without allowing them any expression whatsoever, we foster them to grow... We incubate them until, perhaps, all it takes is one perfect spark to fully ignite the "beast".

In this respect, we're all "sick".... It's human nature.

Even the non-religious are bound by ideals of stomping out ALL negative. This could be a root cause of most emotional pain.

interesting. i know a lot of people that have never learned to deal with their problems or fears...so they try to lock them in a closet and hope it disappears...but it never does. it resurfaces at some point

So, you will tell me not to put words in your mouth, and you're gonna turn around and put words in mine?


As I stated again, when someone does something in the name of "My God" then Religion is part of the problem, and the "they aren't true believers" argument doesn't fly.

When you look back through history, at all the people being called "not true believers" the only real logical answer to that is that no one is a true believer, and I have to ask, if no one is, why have religion at all.

you completelt ignored what i said and focused on one thing. what if i said i did something in the name of cookie monster. did cookie monster really tell me to???? is the cookie monster to be blamed or am i?

bTW...i didn't put words in your mouth....i summed up what I (ME MYSELF AND I) got from it

and i even asked you if that was correct (aka what you were trying to say)

religion is the cause of the crimes you used as example. correct?
then explain how there are many people of the same religion that don't commit these crimes? if it is religion then they would ALL be out there doing those examples. but guess what....i have never even been in a fist fight and i was brought up in the church. it's hurts me more to see others hurt. i know many people like this

now reverse your theory....take non-religious (going back as far as nero). could the other side say they did these things because of lack of religion? nope

THAT is what i was saying...not that someone that doesn't believe is sick in the mind. wow sensative lately?

since not all non-religous people rape, kill, spread hate etc (same as those who believe in a religion) then it is not the religion or lack of. it is because the individual that does these things has mental problems. some stem from childhood or a traumatic event in their lives. but the point is that it's a mental issue NOT religion or lack of.

for it to be blamed on religion or lack of a believe....then all in the catagory would act out the same way

You claim to not be here to argue, and prove your beliefs correct, yet I give you an answer you don't like, so you ask again, trying to get the one you want.

nope...there are times i do argue....for the most part it gets old.

and no you didn't answer me. i gave you answers and asked who is to blame for those not claiming a religion made them do it or athiests that commit awful things.

i gave good reasons for ALL sides. it's not about religion or lack of religion....it's about the person themselves

so again....what reason do you have to explain Nero...or the ex's dad?

Thats a science book. And what are "non believers"? What if you believe aliens created us or that we came from elsewhere? What does that make a person?

Satan made them do it.

lol love it

ok....who taught Thomas how to paste pictures in here??? like a kid in a candy store i tell ya

what i call non-believers are people who don't believe in anything at all.

if you believe in aliens...then you would be a believer. when i use believers...i refer to anyone that believes in something of a higher power of sorts....it's a general term to me

brb...gonna kick thomas in the butt

No one wants a pic of that.