Topic: how much gold
think2deep's photo
Mon 03/16/09 08:17 AM
Edited by think2deep on Mon 03/16/09 08:23 AM
1981: When President Ronald Reagan took office, his conservative friends suggested to him that he return to a gold standard. President Reagan appointed a group of men called the, "Gold Commission," to undertake a feasibility study. 1982 President Reagan's, "Gold Commission," reports back to Congress "The U. S. Treasury owned no gold at all. All the gold that was left in Fort Knox was now owned by the Federal Reserve, a group of private bankers, as collateral against the National Debt."

think about it, our debt we owe to the federal reserve is over 54 trillion dollars and i'm sure by now that it's way over that. our dollar is only worth 4 cents of what it did in 1913. that's a 96% drop in 96 years. gold still is worth exactly the same as it was in 1913 it's value hasn't ever changed in world history. it's price changes but that's because our dollar is devaluating and it takes more money to buy the same amount of gold.

catwoman96's photo
Mon 03/16/09 08:18 AM

i think people aren't realizing that the bankers that started the evil federal reserve were zionists and the ones who run it now are zionists. ben bernanke is a zionist. this is what the zionists say in the protocols.



THIS HATRED WILL BE STILL FURTHER MAGNIFIED BY THE EFFECTS of an ECONOMIC CRISES, which will stop dealing on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to us and WITH THE AID OF GOLD, WHICH IS ALL IN OUR HANDS,
A UNIVERSAL ECONOMIC CRISES WHEREBY WE SHALL THROW UPON THE STREETS WHOLE MOBS OF WORKERS SIMULTANEOUSLY IN ALL THE COUNTRIES OF EUROPE. These mobs will rush delightedly to shed the blood of those whom, in the simplicity of their ignorance, they have envied from their cradles, and whose property they will then be able to loot.

are the zionist the root to all our problems?????or just all of your problems?????

you seem to think the zionist are involved with everything in this world.
maybe they conspire against you, and that makes you feel threatened by their presence.


catwoman96's photo
Mon 03/16/09 08:20 AM
i personally just think its the bankers.

think2deep's photo
Mon 03/16/09 08:27 AM


i think people aren't realizing that the bankers that started the evil federal reserve were zionists and the ones who run it now are zionists. ben bernanke is a zionist. this is what the zionists say in the protocols.



THIS HATRED WILL BE STILL FURTHER MAGNIFIED BY THE EFFECTS of an ECONOMIC CRISES, which will stop dealing on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to us and WITH THE AID OF GOLD, WHICH IS ALL IN OUR HANDS,
A UNIVERSAL ECONOMIC CRISES WHEREBY WE SHALL THROW UPON THE STREETS WHOLE MOBS OF WORKERS SIMULTANEOUSLY IN ALL THE COUNTRIES OF EUROPE. These mobs will rush delightedly to shed the blood of those whom, in the simplicity of their ignorance, they have envied from their cradles, and whose property they will then be able to loot.

are the zionist the root to all our problems?????or just all of your problems?????

you seem to think the zionist are involved with everything in this world.
maybe they conspire against you, and that makes you feel threatened by their presence.




people in other countries all over the world believe it too. and yes, they have kept this thing going for a couple thousand years. it started in babylon where they learned how to start this fractional reserve type banking. i could explain it to you but you sound like you don't wanna know.

you have to understand who the first bankers were to understand who these people that control countries with money really are.

catwoman96's photo
Mon 03/16/09 08:28 AM



i think people aren't realizing that the bankers that started the evil federal reserve were zionists and the ones who run it now are zionists. ben bernanke is a zionist. this is what the zionists say in the protocols.



THIS HATRED WILL BE STILL FURTHER MAGNIFIED BY THE EFFECTS of an ECONOMIC CRISES, which will stop dealing on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to us and WITH THE AID OF GOLD, WHICH IS ALL IN OUR HANDS,
A UNIVERSAL ECONOMIC CRISES WHEREBY WE SHALL THROW UPON THE STREETS WHOLE MOBS OF WORKERS SIMULTANEOUSLY IN ALL THE COUNTRIES OF EUROPE. These mobs will rush delightedly to shed the blood of those whom, in the simplicity of their ignorance, they have envied from their cradles, and whose property they will then be able to loot.

are the zionist the root to all our problems?????or just all of your problems?????

you seem to think the zionist are involved with everything in this world.
maybe they conspire against you, and that makes you feel threatened by their presence.




people in other countries all over the world believe it too. and yes, they have kept this thing going for a couple thousand years. it started in babylon where they learned how to start this fractional reserve type banking. i could explain it to you but you sound like you don't wanna know.

you have to understand who the first bankers were to understand who these people that control countries with money really are.
you just avoided the questions i asked you. of course i wanna know and learn more. but i asked you questions and you avoid them. please let me know your knowledge, but first answer my questions.flowerforyou

think2deep's photo
Mon 03/16/09 08:29 AM


i think people aren't realizing that the bankers that started the evil federal reserve were zionists and the ones who run it now are zionists. ben bernanke is a zionist. this is what the zionists say in the protocols.



THIS HATRED WILL BE STILL FURTHER MAGNIFIED BY THE EFFECTS of an ECONOMIC CRISES, which will stop dealing on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to us and WITH THE AID OF GOLD, WHICH IS ALL IN OUR HANDS,
A UNIVERSAL ECONOMIC CRISES WHEREBY WE SHALL THROW UPON THE STREETS WHOLE MOBS OF WORKERS SIMULTANEOUSLY IN ALL THE COUNTRIES OF EUROPE. These mobs will rush delightedly to shed the blood of those whom, in the simplicity of their ignorance, they have envied from their cradles, and whose property they will then be able to loot.

are the zionist the root to all our problems?????or just all of your problems?????

you seem to think the zionist are involved with everything in this world.
maybe they conspire against you, and that makes you feel threatened by their presence.




if you knew what i know right now, it wouldn't sound as far fetched to you. honestly. but i can see that you are going to close your mind to it instead of asking me to show you. in fact, because you chose to make a statement like the one above, i'm not going to show you.

think2deep's photo
Mon 03/16/09 08:30 AM




i think people aren't realizing that the bankers that started the evil federal reserve were zionists and the ones who run it now are zionists. ben bernanke is a zionist. this is what the zionists say in the protocols.



THIS HATRED WILL BE STILL FURTHER MAGNIFIED BY THE EFFECTS of an ECONOMIC CRISES, which will stop dealing on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to us and WITH THE AID OF GOLD, WHICH IS ALL IN OUR HANDS,
A UNIVERSAL ECONOMIC CRISES WHEREBY WE SHALL THROW UPON THE STREETS WHOLE MOBS OF WORKERS SIMULTANEOUSLY IN ALL THE COUNTRIES OF EUROPE. These mobs will rush delightedly to shed the blood of those whom, in the simplicity of their ignorance, they have envied from their cradles, and whose property they will then be able to loot.

are the zionist the root to all our problems?????or just all of your problems?????

you seem to think the zionist are involved with everything in this world.
maybe they conspire against you, and that makes you feel threatened by their presence.




people in other countries all over the world believe it too. and yes, they have kept this thing going for a couple thousand years. it started in babylon where they learned how to start this fractional reserve type banking. i could explain it to you but you sound like you don't wanna know.

you have to understand who the first bankers were to understand who these people that control countries with money really are.
you just avoided the questions i asked you. of course i wanna know and learn more. but i asked you questions and you avoid them. please let me know your knowledge, but first answer my questions.flowerforyou



those aren't questions, they are accusations. i don't respond well to what i think are unfair accusations.

catwoman96's photo
Mon 03/16/09 08:43 AM
i just need proof......and i have no proof.

its making my head hurt to look at things.....and not be able to find exact proof.

sick of opinions....even my own.

i want proof

think2deep's photo
Mon 03/16/09 09:01 AM
Edited by think2deep on Mon 03/16/09 09:19 AM

i just need proof......and i have no proof.

its making my head hurt to look at things.....and not be able to find exact proof.

sick of opinions....even my own.

i want proof


proof is not so easy. mainly because it's hidden in bribes everywhere. to start off, i want you to visualize what it would be like to own all of the money in the world. who's laws would you have to follow? if you owned the currency you'd follow no man's law.


"give me the currency of a country and i care not who makes it's laws"
amschel rothschild, co-founder of the federal reserve



when you own a country's currency, you might as well be the next one down from god. and the funny thing is now if you own the currency, you can own and control through bribes even those who preach for god.

this is what has been the basis for control in every country in the history of the world. even rome got dragged down because of this fake money system, the same one that is dragging us down today.

this is what it says in the protocols about why man's greed will always make the owner of the currency the winner every time.

"It must be noted that men with bad instincts are more in number than the good, and therefore the best results in governing them are attained by violence and terrorisation, and not by academic discussions. Every man aims at power, everyone would like to become a dictator if only he could, and rare indeed are the men who would not be willing to sacrifice the welfare of all for the sake of securing their own welfare."



"Our triumph has been rendered easier by the fact that in our relations with the men, whom we wanted, we have always worked upon the most sensitive chords of the human mind, upon the cash account, upon the cupidity, upon the insatiability for material needs of man; and each one of these human weaknesses, taken alone, is sufficient to paralyze initiative, for it hands over the will of men to the disposition of him who has bought their activities."


in other words, man is greedy and for a tidy sum will be a slave to the one who pays/bribes him. loyalties lie with whom pays us.



the federal reserve can't go broke, did you know that?


this is what david rockefeller, co owner of the federal reserve wrote in his book 'memoirs' on page 405 (john d rockefeller is co-founder of the federal reserve)

“For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."


ROCKEFELLER OWNS PART OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE!!!!!


the rockefellers have been into everything. i'll find a list of all of the rockefeller organizations, but i can tell you he founded the infamous CFR that everyone that has been involved with 9/11 and the war on terror have been members of.


Fanta46's photo
Mon 03/16/09 09:26 AM
U.S. Bullion Depository (Gold Vault)
Question: Is there any gold in the Gold Depository?
Answer: According to US Treasury information there is approximately 5,051 tons of gold stored at Fort Knox. The value of gold fluctuates daily as the price of the world's gold bullion changes. Currently the value of the gold in the vault is approximately $1 billion dollars. There are other things beside gold stored at Fort Knox. During World War II, the Gold Vault protected the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Also three volumes of the Gutenberg Bible, original copies of Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, also large quantities of industrial diamonds and other substances are stored at the Vault.


Question: When was the Gold Vault built?
Answer: The Gold Vault was built in 1935 to protect the Nation's gold during a time of growing world turmoil. Fort Knox, a small Army post then, was chosen for two reasons-its location, behind the mountains (less vulnerable to air attack) and its military support. Although not located on Fort Knox, the vault sits on Treasury Department land adjacent to the post. The gold was transported to the vault in early 1936, the local gold train schedules were printed in the local papers and people came down to the station to watch the gold being unloaded from the trains. Local labor was used to load the gold from trucks into the vault.


Question: Can you visit the Gold Vault?
Answer: The Gold Vault is NOT open to the public. Only employees and Treasury Department Officials can visit the Vault. Since 9/11 there are no photographs allowed of the Vault as it is considered current security. On September 23, 1974, government officials opened the vault to about 100 reporters and 12 Congressmen. This open house was held to dispel persistent rumors that the vaults were empty. Currently it takes a Presidential order to allow anyone to see the inside of the Vault.


Question: Has anyone ever broken into the Gold Vault?
Answer: Contrary to popular belief there has never been any attempts at a robbery. The greatest barrier to any would-be thief is the weight of the gold, the tonnage would require more time and manpower than anything short of an invading army could muster. Even Eric Von Goldfinger didn't want to steal the gold, he wanted to make it radioactive so his gold would be worth more.


Question: Where else in America is gold stored?
Answer: Although Fort Knox holds the largest amount of the Nation's gold supply there is gold also stored at the twelve Federal Reserve Banks, in West Point N.Y., and at the Denver, Philadelphia and San Francisco Mints.


http://www.radclifftourism.org/faqs.shtml

Fanta46's photo
Mon 03/16/09 09:27 AM
On September 23, 1974, government officials opened the vault to about 100 reporters and 12 Congressmen. This open house was held to dispel persistent rumors that the vaults were empty. Currently it takes a Presidential order to allow anyone to see the inside of the Vault.

think2deep's photo
Mon 03/16/09 09:44 AM

On September 23, 1974, government officials opened the vault to about 100 reporters and 12 Congressmen. This open house was held to dispel persistent rumors that the vaults were empty. Currently it takes a Presidential order to allow anyone to see the inside of the Vault.



these same congressmen were upset because they couldn't inspect any of the so-called gold to see if it truly is gold. but that doesn't matter, it could have been real as gold can be. it doesn't mean that it still belongs to us americans.

this paragraph should show this:

1981: When President Ronald Reagan took office, his conservative friends suggested to him that he return to a gold standard. President Reagan appointed a group of men called the, "Gold Commission," to undertake a feasibility study. 1982 President Reagan's, "Gold Commission," reports back to Congress "The U. S. Treasury owned no gold at all. All the gold that was left in Fort Knox was now owned by the Federal Reserve, a group of private bankers, as collateral against the National Debt."

damn fanta, atleast keep up with where we are at so far instead of pulling us back.

plus, i understand that you grabbed that article from somewhere to show us what it says but there is one thing in this article that you should realize is a bit of a non truth:

The value of gold fluctuates daily as the price of the world's gold bullion changes


value of gold never fluctuates, not ever. the value of gold stays solid. the value of the money paid for the gold fluctuates therby causeing the price to fluxuate. when the money devaluates, it takes more dollars to pay for the ounce of gold. when the value of the money increases, it takes less dollars to buy that ounce of gold. the gold value doesn't sway.




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Mon 03/16/09 09:50 AM

nogames39's photo
Mon 03/16/09 10:28 AM
See, you just needed some government propaganda. Don't worry, everything is just fine.

You can't see the gold because you're a slave, but never mind that.


Hahaha..... Beats me how people just come out with their favorite propaganda piece running and tripping over themselves: see! The government said this and that, don't worry!


Q.
What did this F. government have said right before this "crisis" began?

A.
The government said that the US Economy is in it's best shape ever, and that the housing market is expected to appreciate.

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Mon 03/16/09 10:37 AM
Edited by nogames39 on Mon 03/16/09 10:38 AM

huh i dont know if Ft knox has gold or not.


i was watching tv...and i saw this commerical asking people to sell their gold. bring your gold in for cash.
Ive been hearing the same advertisment on my local radio station also.

It got me curious. the gov is broke. people are broke as heck right now....and when your hungry that gold necklace (even if its your great grandmas or any gold collectibles) doesnt do your hunger pains any good.


hence I was thinking about gold. and its worth. and who want its. and what they use it for.

somewhere.......their IS gold


That's right, pay attention to the commercials. This is the only tip the people now have. But, do exactly the opposite. Remember that the government always tell their relatives what will happen. Their relatives then will act on this information. In this case, they want you to sell your jewelry.

Why? Because they know that those holding dollars will be left with nothing. They also know that the ones who might benefit the most from saved jewelry are retired old people. Knowing that, they still offer to buy that gold, without any explanations, without as much as giving them a hint. Got to have no heart, I think.

So, pay attention and DO opposite of what they say.Here, I am speaking no only about gold. Something else.

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Mon 03/16/09 02:43 PM
Edited by catwoman96 on Mon 03/16/09 02:46 PM
okay...so the market is being completly manipulated.

the price of the dollar is what worth a snickers bar today? and tmrw maybe half a snickers bar??


IF the people realized, I mean somebody important realized and spoke on behalf of the people.........

couldnt the federal reserve be overturned and all this stopped?
the fed governemnt is tied to the federal reserve though right?
everything is tied to the federal reserve. This is the root of evil and corruption.

explode explode explode

i jsut dont understand how people cant be more upset about all this. and demand that an actual audit be done.

we have no power. none at all. flowerforyou flowerforyou frustrated frustrated frustrated


yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/16/09 02:46 PM
I thought a group of people stole all the gold while playing simon says games with a police detective and a citizen....

or was that a movie????

catwoman96's photo
Mon 03/16/09 02:54 PM

I thought a group of people stole all the gold while playing simon says games with a police detective and a citizen....

or was that a movie????


flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou
maybe we are the ones being fed a game of simon says.

and BRUCE WILLIS ISNT HERE!!!!!!:cry: :cry:

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/16/09 02:56 PM


I thought a group of people stole all the gold while playing simon says games with a police detective and a citizen....

or was that a movie????


flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou
maybe we are the ones being fed a game of simon says.

and BRUCE WILLIS ISNT HERE!!!!!!:cry: :cry:



by george you got it!!!!

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Mon 03/16/09 03:11 PM
Edited by think2deep on Mon 03/16/09 03:15 PM

okay...so the market is being completly manipulated.

the price of the dollar is what worth a snickers bar today? and tmrw maybe half a snickers bar??


IF the people realized, I mean somebody important realized and spoke on behalf of the people.........

couldnt the federal reserve be overturned and all this stopped?
the fed governemnt is tied to the federal reserve though right?
everything is tied to the federal reserve. This is the root of evil and corruption.

explode explode explode

i jsut dont understand how people cant be more upset about all this. and demand that an actual audit be done.

we have no power. none at all. flowerforyou flowerforyou frustrated frustrated frustrated






couldnt the federal reserve be overturned and all this stopped?
the fed governemnt is tied to the federal reserve though right?
everything is tied to the federal reserve. This is the root of evil and corruption.



cat, john f kennedy did stop the federal reserve. he signed an executive order 11110 on June 4, 1963 to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. In all, Kennedy brought nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications of this bill are enormous.

to read more about this you can go here http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/executiveorder11110.htm



he got shot on 22 November 1963. compare this to the date he stopped the federal reserve.



assassinated the federal reserve: June 4, 1963
date he got assassinated: november 22, 1963


that's a matter of 5 months.

this might not seem like anything yet but watch this.

after jfk's death, johnson came into office and stopped the issuance of the silver certificate. the federal reserve stayed in it's place and the federal reserve notes stayed in circulation.


and there has not been another president since then that would want to challenge the federal reserve. they tend to like living.:wink:

oh btw. that executive order is still in place and in effect, but no one has the guts to issue it again and enforce it.