Topic: suffering
splendidlife's photo
Fri 03/13/09 06:49 PM
If kind, pitying words of loved ones around me can't inspire me to get off my ass and look at what misery I, myself, have created, haven't they really just been tip-toeing around, allowing me to continue in my life's sleep-walk?

Rob2882's photo
Fri 03/13/09 06:49 PM

very true. i just try to be there for others when i can. there are times i felt i wish someone could be there for me (even though at the time...there were but couldn't see it)

what about a stranger?


I'm actualy that gulible to where I would help a stranger.

Unless I knew for a fact it was a bunch of **** eyed balony.

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 03/13/09 06:53 PM

If kind, pitying words of loved ones around me can't inspire me to get off my ass and look at what misery I, myself, have created, haven't they really just been tip-toeing around, allowing me to continue in my life's sleep-walk?


maybe the pain killers are hitting me now lol
can you explain this more?

splendidlife's photo
Fri 03/13/09 06:58 PM
Edited by splendidlife on Fri 03/13/09 07:00 PM
In this agreement, where no one takes a stand for a friend by risking getting spit on for telling how they see their friend actually creating their own misery, there's absolutely no freedom. By insisting that only good words are helpful, a whole other universe of understanding gets truncated. We dumb each other down and wonder why we feel half-dead.

If you agree to *****-foot around my bull-sh1t, I'll agree to do the same with you... We are no "good" to each other.


yellowrose10's photo
Fri 03/13/09 06:59 PM
i tend to tell it like it is (more so in person lol)

i will still help people

davidben1's photo
Fri 03/13/09 07:04 PM

very true. i just try to be there for others when i can. there are times i felt i wish someone could be there for me (even though at the time...there were but couldn't see it)

what about a stranger?


you hit the nail on the head with your own statement...."because i wished there was someone there for me at times"...

this thinking, followed, will allow anything to be tricked, by many things seeking compasssion, as it is indeed the "friends episode" you speak of, as seeking to do good, and have compassion, because it is what self wish to have, and did not have???

only when one see, and face, all it's own negative, as ITSELF CREATED, AND NO OTHER ARE BLAMED, can one see past this veil, that make any do gooder get screwed, and wonder why good is not coming back to itself, and it does not allow anything to see how itself is creating what is not most good.

if self do it, because it is what self want back, IT IS DELUSION, is the very best policy of the wise brain.

davidben1's photo
Fri 03/13/09 07:08 PM

In this agreement, where no one takes a stand for a friend by risking getting spit on for telling how they see their friend actually creating their own misery, there's absolutely no freedom. By insisting that only good words are helpful, a whole other universe of understanding gets truncated. We dumb each other down and wonder why we feel half-dead.

If you agree to *****-foot around my bull-sh1t, I'll agree to do the same with you... We are no "good" to each other.




indeed, a women that see's true wisdom, and into where there are no horizons, or limitation's of true bliss and good.

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 03/13/09 07:08 PM
the thing is....when i was at rock bottom....here were people there for me but i wouldn't see it because of what i was going through

looking back...i'm very lucky to have a caring family and friends.

maybe it's wanting to give back to others....i don't know

Totage's photo
Fri 03/13/09 07:09 PM

without judging what others would do...I would like to know how people here handle someone suffering. whether it's physical, emotional, mental etc.

I know I pray and try to do what I can to help. I know I can't fix the suffering of people.

what do you do? do you send good thoughts? advice?


Prayer, for them and prayer for me, that I may help them, if it be Gods will.

Rob2882's photo
Fri 03/13/09 07:11 PM

the thing is....when i was at rock bottom....here were people there for me but i wouldn't see it because of what i was going through

looking back...i'm very lucky to have a caring family and friends.

maybe it's wanting to give back to others....i don't know


I myself was in the same boat a long while ago. Though now I find myself on the opposite side of that with soime of my friends now, though most of their problems are moire family oriented.

no photo
Fri 03/13/09 07:12 PM

In this agreement, where no one takes a stand for a friend by risking getting spit on for telling how they see their friend actually creating their own misery, there's absolutely no freedom. By insisting that only good words are helpful, a whole other universe of understanding gets truncated. We dumb each other down and wonder why we feel half-dead.

If you agree to *****-foot around my bull-sh1t, I'll agree to do the same with you... We are no "good" to each other.




This is very true. Sometimes the help comes in the form of forthrightness. Those kind of words, from my friends to me when needed, are much more appreciated than the standard "everything is going to be ok" stuff.


yellowrose10's photo
Fri 03/13/09 07:14 PM
i may not like to hear the truth but the truth is something i can work with. i don't like people saying it will be ok. most people they say that to aren't in a frame of mind to hear that anyway.

sometimes being blunt will drive it home. they may not like it but they might at least think about it

davidben1's photo
Fri 03/13/09 07:21 PM
if there is true intent and truth, when peering into self, then it is clearly seen, nothing could ever be mad at another, that it gave to, for not doing as it wish, unless it gave with some expection, and a expectation show it was not what self actually WANTED TO DO BECAUSE IT JUST WANTED TO, but to create some good, for itself.

does not each most have the inclination to only do good, if it is seen as good by other's, and deemed as good by some moral code, but truly, anything that does not want and relish, and embrace all it's own consequence's, all it's own negative's, as self induced, will always be willing to allow injustice to overwhelm itself and other's, as it still has fear of it's own deeds, that itself has never fully faced, and conquered.

such has been reckoned on "one own demons", and truly, without facing and accepting all these with "bring it on", i am not running nor hiding, can never yet have peace nor satisfaction from or in anything.

wonder why it was said, facing the truth, of self, without allowing any other in the picture of reality of self, set anything free, lol...

of course, there is always some notion that other's are to give self what it want, and what itself think will make itself happy, and what help spare itself, and this notion is the most insideous destroyer of all that is good for any living thing.

peace unto peace

splendidlife's photo
Fri 03/13/09 07:36 PM
Edited by splendidlife on Fri 03/13/09 07:39 PM
The gift is when I'm NOT given what I want... No more placating, numbing/dumbing scoobie snacks to block me from the whole picture of this self-created house O' cards... and the beauty beyond it.

davidben1's photo
Fri 03/13/09 07:36 PM
learning, and more, and better, is a moving ladder, and there is never any constant good, as the voice of self, that tell self with each word, and each action, what is better, is not condemnation, but only for admittance, agreement, and if self duly admit anything, with it's heart, self is but a reminder to self, each time self break it's own truth???

self is but a self correcting type writer, carrying self to better and more each second, and only what does not listen to it's own self, will despise and hate to be told anything but flattery.

to listen to self as it correct self, and but ONLY AGREE, with thanks to self, for helping self, and NEVER seeking to DO IT, as it is only AGREEMENT TO WHAT IS BETTER, that bring it into existence without willed effort, as willed effort, drag the brian to pit's of despair, and make it unwittingly, seek out each pot hole in the road of life.

why it was spoken to NEVER SAY NEVER, AS SELF MAKE ITSELF A CAPTIVE TO ITSELF.

the brain is a bubble, in a level, and willed GOOD, force the self to the opposite side of the bubble, the opposite state it seek, so only neutral, relaxed, no expectation, carry into peace.

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 03/13/09 07:45 PM

The gift is when I'm NOT given what I want... No more placating, numbing/dumbing scoobie snacks to block me from the whole picture of this self-created house O' cards... and the beauty beyond it.


what doesn't kill ya makes ya stronger???

i do believe that IMO. although i think by now i would be super woman by now laugh

davidben1's photo
Fri 03/13/09 07:51 PM


The gift is when I'm NOT given what I want... No more placating, numbing/dumbing scoobie snacks to block me from the whole picture of this self-created house O' cards... and the beauty beyond it.


what doesn't kill ya makes ya stronger???

i do believe that IMO. although i think by now i would be super woman by now laugh


well, a hatchet in the head, from one that one sought to help, or a child molester invited to dinner with one's child, is the goal, to make stronger???

wisdom make one stronger, anything else, destroy???

it is only but a false believe in the brain, left, that can produce anything but what is not most good.

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 03/13/09 07:54 PM



The gift is when I'm NOT given what I want... No more placating, numbing/dumbing scoobie snacks to block me from the whole picture of this self-created house O' cards... and the beauty beyond it.


what doesn't kill ya makes ya stronger???

i do believe that IMO. although i think by now i would be super woman by now laugh


well, a hatchet in the head, from one that one sought to help, or a child molester invited to dinner with one's child, is the goal, to make stronger???

wisdom make one stronger, anything else, destroy???

it is only but a false believe in the brain, left, that can produce anything but what is not most good.



ummmm i'm pretty sure i won't be inviting a child molester to dinner.

i get wisdom from learning from others and my past mistakes and achievements. wisdom can be found in many places.

i won't be leaping tall buildings in a single bound though....my toe is broken AND i'm scared of heights lol

splendidlife's photo
Fri 03/13/09 08:08 PM
Edited by splendidlife on Fri 03/13/09 08:08 PM


The gift is when I'm NOT given what I want... No more placating, numbing/dumbing scoobie snacks to block me from the whole picture of this self-created house O' cards... and the beauty beyond it.


what doesn't kill ya makes ya stronger???

i do believe that IMO. although i think by now i would be super woman by now laugh


Aren't you super woman?

If you say you should be by now, you must not yet know that you already are. flowers

How about that misery of living in constant expectation of another... how about all those times of feeling deeply hurt and disappointed by a perceived lack of reciprocation? This was prevalent especially in my "love" life.

Living in the clutches of expectation of another more than the actual "let-down" has caused the greater misery. The "let-down" is like a speck of dust compared to the tyrant in self, constantly demanding "it" not ever be let down.

Oh, to be free of that enslavement!

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 03/13/09 08:13 PM
hun....trust me...been there and done that !!!

if you only knew about my recent ummmmm mess lol

i have had terrible things in my life....can't change the past....only learn from it.

it's not easy i know...sometimes it helps me (like very recently) for people to kick me in the butt or something to get me to snap out of things. i'm hard headed and the nice caring words don't always help....it does soothe me at times but someone yelling at me to snap out of it wakes me up

no....i was super woman but i think davidben stole my cape laugh