Yes, and it works both ways. On one side, yes, all will have access to the same medical treatment. But, here is the other side of the coin: If you work you ass off and are making say half a mil, your medical treatment is going to be just the same as the treatment in the clinic for the poor.

Comparatively, we can be certain that while a quality of medical treatment of poor will be barely elevated relative to that observed today if at all, this may only come at the expense of lowering the quality of treatment for those who used to pay for it, very significantly.

Now, you may or may not like the idea. But this is because you expect a somewhat good quality treatment. In reality, such is impossible to achieve. If it was possible, then it would already be possible without nationalizing. In a matter of few years, the quality of treatment will become awful, everyone will hate our doctors as the masses will perceive them to be the problem of course, and the rich, well, they will simply go for the treatment to where the good doctors will flee, - overseas.

So, the end result will be huge taxes, awful care, and loss of domestic employment for talented doctors and other medical professionals.

This will not, in any way, stop those supporting socialized medicine now, from claiming that it was nothing but the lack of socialism, that have resulted in this situation I have just drawn for you. You can see the parallels in socialists claiming that it was nothing but the lack of socialism, that have resulted in current lack of domestic employment in production. Of course, lest we forget, the reason for it lies squarely with minimum wage laws, employment regulations, unions, safety laws, zoning laws, as all those who now owns foreign factories can tell us.

Can you tell me what you mean "zero taxes"? I didn't know that.

90%, dont quote me on that, of all medical bills in America is spent on corrective medical procedures.
Why?
Because Americans can not afford to visit a Dr, until they were forced to go because their ailment had advanced.
Why?
Because the companies they work for
dont pay them enough to afford decent health coverage!

Instead these companies, (employers),
effectively shuffle the cost onto the tax-payer, (patient),
and the Drs and hospitals who end up without reimbursment for services.

It has been proven that providing preventative care,
would diagnose the problem early and
treat it early enough to save "boo coo" bucks,
to both insurance companies and patients.

Everyone would be healthier, and many unpaid medical expenses would be lifted from the Drs and hospitals books.
These savings alone
would enable hiring of more medical personnel, (creating jobs), buying better equipment,and
pay a good part of the cost of the program.
(what you think would be bankrupting the system.)

ok..ima respond more in the am.

first..private funded hospitals are teax exempt...
meaning we provide a service to the community via health and also learning (hence..university "teaching hospitals") that enables us to pay ZERO taxes. tax exempt..im sure y'all know what thats about. (given its usually for the poor not for a multi MILLION $ buisness)

second) corrective procedures..omg..thats the only reason an y of us seek healthcare. you passed your baby well checks after the age of one!

and fanta, you are right...if you dont say take your pills, do your chemo, radiation, surgery, whateva the doc orders....you will get sicker.

preventive care...what is this? lifestyle changes???

great...go to mcdonalds tmrw...see how many of their customers are either taking a antihypertensive or a diabetic med.

do you really think their DOCTOR or hosptial can make them NOT go to mcdoanlds. to exercise and eat healthy???

omg..prevantive care is FREEEEEEEEEEE

again, fanta, no games...i skimmed your posts, (and tried to adress..im not the smartest..but serisouly.im medical and you guys arent. you teach me.so if i can tell you anything abouyt my BUISNESS>..lemme know) im sleepy..i will read tmrw.

i DO respect your opinons.
we are in some seriosus **** here.

well, america is..and im an american..and yea i care

Great! Now she tells me! Where have you been all these years?

This is where I should have invested!

On the other hand, now that we are going into a (fully) socialized helthcare, it would be foolish of me to invest there.

Anyway, I did not know that. Thank you!

http://finance.senate.gov/press/Gpress/2007/prg071907a.pdf

a link..(one of many)
discussing private non profit funded hospitals...


im telling you...i work for a major healthcare organization..the biggest in my area...and this is how it operates the 6 hospitals it owns.

our current surplus...again...600 million.

I thought you said you work for "nonprofit"?

i will also say this..my insurance..well if I made the choice to become a benifted employee...i lose $5 an hour. and then i pay 150 bucks every 2 weeks for the benefits.


so i chose not to participate..and watch my own health..and do my own prevantive care. thats a choice/risk i make.

the MAJORITY of patiesnt i see...are medicare. disability.....serisously sick or old patients.

although most of my bone marrorw transplants are young people...
and i do take care of some young working type individuals.

but if your sick....your sick.
prevantive care..shoulda started years ago.

and what do you want to say to the people that are noncomplinat?? omg, good luck,..im sure there are thousands.



save lives.....nope...we prolong

hey i get paid. my hospital is a nonprofit organization.

doesnt mean we dont make money....
donations, patients and their bills get paid.

we asre very up to date and state of art..
computer charting for everything, robots doing surgery, every specailist you would ever want to consult for any aspect of your diagnosis.

non profit doesnt mean free....jsut that they dont owe the gov ****

To me it means that the investors don't get paid. All proceeds collected go to pay for the costs incurred only.

This would be a subtype of all that is private, but not all that is privately funded is a nonprofit.

That's what my grandpa used to say when he'd go for a treatment. "Prolonging the inevitable", and "Prolonging the suffering"

i am assuming that to donate to a hospital is a rather big write off for other large buisnesses in the area...



how can one NOPT expect hospitals to be making good money.
we got the gov paying us in.
we got insurance companies paying us in.

pharmacies and medical supply companies fighting over our business..


and what do we owe? we are getting paid for expenses occurred....
we are making a PROFIT by this alone..without donations...


what do we need more gov grants for?
stem cell research that we are already doing????
cuz god wouldnt we be big...if we found a cure for something via stem cells

Are you sleepy?

im asleep.....dreaming of....







fresh fruit and exercise

fresh fruit and exercise?

Don't give me any ideas....

My brother works for a non-profit hospital. They had cut out over-time. Now the 40 hour week has become 35 hours. They are cutting corners because the hospital lost money in investments.

i see that we give good care. to many many people. I dont see care that is based on a persons ability to pay.

only on rather they have insurance or medicare to cover costs incured.



and really, i dont care how socialized things get.....if you put obama and me in a line for a new kidneyu. he will get it first even if his blood type is rare.

Ok a little confused here. You said you don't see care that is based on a persons ability to pay but then right after you said only 'on rather they have insurance or medicare to cover costs incured'. That is considered payment isn't it? I mean if they didn't have either of those, would they still get care or no?

That part about obama getting a kidney over you must be exclusive to your hospital because that isn't the case in most hospitals where I have lived. Your on a list and it doesnt' go by color. Of course the fact that he is president might trump but I don't know that.

emergent treatemants arent based on a persons ability to pay.



if a person (like me for instance) had neither...well im not sure how far i could get with a treatment program.
i would be applying for medicare/medicaid/disability for said medical condition.....