Topic: Will bills and coins always exist?
think2deep's photo
Fri 03/06/09 08:30 PM
they have already implemented it in the european union and even here in the united states in some corporations. the corporations use it for clearance purposes so no unauthorized people can enter certain rooms and it keeps track of where the employees have been. the strangest thing is that these people let them implant this chip in their arm.
i wouldn't do that.

nogames39's photo
Fri 03/06/09 09:18 PM
Edited by nogames39 on Fri 03/06/09 09:20 PM
Yeah, that is considered to be the future for sure.

But, RFID changes nothing in what we consider to be money. Government is and will be able to create additional claims on existing wealth, whether it be paper notes, or bits of information.

Nor does it will fix anything that is wrong with the currently used fiat money system.

The cash and gold will still be where they are, because there is always a need for untraceable and honest money, among those who have money, to buy and sell things and services.

The only change with RFID, is the method of authentication.

What it will do, however, it will allow easier counterfeiting by anyone comfortable with computers.

It will allow to become invisible and or change one's identity easier, on the fly.

It will not be the all seeing eye, because as you know RFID can be easily shielded. Just get one of those aluminum credit card pocket envelopes, and viola, you're invisible.

It will allow geeks to easily peek into anyone's personal information.

My US Passport already has RFID, embedded in the back cover. By the way, this passport chip has already been successfully hacked, and after minute programming allows one to cross the border as someone else.

I don't think that an acceptance of RFID will be a paradigm shift event. Rather, I think, it will be very inconspicuous and extended. What will be a sudden change is Amero, or whatever they decide to call the post-dollar unit of account.

You might want to start a web site, selling "proprietary shielding technology for privacy of personal information" now, though. Let me know if you make some serious money, I'll want my cut.

think2deep's photo
Fri 03/06/09 09:38 PM
your right, it changes nothing. i'm so sick of the federal reserve i can't stand it. there's something else i want to say because i'm seeing a certain pattern and i just can't say what it is on these forums and it's killing me. this group responsible for all of this is so huge and powerful that they have so much control over us yet they portray themselves as our friends but they aren't. they are just as much a friend as someone that stands there and guides the knife that's in your hand straight to your gut, smiling at you the whole time and talking of old times but you're defenseless against him and he just guides that knife slowly into your gut and starts twisting, still smiling and cutting up with you until you fall to the floor and bleed to death.

nogames39's photo
Fri 03/06/09 10:18 PM
There is nothing that can be done. Wise men said "destroy the education first, then wait for the old timers to die off".

Every time you try and make an effort to explain to one person, exactly how it works, first through his disrespect, then through disbelief, then through his lack of desire to take it up from there and dig for the details, and finally picking up his mistakes and plugging up his lack of general standard education, you will end up with one person, who will think he is now a conspiracy theorist.

In the same time span, the government will brainwash ten thousands. They use teachers, who are brainwashed themselves, and so it comes out of their mouth feeling very real. Kids believe that.

You can't help those who don't feel the need.

And, people think that it is hard to start believing that dreams are real. I find it to be much harder to show someone what is real, as they seem to keep falling back on their dreams.

catwoman96's photo
Fri 03/06/09 10:53 PM
do you want paper or plastic sir??


most of my money is plastic. my job demands to deposit my check in a banking account.
and everywhere I go...its real easy to swipe my card and type in my PIN.


some of the older coins really had more silver in them when they were minted. not anymore....

coins might as well be plastic play things for children

catwoman96's photo
Fri 03/06/09 11:01 PM
i can see why the government would do away with coins.


no photo
Fri 03/06/09 11:30 PM
All monies will end in five years and go to a card with a chip on it and it will hold all your history on it,,,and then because of theft and killings, a NEW one will take its place. YOU will have an implanted chip as your ID for everything.:wink: drinker technological
break through s around every corner of the mind.

MickyG's photo
Fri 03/06/09 11:41 PM

you guys wanna get a glimpse of the future currency system?
watch this 30 second commercial. absolute must see!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WV3_jYB5HU


I have been preparing for that sort of day since the commercials release in concern to Walmarts and other big stores interest in this technology. This sort of idea is going to make some BILLIONAIRES for those on the underground market.

Anyone in for some shares of stock on this endevour?

Fanta46's photo
Fri 03/06/09 11:43 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Fri 03/06/09 11:44 PM
Star Trek, smiles,,,


Lynann's photo
Sat 03/07/09 12:11 AM
Nope they won't

Efficiency and all you know? haha

So, if you don't believe in credit/debit cards and if you want government transactions to be conducted in a cost efficient way why are you using dollar bills?

A dollar coin is much more efficient and hard to...

Umm well...coins of all values are smart to use...for a variety of reasons.


MickyG's photo
Sat 03/07/09 12:15 AM

Nope they won't

Efficiency and all you know? haha

So, if you don't believe in credit/debit cards and if you want government transactions to be conducted in a cost efficient way why are you using dollar bills?

A dollar coin is much more efficient and hard to...

Umm well...coins of all values are smart to use...for a variety of reasons.




Well I understand the casino part of the equation but what are you really trying to say?

catwoman96's photo
Sat 03/07/09 12:27 AM
Edited by catwoman96 on Sat 03/07/09 12:27 AM
better to use a coin that perhaps has some precious metals in it....than to use a piece of paper that..ummmm wellll....


i can see the gov 'disposing' of the coins...because some of them ARE more valuable than a dollar bill

nogames39's photo
Sat 03/07/09 12:39 AM
Metal coins are generally end up worth more than their face value. This includes not only gold and silver, but copper, zink and nickel as well.

This happens because when any government issues a coin, say a penny in US, they only hope to steal say 5/10 of your money. They don't believe their citizens are so dumb, as to not notice. So, they set the "realistic targets".

As they proceed stealing, it becomes clear, that their citizens are way dumber that it was originally estimated. So, the government pushes on, say, eventually stealing 9/10 of the wealth of the people, by the time they retire that coin, and issue a new one.

Now, as their stealing progress crosses the 5/10th mark and touches 6/10, the metal in the coin consequentially becomes more worthy than the coin face value. At this point, a government institutes a law prohibiting export of coin and smelting of it (because supposedly that smelting hurts the bottom line), and proceeds on it's way to 9/10th.

MickyG's photo
Sat 03/07/09 01:03 AM

Metal coins are generally end up worth more than their face value. This includes not only gold and silver, but copper, zink and nickel as well.

This happens because when any government issues a coin, say a penny in US, they only hope to steal say 5/10 of your money. They don't believe their citizens are so dumb, as to not notice. So, they set the "realistic targets".

As they proceed stealing, it becomes clear, that their citizens are way dumber that it was originally estimated. So, the government pushes on, say, eventually stealing 9/10 of the wealth of the people, by the time they retire that coin, and issue a new one.

Now, as their stealing progress crosses the 5/10th mark and touches 6/10, the metal in the coin consequentially becomes more worthy than the coin face value. At this point, a government institutes a law prohibiting export of coin and smelting of it (because supposedly that smelting hurts the bottom line), and proceeds on it's way to 9/10th.


Much logic and truth to the above statement. Best evidence is without a doubt the penny pre 82 and part of 82 should you know the trick.

Smelting easily done in backyard for pennies on the dollar!!LOL

nogames39's photo
Sat 03/07/09 01:04 AM
Tssss!

It is ill - legal, you know.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 03/07/09 01:04 AM

Star Trek, smiles,,,

You never see them pay for food.....



Fanta46's photo
Sat 03/07/09 01:05 AM
They always have their private quarters.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 03/07/09 01:06 AM
a job.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 03/07/09 01:07 AM
Although there's is little originality in clothes.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 03/07/09 01:07 AM
The women always manage to look hot