Funny thing about global warming, or is it "climate change" now?...

The Earth's climate has change approx 180 times since it's birth. We've had droughts and ice ages long before we humans were around to polute things.

In fact there was a much bigger ice age than the one we all know of. It turned the Earth into a "snowball" planet. This meant even the equator was covered in snow... It was actually volcanoes that created the greenhouse gas to produce the global warming that melted the snow. In fact, as nogames mentioned, volcanoes continue to produce more greenhouse gas than we humans are able to create.

So, climate change is a natural occurence. I believe in the practice of protecting our environment, but I also think the matter can be distracting from other, more pressing issues...

So instead on Nukes Were gonna Use Hurricanes

Back to the topic at hand....

Anyhoo....they have been cloud seeding out here in preparation for spring planting for almost 10 years but, tangible data is sketchy at best.

The did have an article in this months Popular Science in reguards to using hypersonic flights counter to the rotational vortex of hurricans to try to lessen thier impact but, thus far it is still theoretical. I would be suprized if they could even have a shot at doing anything with tornados since thier active life span is just a few seconds to a few minutes. You wouldn't even have time to scramble a plane before the damage was done.

AL Gore is a has been and Needed a Job so He Invented "Global Warming" in the Sense that Were Causing it, among other things!

Science just needs to Leave Weather alone. Everything Happens for a Reason.

It is impossible, however, to agree even on the fact that the global warming or cooling, whichever that be, might actually be happening, but not due the human influence.

For the "global warming" tree-huggers are only waiting for you to admit as much, to immediately suggest that everyone should do everything possibly to help the environment.

Here is the substitute that happens: "we agree or acknowledge that the climate change has nothing to do with humanity, but let us still pretend that it does. Huh?

As soon as everyone would agree that there is a "need" for this environmental madness, they have won and automatically achieved a control over what you are doing.

Now, they don't need to make you consume something, in order to tax you. Now, they can collect taxes simply based on the fact that you exist, or that you're not consuming some "green" technology product, and so on.

The green movement has two parts, dumb followers who do not understand the "tragedy of the commons" solution, and without studying, fall into believing the "externalities" axiom, promoted by the communists to establish something that if existed, would make their argument whole. I feel for these group, as they are while being wrong, at least start with a desire to do something good, and because they are typically willing and do what they ask of others to do.

The second part is the active leadership, which seeks to find future sources of revenues, that aren't conventional. These people simply use the "tree-huggers", in order to establish a "public opinion", but themselves, are never caught following their own placated ideology.

Selling green products is a big business. Al Gore is paid very well.

All there is is a trick, but look at the results: He had managed to convince a lot of people, to throw away perfectly good consumable goods they have already paid for, and to immediately purchase a green replacement.

In many cases, this replacement is technologically inferior, and / or not reusable!

Just imagine what a , say, TV manufacturer would pay you, if you could convince many people to buy his inferior brand, and even do it every time you want to watch it?

the funniest thing is that we can sit here and debate about it all we want but none of us really know for sure.

No Doubt about that and I want in on it

I Don't Know all the In's and Out's But When the Earths Core Heats it only Has to Raise the Oceans Temp by 1/2 a Degree and the Oceans put out tons CO2.

Aahhh, grasshopper! Who doesn't?

The best thing one can do with stupid people is to make them take a bet. Make them put their money where their mouth is.

I am researching that as well. There are some smart guys, that are making a buck already, by using the greenies.

get me into it too, nogames!!! i want to make some green from people buying green.

We Should Conspire

don't say that too loud on this forum lol.

China plans to halt rain for Olympics

'Weather modification' team will manipulate the clouds in summer to try to keep the open-air stadium dry.
By Barbara Demick, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
January 31, 2008
BEIJING -- It is yet another attempt by man to triumph over nature.

Determined not to let anything spoil their party, organizers of the 2008 Summer Olympics said Wednesday that they will take control over the most unpredictable element of all -- the weather.


While China's Olympic athletes are getting ready to compete on the fields, its meteorologists are working the skies, attempting the difficult feat of making sure it doesn't rain on the Aug. 8 opening ceremonies.

"Our team is trained. Our preparations are complete," declared Wang Jianjie, a spokeswoman from the Beijing Meteorological Bureau, addressing a news conference at the headquarters of the Beijing organizing committee.

The Chinese are among the world's leaders in what is called "weather modification," but they have more experience creating rain than preventing it. In fact, the techniques are virtually the same.


Cloud-seeding is a relatively well-known practice that involves shooting various substances into clouds, such as silver iodide, salts and dry ice, that bring on the formation of larger raindrops, triggering a downpour. But Chinese scientists believe they have perfected a technique that reduces the size of the raindrops, delaying the rain until the clouds move on.

The weather modification would be used only on a small area, opening what would be in effect a meteorological umbrella over the 91,000-seat Olympic stadium. The $400-million stadium, nicknamed the "bird's nest" for its interlacing steel beams, has no roof.

"This is really a very complex process in terms of selecting the place and the time," said Wang Yubin, an engineer from the meteorological bureau. "Probably we will have to decide one day before or very close to the event."

Jeff Ruffalo, a public relations advisor to the Beijing Olympics, believes this is a first for the Summer Olympics, which in recent years have taken place in drier cities -- Athens, Sydney, Barcelona.

Summer is the rainy season in Northeast Asia. Originally, the Beijing Olympics were to open July 25, but meteorologists urged that the date be pushed back as late as possible. Still, the chances of rain in Beijing on Aug. 8 are close to 50%.

Training with the Olympics in mind, the meteorologists have been practicing their "rain mitigation" techniques since 2006. They have had a couple of dry runs, so to speak -- a China-Africa summit and a panda festival in Sichuan province, among others.

The Chinese have been tinkering with the weather since the late 1950s, trying to bring rains to the desert terrain of the northern provinces.

The bureau of weather modification was established in the 1980s and is now believed to be the largest in the world. It has a reserve army of 37,000 people -- most of them sort of weekend warriors who are called to duty during unusual droughts. The bureau has 30 aircraft, 4,000 rocket launchers and 7,000 antiaircraft guns, said Wang Guohe, director of weather modification for the Chinese Academy of Meteorology.

"We have the largest program in the world with the most people involved and the most equipment, but it is not really the most advanced," Wang said. That honor belongs to the Russians, who he says used sophisticated cloud-seeding in 1986 to prevent radioactive rain from the Chernobyl reactor accident from reaching Moscow.

Although many scientists dispute the effectiveness of weather modification, Wang insists that it has been successful in China on a limited scale.

"If you're talking about a small rainfall, you can eliminate it," Wang said. "But if it's going to be raining cats and dogs, there's nothing man can do about it."

Conspiracy theorists have suggested that certain governments use or seek to use weather control as a weapon (eg via HAARP and/or chemtrails), but such allegations have not been proven. At a counterterrorism conference in 1997, United States Secretary of Defense William Cohen referred to the writings of futurist Alvin Toffler, specifically regarding concerns about "eco-terrorism" and intentionally caused natural disasters.

I agree with you, as I posted earlier my dad is a geologist and he states that the earth will go through these changes regardless to us being here or not. Whether we are making it worse could be a discussion I suppose.

The fact be, we should be trying not to poison our environment and we should also be planning on the damage this "warming" may cause. We cannot stop it if it is part of this planets cycle. We will have to hunker down and ride it out.

Boo,

That just blows my mind that China was doing that.

Personally I don't see it as a big deal or a particularly great success, but I also don't see all this technology as a big threat to humanity like some do. Technology can be used for good or evil. money can be made with it with out being evil as well. But I don't see any of the conspiracy theorists talking about the good it can do, like steering hurricanes out of harms way etc (which is not possible yet btw).

If people are determined to destroy themselves and me along with it, there is really little I can do about it, except shoot myself, and if the time comes and that is necessary I won't have a problem with that, I prefer not to live in a world full of pessimists and people who think the damn sky is falling.

Here in Tennessee we had a bad spill at a TVA plant, why? because they didn't think, period, guess who is paying for the damn clean up. I don't give a crapola if Gore is right or wrong but I am not so damn blind that I can't see that we humans are capable of poisoning our entire environment even with out global climate change.

Some companies that love to pollute also love it when we argue over who's right about this, gives them more time to continue polluting the very things we need to survive as humans.

If we all want to live on concrete, then fine, chop all the damn trees down, kill anything that doesn't walk on two legs to benefit the bottom line. I just hope the hell I am long gone before man destroys just about everything that was ever beautiful.

there's already bad people who have control of the technologies you speak of. believe me, i was an electronics technician for a company that manufactures circuit boards for clients all over the world. i was the troubleshooter because of my extensive knowledge of electronics components and theory. this stuff is not as outlandish as people think it is. i've researched the technology a few years ago. katrina was produced using this technology. that information is for anyone who wants to know the truth. all others, please dismiss.