Topic: Arizona to Secede from Union, if Martial Law is Declared!
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Mon 03/02/09 04:10 PM

If you wish your State, if it has not already done so, to follow with Arizona, copy this form and send it to your State Reps and your Governor. Ask them to protect the citizens from the Federal Government in the event of Martial Law.

Arizona to Secede from Union, if Martial Law is Declared!

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REFERENCE TITLE: abolish federal government; state sovereignty

State of Arizona
House of Representatives
Forty-fourth Legislature
Second Regular Session
2000

HCR 2034
Introduced by
Representatives Johnson, Cooley

A CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

PROPOSING THE DISSOLUTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS OCCUR.

(TEXT OF BILL BEGINS ON NEX More..T PAGE)

Whereas, on July 4, 1776, our founding fathers proclaimed that the people had the right to alter or abolish their government and declared thirteen British colonies to be free and independent, or sovereign, states; and

Whereas, on March 1, 1781, the thirteen states formed a central government they called the United States of America under a charter known as the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, which stated that "each state retains its sovereignty, freedom and independence"; and

Whereas, on September 17, 1787, the leaders of the Continental Congress signed the present Constitution of the United States, which was then transmitted to the thirteen states for ratification and the formation of a new central government; and

Whereas, several of the states delayed ratification of the Constitution and three states made clear their position regarding sovereignty by stating that "the powers of government may be resumed by the people whensoever it shall become necessary to their happiness"; and

Whereas, eventually all thirteen of the independent states ratified the Constitution of the United States and joined the new Union, while retaining their sovereignty as states. The states made the new central government sovereign only to the extent that the states delegated to it limited and specific powers; and

Whereas, the Constitution of the United States is merely a treaty among sovereigns, and under treaty law when one party violates the treaty the other parties are automatically released from further adherence to it unless they wish to continue; and

Whereas, the fifty current principals, or signatories, to the treaty have done well in honoring and obeying it, yet the federal agent has, for decades, violated it in both word and spirit. The many violations of the Constitution of the United States by the federal government include disposing of federal property without the approval of Congress, usurping jurisdiction from the states in such matters as abortion and firearms rights and seeking control of public lands within state borders; and

Whereas, under Article V, Constitution of the United States, three-fourths of the states may abolish the federal government. In the alternative, if the states choose to exercise their inherent right as sovereigns, fewer than thirty-eight states may lawfully choose to ignore Article V, Constitution of the United States, and establish a new federal government for themselves by following the precedent established by Article VII, Constitution of the United States, in which nine of the existing thirteen states dissolved the existing Union under the Articles of Confederation and automatically superceded the Articles.

Therefore.....<a href=""http://www.azleg.state.az.us/legtext/44leg/2r/bills/hcr2034p.htm"" target="_blank">Click here for the rest of the bill.</a>

Again, for anyone who cares to copy and print this form, please do.
We need to save this country from what has been progressing for years.
Fax it off, email it, mail it, call in to your Reps and Governors.
If we wait to see what happens, we might wait too long.
It doesn't have to be used. The display, we are ready to use it should suffice.

Like they say in the Boy Scouts; A good Scout is always prepared.

think2deep's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:10 PM



i have read the declaration of independance . required reading when you go in the service , but what is happening now is nothing close to what was going on then . there was a big mess left for obama , and we do not know what direction things are going yet . his policies may pull this country out of the toilet and they may hurt us worse . the point is we dont know yet . only time will tell.


we only have to look at the other countries that are further along in this than we are. the things obama is proposing didn't work for the other countries and it won't work here.



we dont know that . you cant use other countrys as a prototype . this country has become great by takeing things from other countrys tweeking them and making them our own . and making them work i might add


the secret to getting out of this mess is to see what is causing the mess. most people only see the effects but not the cause. this thing is so big that most people can't wrap their heads around it. there are too many people throwing out uneducated opinions that just muddy up the waters, which, for those causing this mess, is a blessing. just like if all of the water turned undrinkable, unless you find out what made the water undrinkable in the first place you won't be able to clean it and expect it to stay clean.

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Mon 03/02/09 04:17 PM
what made the water undrinkable is a banking system that has become to big and has been able to go about unchecked , a housing market that has allowed people who make 50 thousand a year buy 250 thousand dollar homes , two wars in the middle east , and people running a finacial system that have been able to set the standards wherever they want . i agree we need to look at what has caused the problem . but the threat of REVOLT because that is exactly what you are talking about is not going to make the situation any better . because people need to realize the government has had alot to do with it , but a good amount of blame go on the people in charge of our money . us.

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:20 PM
dan...you realize this isn't the 1st thread on this nor will it be the last for a while?

it is a proposal...talking....chit chat....entertaining thoughts....etc

think2deep's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:23 PM
i posed a question, i think it was yesterday, what is to keep these corrupt bankers from taking control of each state if they secede? the waters will keep getting undrinkable until you eradicate the cause which is the bankers themselves. bring back the greenbacks and the silver certificates. leave the federal reserve out of the whole mess.

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Mon 03/02/09 04:25 PM
i realize that . i just think that even considering it brings fear to people . now not saying that just because i think that it is true lol . i just dont think it is something should even be considerd . because there are peopl out there that feel that way and they read this and think that there is support for it and then that makes them dangerous .

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Mon 03/02/09 04:26 PM

i posed a question, i think it was yesterday, what is to keep these corrupt bankers from taking control of each state if they secede? the waters will keep getting undrinkable until you eradicate the cause which is the bankers themselves. bring back the greenbacks and the silver certificates. leave the federal reserve out of the whole mess.



now thats the first thing youv said i agree with.

willing2's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:28 PM
Screw fear.
I'm promoting taking action for the sake of preparedness.

dantaylor28's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:31 PM
and what is taking this action going to accomplish . look back through history what normaly happens when people rebel against a powerful government . your talking about creating anarchy . that solves nothing . there is a reason it has never been done , because it is counterpreductive

think2deep's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:37 PM
you know, to tell you the truth, i've looked back at all the forums and the one central problem for everything has been the federal reserve. not too many people will argue against that. i think that this should be the first and foremost situation to be dealt with by the administration if they are truly for change. i don't see that happening though. they are just putting bandaids on the little boo boos is all.

willing2's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:39 PM
37 States seceding from said Union, Uniting, forming our own currency, backed by the gold, if there's any left, in Fort Knox, now property of Kentucky and the other 36 States United.
Got possibilities.

Winx's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:40 PM

well, people can make fun of this stuff if they want to. you know, maybe i'm the only one in this mess. maybe it's just me. apparently, willing, dragoness and winx don't believe any of this is happening.


Winx doesn't believe what is happening?

think2deep's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:41 PM

37 States seceding from said Union, Uniting, forming our own currency, backed by the gold, if there's any left, in Fort Knox, now property of Kentucky and the other 36 States United.
Got possibilities.


that would all be great if we could guarantee that the bankster mobsters don't get into the action.

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:45 PM
maybe this is the shake up we need for the government. anyone that builds a bunker and stock piles it (like Y2K) is an extreme

willing2's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:46 PM


37 States seceding from said Union, Uniting, forming our own currency, backed by the gold, if there's any left, in Fort Knox, now property of Kentucky and the other 36 States United.
Got possibilities.


that would all be great if we could guarantee that the bankster mobsters don't get into the action.

I think the new. hypothetical, Gov., would have learned from the waste and frivolous manner the banks have been acting.

think2deep's photo
Mon 03/02/09 04:51 PM



37 States seceding from said Union, Uniting, forming our own currency, backed by the gold, if there's any left, in Fort Knox, now property of Kentucky and the other 36 States United.
Got possibilities.


that would all be great if we could guarantee that the bankster mobsters don't get into the action.

I think the new. hypothetical, Gov., would have learned from the waste and frivolous manner the banks have been acting.


yeah but they are some rascally fellas. all they would have to do is bribe the elected officials. but of course they would never think of doing such a thing lol.

KerryO's photo
Mon 03/02/09 05:02 PM
Edited by KerryO on Mon 03/02/09 05:02 PM



State of Arizona
House of Representatives
Forty-fourth Legislature
Second Regular Session
2000



^^^^^^

Note the date. This is old news from people spreading FUD and disinformation. Most Googled links on the subject will point to Far Right survivalist websites.


-Kerry O.

think2deep's photo
Mon 03/02/09 05:04 PM




State of Arizona
House of Representatives
Forty-fourth Legislature
Second Regular Session
2000



^^^^^^

Note the date. This is old news from people spreading FUD and disinformation. Most Googled links on the subject will point to Far Right survivalist websites.


-Kerry O.


hmmm, that's true but it still gave us some things to chat about.

raiderfan_32's photo
Mon 03/02/09 05:19 PM
turns to Chewie

Didn't we just leave this party?

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/02/09 05:22 PM

turns to Chewie

Didn't we just leave this party?


psst....it's all the same party....it's all a dream