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and now if you will excuse me i will return later to debate but the lil ones are hungry you all have fun . have a good day all
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i went into the service in 98 . bush "won" his first term in 2000 . i did see the difference in our millitary under both presidents . and i saw what kind of drag the bush administration put on our millitary . |
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Edited by
yellowrose10
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Sat 02/28/09 01:13 PM
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i went into the service in 98 . bush "won" his first term in 2000 . i did see the difference in our millitary under both presidents . and i saw what kind of drag the bush administration put on our millitary . they aren't the only ones that know. some have many friends and family that served. i come from a very long line of military. even now...most everyone i know in real life has served. therefore I have as much right as anyone to express beliefs while being knowledgable |
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what I notice is that the Clintons were decimating the military, pretending that we were invincible and driving up taxes during the 90's. Clinton's "surplus" is a result of decreased defense spending and high taxation. There should never be a "surplus". Surplus means the government is keeping tax money that it is not spending.. your tax money. lol at Obama for spending 2 trillion in pork projects his first month and calling it "stimulus" then turning around and calling for responsiblity in spending if you didnt serve in the armed forces dont bring it up . i served under both clinton and bush and was much happier under clinton . You look familiar! |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sat 02/28/09 01:18 PM
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so only those that have served in the military have rights |
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lol damn fanta
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." so doesn't that mean to protect our right to speak on our beliefs here? |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sat 02/28/09 01:30 PM
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against all enemies, foreign and domestic
Just dont take up arms.... |
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I see the man's flaws. Everybody has them. I am happy that he is President and Bush and McCain are not. Goody for you. I'm soooo glad you're **happy** His approval rating is about 68% right now so apparently I'm not the only one happy with him. Bush's approval rating at the end of his time was about 28%. |
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Hmmm....I saw a different speech then you did. I heard him talking about helping small businesses. Yes, it's going to get worse before it gets better. Obama inherited a terrible economic mess and two wars. There is no contradiction your view and that of InvictusV. -You're paying attention to what he is talking about. -InvictusV is paying attention to what Obama is going to do. I'm paying attention to what he is doing too. |
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Edited by
Winx
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Sat 02/28/09 03:27 PM
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I heard good things about energy, healthcare, education and more. See? "You hear" good things, and that is all you care about. At what cost these things can be achieved? Energy? What good did he say about energy, that is more than only words? Health Care? What good is his communist health care, except that it sound good? Education? How is he going to improve it? Throw more money on over payed bureaucrats and dumb teachers? That's all we have now is his words. I don't understand your point. He just told us his plan in more detail then what he had said before the election. I voted for him when he gave us the previews of his issues. He's doing what he had planned. The months ahead will give us more details. I've been reading about his energy plan. I'm all for it. There will be jobs and we will be going in right direction for the future with his energy plan. That helps in two ways. I am for the health plan too. Way too many people don't have health insurance. That costs us money. Dumb teachers? Teachers work hard to teach the children. I have a child in school. I see it with my own eyes. |
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i do believe if you didnt serve you have nothing to say . people criticise clinton say he slaughtered the millitary and what i'm saying i served under both . and although it was a bigger millitatry under bush we were all happier under clinton . the millitary is not recesion proof .and when the economy suck believe it or not the armed forces feel it . I worked in the VA Hospital and saw that the vets were treated better during Clinton's time then under Bush. |
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By Larry Kudlow CNBC Let me be very clear on the economics of President Obama’s State of the Union speech and his budget. He is declaring war on investors, entrepreneurs, small businesses, large corporations, and private-equity and venture-capital funds. That is the meaning of his anti-growth tax-hike proposals, which make absolutely no sense at all — either for this recession or from the standpoint of expanding our economy’s long-run potential to grow. Raising the marginal tax rate on successful earners, capital, dividends, and all the private funds is a function of Obama’s left-wing social vision, and a repudiation of his economic-recovery statements. Ditto for his sweeping government-planning-and-spending program, which will wind up raising federal outlays as a share of GDP to at least 30 percent, if not more, over the next 10 years. This is nearly double the government-spending low-point reached during the late 1990s by the Gingrich Congress and the Clinton administration. While not quite as high as spending levels in Western Europe, we regrettably will be gaining on this statist-planning approach. Study after study over the past several decades has shown how countries that spend more produce less, while nations that tax less produce more. Obama is doing it wrong on both counts. And as far as middle-class tax cuts are concerned, Obama’s cap-and-trade program will be a huge across-the-board tax increase on blue-collar workers, including unionized workers. Industrial production is plunging, but new carbon taxes will prevent production from ever recovering. While the country wants more fuel and power, cap-and-trade will deliver less. The tax hikes will generate lower growth and fewer revenues. Yes, the economy will recover. But Obama’s rosy scenario of 4 percent recovery growth in the out years of his budget is not likely to occur. The combination of easy money from the Fed and below-potential economic growth is a prescription for stagflation. That’s one of the messages of the falling stock market. Essentially, the Obama economic policies represent a major Democratic party relapse into Great Society social spending and taxing. It is a return to the LBJ/Nixon era, and a move away from the Reagan/Clinton period. House Republicans, fortunately, are 90 days sober, as they are putting up a valiant fight to stop the big-government onslaught and move the GOP back to first principles. Noteworthy up here on Wall Street, a great many Obama supporters — especially hedge-fund types who voted for “change” — are becoming disillusioned with the performances of Obama and Treasury man Geithner. There is a growing sense of buyer’s remorse. Well then, do conservatives dare say: We told you so? Sounds like Jew got a real problem with Larry, or was that Jo-Mamma ??? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 03/01/09 06:36 PM
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What to Do to STOP the Globalist Takeover of America
"Things are moving fast now since they kicked off the phony and contrived "economic collapse" back in September 2008. Wholesale robbery of the American taxpayer to "bail out" Wall street robber barons and banksters. Right. That makes lots of sense to "save" the economy. Now we have the Rockefeller/Obama infil-traitor proposing the equally phony "economic stimulus package" which will further bring us to our knees economically and usher in greater Big Brother impositions and kick off the Obama/Hitler Youth movement. My guess is that things will get real bad this year and maybe lead to wide scale riots by 2010, that will bring in police state goon patrols, even if they don't pop off another major false flag operation in this country. The wisest course is to get busy locally and organize whoever is listening into groups and plot a strategy to get your state reps to push Big Time for state sovereignty. Naturally, the governor and many in the state senate (being controlled NWO minions) will fight it, but there's a chance to push through a bona fide Sovereignty bill if enough citizens yell like crazy and get in the face of their state reps. With a state sovereignty law in place, you can then LEGALLY organize a state militia to oppose the imposition of martial law by the federal traitors-and REFUSE other dictates of Homeland Security or FEMA, etc. . It is then much EASIER to convince AND TO DEMAND that local police and local National Guard remain loyal to the state, and NOT join in with the feds, so they will fight on YOUR side when --and if-- the time comes. THEN we have a real chance to stop the snowballing towards Armageddon. We could then-state by state-start dismantling and tearning down those disgusting FEMA concentration camps Everyone wants to lead a peaceful life and not have to face this, but doing nothing will only hasten the destruction of America. We must organize and fight on the political and court fronts while we still have these systems in place. The entire NWO takeover plan will fall like a house of cards IF enough people get involved locally and push for state sovereignty and use court actions to slow down Big Brother impositions. Just TALKING about it is NOT going to change anything." |
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I posted this in another thread. I think it could go here too.
10 things you should know about Obama's plan (but probably don't) The plan: 1. Makes a $634 billion down payment on fixing health care that will go a long way toward paying for a more efficient, more affordable health care system that covers every single American. 2. Reduces taxes for 95% of working Americans. And if your family makes less than $250,000, your taxes won't go up one dime. 3. Invests more than $100 billion in clean energy technology, creating millions of green jobs that can never be outsourced. 4. Brings our troops home from Iraq on a firm timetable, finally bringing the war to a close—and freeing up almost ten billion dollars a month for domestic priorities. 5. Reverses growing income inequality. The plan lets the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans expire and focuses on strengthening the middle class. 6. Closes multi-billion-dollar tax loopholes for big oil companies. 7. Increases grants to help families pay for college—the largest increase ever. 8. Halves the deficit by 2013. President Obama inherited a legacy of huge deficits and an economy in shambles, but his plan brings the deficit under control as soon as the economy begins to recover. 9. Dramatically increases funding for the SEC and the CFTC—the agencies that police Wall Street. 10. Tells it straight. For years, budgets have used accounting tricks to hide the real costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Bush tax cuts, and too many other programs. Obama's budget gets rid of the smokescreens and lays out what America's priorities are, what they cost, and how we're going to pay for them. This is the change we voted for. |
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Still can not answer this, Fanta46?
by Fanta:
by nogames39:
Some will never be happy winx. They take every good thing Obama says and turn it around and around, unable to accept anything good from him, until they find the tiniest flaw and then jump to every (wrong) conclusion they can. They make mountains of mole hills. I call them Un-American! Let us SUPPOSE that: 1) There is NOT a singe good thing coming from Obama. 2) I am not happy about Obama because of (1). Am I still an Un-American? Should I be happy never the less, to qualify to be called an American? |
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Edited by
InvictusV
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Sun 03/01/09 07:53 PM
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I posted this in another thread. I think it could go here too. 10 things you should know about Obama's plan (but probably don't) The plan: 1. Makes a $634 billion down payment on fixing health care that will go a long way toward paying for a more efficient, more affordable health care system that covers every single American. 2. Reduces taxes for 95% of working Americans. And if your family makes less than $250,000, your taxes won't go up one dime. 3. Invests more than $100 billion in clean energy technology, creating millions of green jobs that can never be outsourced. 4. Brings our troops home from Iraq on a firm timetable, finally bringing the war to a close—and freeing up almost ten billion dollars a month for domestic priorities. 5. Reverses growing income inequality. The plan lets the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans expire and focuses on strengthening the middle class. 6. Closes multi-billion-dollar tax loopholes for big oil companies. 7. Increases grants to help families pay for college—the largest increase ever. 8. Halves the deficit by 2013. President Obama inherited a legacy of huge deficits and an economy in shambles, but his plan brings the deficit under control as soon as the economy begins to recover. 9. Dramatically increases funding for the SEC and the CFTC—the agencies that police Wall Street. 10. Tells it straight. For years, budgets have used accounting tricks to hide the real costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Bush tax cuts, and too many other programs. Obama's budget gets rid of the smokescreens and lays out what America's priorities are, what they cost, and how we're going to pay for them. This is the change we voted for. All of this is based on the assumption that the economy will start growing next year. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. Warren Buffett thinks it won't. He is an Obama guy. Where does he get the money for all this? Hes keeping atleast 50,000 troops in Iraq. He is escalating the war in Afghanistan. His cap and trade policy is going to raise taxes on gas and taxing the oil companies will reduce supply. Are you going to be happy paying $5 a gallon for gas? I doubt it. This is part of an article from the NY Times "Obama’s budget estimates $645 billion in cap-and-trade revenue over the next 10 years that will largely be paid by oil, electric power and heavy industries that produce the majority of carbon dioxide and other gases blamed for the warming of the planet. Many of these costs are expected to be passed on to consumers." This is absurd. There is NO proof that the earth is warming because of man made carbon emissions. NONE.. To put these taxes in place based soley on an unproven theory is the height of reckless. Does anyone think the economy is going to grow at the rate he expects, with these kinds of crippling taxes for something that he can't prove? This is irresponsible and is going to come back and HAUNT him. Mark my words. |
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