Topic: Another reason sexual preds should never be let out
MsCarmen's photo
Mon 02/23/09 08:59 AM


I'm just presenting facts, you can argue them until you are blue in the face but they still remain facts. Sex offenders DNA is placed into a registry that is held by the FBI, as soon as they offend again and the person they offended comes forth (the tricky bit) they get locked up again and another strike placed against them. Typically a second offense leads to a minimum of 15 years or so, with a max possibly being life depending on the severity of the crime.


I appreciate the facts Fear, but as a parent, I for one am not willing to risk the chance of finding out if the rehabilitation worked or not.

I'm comfortable with saying "once a sex offender, always a sex offender"

Etrain's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:00 AM



I'm just presenting facts, you can argue them until you are blue in the face but they still remain facts. Sex offenders DNA is placed into a registry that is held by the FBI, as soon as they offend again and the person they offended comes forth (the tricky bit) they get locked up again and another strike placed against them. Typically a second offense leads to a minimum of 15 years or so, with a max possibly being life depending on the severity of the crime.


I appreciate the facts Fear, but as a parent, I for one am not willing to risk the chance of finding out if the rehabilitation worked or not.

I'm comfortable with saying "once a sex offender, always a sex offender"

Yes I agree...no second chances to see what happens..bullet to the headexplode explode explode

Winx's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:02 AM
Edited by Winx on Mon 02/23/09 09:02 AM






Convicted sex offenders should be put to death...end of story...you lost your rights...sickos ain't gonna get better, and its been proven time and time again...they won't stop...kill em allexplode explode explode


Actually there are some that did get better...hit or miss, but it can happen.


They don't get better. It's not curable.


With all intended purpose of the very word, nothing is truly curable...just managed.

Either way there have been numerous cases in which a sex offender became a productive member of society upon release, so yes it can and does happen. I don't mean to be coming off in the wrong manner here, but I have researched this to a certain degree with my research of serial killers. The problem is that a lot of prison systems don't have active programs for sex offenders to attend, those that do actually have a very high turnaround.

Again, hit or miss...but it can happen: http://www.atsa.com/pdfs/Managing%20Sex%20Offenders%20in%20the%20Community-A%20National%20Overview-2003.pdf
And as I said...why take the chance...this is not an accident or a mistake in life....this is something that someone wants to do and carries it out without any regard to anyone but themselves! AND..as I said...unless someone is with those that have "recovered" (sorry, still no such thing) 24 hours a day, seven days a week....how does anyone KNOW they have not offended again?


I'm just presenting facts, you can argue them until you are blue in the face but they still remain facts. Sex offenders DNA is placed into a registry that is held by the FBI, as soon as they offend again and the person they offended comes forth (the tricky bit) they get locked up again and another strike placed against them. Typically a second offense leads to a minimum of 15 years or so, with a max possibly being life depending on the severity of the crime.


That's good when they can get DNA. They can't always get it though.
One touch is too much when it comes to a child. And there is no DNA with a touch.

I am a parent. I have zero tolerance for this!!!!



FearandLoathing's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:03 AM



I'm just presenting facts, you can argue them until you are blue in the face but they still remain facts. Sex offenders DNA is placed into a registry that is held by the FBI, as soon as they offend again and the person they offended comes forth (the tricky bit) they get locked up again and another strike placed against them. Typically a second offense leads to a minimum of 15 years or so, with a max possibly being life depending on the severity of the crime.


I appreciate the facts Fear, but as a parent, I for one am not willing to risk the chance of finding out if the rehabilitation worked or not.

I'm comfortable with saying "once a sex offender, always a sex offender"


I understand, that is why they are marked. I have one that lives around the corner from my house, I also have two young sisters...however the crime he committed is hardly devious or violent for that matter, but he is forever labeled a sexual criminal. The one's that do have a turnaround stick on the list and will always be able to be found with an internet search on the database: http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/national-alert/national-alerta.html (Do note this is one of the many, many search engines available)

Stay informed, as well call your local police with any concern you have.flowerforyou

FearandLoathing's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:05 AM
As soon as convicted of a sex offense their DNA is court ordered, then placed in the FBI database. Even the smallest of convictions will net their DNA. Stay informed, stay alert, and always note anything out of the ordinary on your street.flowerforyou

Winx's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:06 AM
Edited by Winx on Mon 02/23/09 09:06 AM




I'm just presenting facts, you can argue them until you are blue in the face but they still remain facts. Sex offenders DNA is placed into a registry that is held by the FBI, as soon as they offend again and the person they offended comes forth (the tricky bit) they get locked up again and another strike placed against them. Typically a second offense leads to a minimum of 15 years or so, with a max possibly being life depending on the severity of the crime.


I appreciate the facts Fear, but as a parent, I for one am not willing to risk the chance of finding out if the rehabilitation worked or not.

I'm comfortable with saying "once a sex offender, always a sex offender"


I understand, that is why they are marked. I have one that lives around the corner from my house, I also have two young sisters...however the crime he committed is hardly devious or violent for that matter, but he is forever labeled a sexual criminal. The one's that do have a turnaround stick on the list and will always be able to be found with an internet search on the database: http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/national-alert/national-alerta.html (Do note this is one of the many, many search engines available)

Stay informed, as well call your local police with any concern you have.flowerforyou


Thanks for the link. But.. I do know that they do move and don't always report it.

You say that your neighbor's crime was hardly devious. Fear, one touch is too much!


FearandLoathing's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:08 AM





I'm just presenting facts, you can argue them until you are blue in the face but they still remain facts. Sex offenders DNA is placed into a registry that is held by the FBI, as soon as they offend again and the person they offended comes forth (the tricky bit) they get locked up again and another strike placed against them. Typically a second offense leads to a minimum of 15 years or so, with a max possibly being life depending on the severity of the crime.


I appreciate the facts Fear, but as a parent, I for one am not willing to risk the chance of finding out if the rehabilitation worked or not.

I'm comfortable with saying "once a sex offender, always a sex offender"


I understand, that is why they are marked. I have one that lives around the corner from my house, I also have two young sisters...however the crime he committed is hardly devious or violent for that matter, but he is forever labeled a sexual criminal. The one's that do have a turnaround stick on the list and will always be able to be found with an internet search on the database: http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/national-alert/national-alerta.html (Do note this is one of the many, many search engines available)

Stay informed, as well call your local police with any concern you have.flowerforyou


Thanks for the link. But.. I do know that they do move and don't always report it.

You say that your neighbor's crime was hardly devious. Fear, one touch is too much!




He didn't touch anyone, he was put up on a dare and flashed a car passing by...that is why the system is silly, even something as mindless as that can net you in it. They have his DNA for life, and for life he is marked a sexual criminal.

Winx's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:12 AM






I'm just presenting facts, you can argue them until you are blue in the face but they still remain facts. Sex offenders DNA is placed into a registry that is held by the FBI, as soon as they offend again and the person they offended comes forth (the tricky bit) they get locked up again and another strike placed against them. Typically a second offense leads to a minimum of 15 years or so, with a max possibly being life depending on the severity of the crime.


I appreciate the facts Fear, but as a parent, I for one am not willing to risk the chance of finding out if the rehabilitation worked or not.

I'm comfortable with saying "once a sex offender, always a sex offender"


I understand, that is why they are marked. I have one that lives around the corner from my house, I also have two young sisters...however the crime he committed is hardly devious or violent for that matter, but he is forever labeled a sexual criminal. The one's that do have a turnaround stick on the list and will always be able to be found with an internet search on the database: http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/national-alert/national-alerta.html (Do note this is one of the many, many search engines available)

Stay informed, as well call your local police with any concern you have.flowerforyou


Thanks for the link. But.. I do know that they do move and don't always report it.

You say that your neighbor's crime was hardly devious. Fear, one touch is too much!




He didn't touch anyone, he was put up on a dare and flashed a car passing by...that is why the system is silly, even something as mindless as that can net you in it. They have his DNA for life, and for life he is marked a sexual criminal.


That is a shame. How old was he when it happened? Maybe that made the difference.

Etrain's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:14 AM
You can tell who has kids and who doesn't...sadly those stats of yours don't mean anything to a parent...and if your neighbor flashed a car on a dare...hes a moron...if thats what he truely did...which I have a hard time believing...of course sexual predators always tell the truth...flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou

FearandLoathing's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:16 AM







I'm just presenting facts, you can argue them until you are blue in the face but they still remain facts. Sex offenders DNA is placed into a registry that is held by the FBI, as soon as they offend again and the person they offended comes forth (the tricky bit) they get locked up again and another strike placed against them. Typically a second offense leads to a minimum of 15 years or so, with a max possibly being life depending on the severity of the crime.


I appreciate the facts Fear, but as a parent, I for one am not willing to risk the chance of finding out if the rehabilitation worked or not.

I'm comfortable with saying "once a sex offender, always a sex offender"


I understand, that is why they are marked. I have one that lives around the corner from my house, I also have two young sisters...however the crime he committed is hardly devious or violent for that matter, but he is forever labeled a sexual criminal. The one's that do have a turnaround stick on the list and will always be able to be found with an internet search on the database: http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/national-alert/national-alerta.html (Do note this is one of the many, many search engines available)

Stay informed, as well call your local police with any concern you have.flowerforyou


Thanks for the link. But.. I do know that they do move and don't always report it.

You say that your neighbor's crime was hardly devious. Fear, one touch is too much!




He didn't touch anyone, he was put up on a dare and flashed a car passing by...that is why the system is silly, even something as mindless as that can net you in it. They have his DNA for life, and for life he is marked a sexual criminal.


That is a shame. How old was he when it happened? Maybe that made the difference.


I don't know him personally, just the case specifics (the PD here is really helpful when you request info)...he was 19, drunk, and out with friends near a rural road. The clincher is that the car he flashed had young children in it, that is what provoked the 911 call. The family didn't pursue the charge, the DA did...spent 6 months in jail, had 2 year probation period with an ankle monitor and attended classes for a year.

I do guess the children in the car didn't have to see that, but again...it was a waste of a life for some silly stunt.

FearandLoathing's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:17 AM

You can tell who has kids and who doesn't...sadly those stats of yours don't mean anything to a parent...and if your neighbor flashed a car on a dare...hes a moron...if thats what he truely did...which I have a hard time believing...of course sexual predators always tell the truth...flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou



Etrain's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:19 AM


You can tell who has kids and who doesn't...sadly those stats of yours don't mean anything to a parent...and if your neighbor flashed a car on a dare...hes a moron...if thats what he truely did...which I have a hard time believing...of course sexual predators always tell the truth...flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou




Do I really...have some kids and then we'll talk sunshine:wink:

Winx's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:23 AM
Edited by Winx on Mon 02/23/09 09:25 AM








He didn't touch anyone, he was put up on a dare and flashed a car passing by...that is why the system is silly, even something as mindless as that can net you in it. They have his DNA for life, and for life he is marked a sexual criminal.


That is a shame. How old was he when it happened? Maybe that made the difference.


I don't know him personally, just the case specifics (the PD here is really helpful when you request info)...he was 19, drunk, and out with friends near a rural road. The clincher is that the car he flashed had young children in it, that is what provoked the 911 call. The family didn't pursue the charge, the DA did...spent 6 months in jail, had 2 year probation period with an ankle monitor and attended classes for a year.

I do guess the children in the car didn't have to see that, but again...it was a waste of a life for some silly stunt.


It's a shame that it turned out like that but it makes a difference when children are involved. Children shouldn't have to see that.

My child was in Cross Country in 3rd grade. My brother took my child jogging in a park for practice. A high school boy on a soccer team mooned the members of the team. He did it several feet from my child and my child saw it all.

I reported it to his high school. He was kicked off the soccer team and several other events. His Dad was a police officer and the boy got into some major trouble with him.

You just can't be doing that around the children.



FearandLoathing's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:23 AM



You can tell who has kids and who doesn't...sadly those stats of yours don't mean anything to a parent...and if your neighbor flashed a car on a dare...hes a moron...if thats what he truely did...which I have a hard time believing...of course sexual predators always tell the truth...flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou




Do I really...have some kids and then we'll talk sunshine:wink:


Nice way to evade half of what you said, I don't disagree that it is shaky with having kids. As well I never said that, let's recap what you wrote real quick: "if thats what he truely did", well that is what the police told me he did..."which I have a hard time believing", well of course you do, you are assuming the worst..."of course sexual predators always tell the truth", wouldn't know, didn't talk to him.

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Mon 02/23/09 09:47 AM
Blah! Blah! Blah! Blah! Shoot em in the head! Castrate them! Give their parents baseball bats! F*cking lynch mob mentality with 3 pages of vigilante crap. But hardly any useful solutions. Gee- instead of whining and venting on a dating website, why don't you get involved? Why don't you stay in touch with congressmen and senators over this issue? Why don't you join civics in your community and work on this issue? Why don't you volunteer your time to help the victims and families like I do? Oh- that's right. That would make sense. Sorry. But talking about it on a dating site does very little. Look up bikers against abused children. Become involved. The time and effort you give will change your life. We need to root out the bad guys and put em away. And we need to help the children heal. I'm a victim. I healed. And together we can help others heal. Your actions will speak louder than your words.

Etrain's photo
Mon 02/23/09 10:01 AM
Words of wisdom LHB...words of wisdom

longhairbiker's photo
Mon 02/23/09 10:06 AM
This thread really pisses me off. All talk and no action. Bunch of whiney crybaby sheep. Whaah whaah whaah but won't do anything about it. I'm seriously sick of the stupidity. DO SOMETHING about it or shut up! Bunch of passive compliant idiots.

Winx's photo
Mon 02/23/09 10:08 AM

This thread really pisses me off. All talk and no action. Bunch of whiney crybaby sheep. Whaah whaah whaah but won't do anything about it. I'm seriously sick of the stupidity. DO SOMETHING about it or shut up! Bunch of passive compliant idiots.


Talking creates education and can start the ball rolling for action.flowerforyou

TBRich's photo
Mon 02/23/09 10:13 AM
I have worked with sex offenders for over 13 years; it is a very complicated issue. For example, one guy was assigned to therapy with me and had plead down his charges, so he kept asking why he was there, since all he did was break a lamp (plead down from rape); I worked based on the framework of Stanton Samenow and was highly successful; then I would see sex therapists and others therapists routinely do things which were counter-productive repeatedly. I interviewed one guy in front of his therapist and her jaw just dropped when I got him to actually open up and talk and she was seeing him for over fours years. I had three relapses in over 13 years and you know what? I got paid squat and treated like a red-headed stepchild for being showing other therapists up.

Etrain's photo
Mon 02/23/09 10:14 AM
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