This is exactly how the church controls it's people, they believe that people are essentially bad and needed to be fixed.. Sad! A negative way of looking at things, I think. Instead of thinking people are essentially good which is more the truth. If people were essentially bad our world most likely would not exist right now, we would have killed each other off. The only way the church can keep domination over people is to have them believe this sort of thing.

I grew up with this idea, but got rid of that stuff years ago, and funny thing is I am still essentially good, go figure.

Don't we have Stalin's Russia as a prototype for this Hypothesis?

I wouldn’t throw out the baby with the bath water. I think there are many, many benefits to be derived from religion. As I said in another, similar thread, religion is no more to blame for the world’s ills than is politics. (Ultimately, there is scarcely any difference between the two.)


I don’t think there is any group or organization that is essential to maintain order and peace in the world. Mankind’s history has pretty well proven that organizations cannot maintain order and peace. It has never happened and it never will. I do think however that religion can play a big part in it in the sense that most religions have some sort of a moral code that, if followed, would generally be beneficial to most everyone.


On the contrary, I think it is about time for it to evolve into something that actually benefits the spiritual side of man in the here–and-now instead of just making promises about the hereafter.


The best way to increase understanding is quite simply to communicate. The more communication there is, the more understanding there is. Now of course communication is a huge subject in itself. But basically, that’s the best (only?) way to truly increase understanding.

Stalin's Russia wasn't a prototype of the world without religion, it was more of making the state the religion.

I find it funny, how when one points out the many flaws in religion, you will claim that those flaws aren't in everyone's beliefs, but when we talk of a world without religion, you make the rather broad generalization that it would equal Stalin's Russia.

You like to make the statement, that those who kill in the name of god, "aren't true" to their religious beliefs, yet here you are making they statement that lack of religion(or Atheism) was responsible for the evils that Stalin committed. Yet, even basic research will prove that there were other factors, and other, non-religious beliefs that were behind it.

Religion is a by product of the evolutionary change that made abstract thought possible, this happened in a time when we could not rational explain very many things. The hardware came first, sadly it takes a long time to get the software bug free . . .


Answer: yes

All religions are false and destructive in my opinion. Yes, the world would be a much better place without it. Dennis

I don't think you can compare an insane person who happens to be an athiest, with regular government without religion. Just like we don't judge you based on all the crimes Xians have committed in the past.

I'm interested in this "evolutionary change that made abstract thought possible". What is the theory on it? What exactly was it? When did it happen?

Good questions, I am reading several books right now. I am at work or I could get some references for you, ill try to get some later for you.

1. No, I really don't think so because then government would be in total charge of everything, unquestioned by conscience, unchallenged by the people who look to a higher authority. People would worship Barack Obama. Plus, government would get all the tax money.

2. No. All that is essential to maintain order and peace in the world is a dictator who rules with an iron hand. Kill all the dissenters.

3. No. The plan is a one world government and a one world religion. That one religion will not come to an end in this third density physical world.

4. Nothing is true. (There is only point of view and information.) A better understanding amongst people in general will come to pass when we evolve to communication via telepathy.