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Topic: I AM BI-POLAR
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Thu 02/12/09 07:52 AM
Edited by aLittleBird on Thu 02/12/09 07:52 AM

Winx's photo
Thu 02/12/09 07:54 AM

Sensual.... yes, thank you for seeing my point. Bipolar Disorder can take up to ten years to diagnose.... and never ever after just one session, much less with a psychiatrist. Not knocking them.... but DX is not their area of expertise most times.

You can find several good articles on the conditions you listed on the Internet, but be wary. The "checklists" are not accurate, as there is a co-morbidity in many illnesses, such as with your friend's daughter.

Many times, people are diagnosed as a way to get money. If it is an MMI then they can bill for services at a higher rate. If they don't know what is wrong, then often dual diagnose. The issue is, it's rare that these folks who diagnose actually do testing and get historical records to confirm or deny their initial impressions, however accurate they might seem at the time.


Lily,

I mentioned psychiatrist. I believe that too many people are getting anti-depressants and diagnoses from Internists/G.P.s. It's one of my pet peeves. I believe that psychiatrists and clinical psychologists are both good.

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Thu 02/12/09 07:54 AM
Have a Fiber one bar, they are great!!

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Thu 02/12/09 07:56 AM



I agree with alot of people in this thread that too many dr's diagnose people as Bipolar. But depression is NO laughing matter you should take it very serious!! There is probably alot of underlineing things that need to be checked out!!

I have LIVED with depression for over a decade. It isn't easy and its alot of constant work but you can survive and thrive even!! Good Luck!
drinker :tongue:


Thanks scorpio!smokin you gotta just keep movin!!! drinker
I also agree that bi-polar is overly diagnosed but I know that by the time I was diagnosed with it I was an absolute mess. Being diagnosed saved my life. I had no idea what was wrong with me and finally there was a name for it and a treatment for me. I don't think I'd be alive today if that weren't to have happened. I'm very grateful today.

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Thu 02/12/09 07:58 AM

Lily,

I mentioned psychiatrist. I believe that too many people are getting anti-depressants and diagnoses from Internists/G.P.s. It's one of my pet peeves. I believe that psychiatrists and clinical psychologists are both good.


I totally agree. GP's should not be prescribing psychiatric medications.

But... I think psychiatrists should not be either unless the patient has been evaluated by a diagnostician.

Would you accept being treated for diabetes if the proper testing was not done first? It is the same thing... without of course the death issue...

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Thu 02/12/09 08:00 AM


Lily,

I mentioned psychiatrist. I believe that too many people are getting anti-depressants and diagnoses from Internists/G.P.s. It's one of my pet peeves. I believe that psychiatrists and clinical psychologists are both good.


I totally agree. GP's should not be prescribing psychiatric medications.

But... I think psychiatrists should not be either unless the patient has been evaluated by a diagnostician.

Would you accept being treated for diabetes if the proper testing was not done first? It is the same thing... without of course the death issue...


Psychiatrists test, don't they?

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Thu 02/12/09 08:04 AM
Edited by lilith401 on Thu 02/12/09 08:05 AM



Lily,

I mentioned psychiatrist. I believe that too many people are getting anti-depressants and diagnoses from Internists/G.P.s. It's one of my pet peeves. I believe that psychiatrists and clinical psychologists are both good.


I totally agree. GP's should not be prescribing psychiatric medications.

But... I think psychiatrists should not be either unless the patient has been evaluated by a diagnostician.

Would you accept being treated for diabetes if the proper testing was not done first? It is the same thing... without of course the death issue...


Psychiatrists test, don't they?


NO!!!!!

They do not. This is a common misconception. They do an oral interview and the DX is based on SELF REPORT. They do no clinical testing and obtain no prior treatment and background records from which to support or refute symptoms and self reported information. Clinical testing, only properly administered by ABPP Pyschologists.... this is scientifically accurate.

No way, no how can a self report to a psychiatrist be scientifically accurate. People lie. We all do. How accurately do we self report our own stuff to an MD? Are we medication compliant? Do we always finish our antibiotics? Nooooo

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Thu 02/12/09 08:12 AM




Lily,

I mentioned psychiatrist. I believe that too many people are getting anti-depressants and diagnoses from Internists/G.P.s. It's one of my pet peeves. I believe that psychiatrists and clinical psychologists are both good.


I totally agree. GP's should not be prescribing psychiatric medications.

But... I think psychiatrists should not be either unless the patient has been evaluated by a diagnostician.

Would you accept being treated for diabetes if the proper testing was not done first? It is the same thing... without of course the death issue...


Psychiatrists test, don't they?


NO!!!!!

They do not. This is a common misconception. They do an oral interview and the DX is based on SELF REPORT. They do no clinical testing and obtain no prior treatment and background records from which to support or refute symptoms and self reported information. Clinical testing, only properly administered by ABPP Pyschologists.... this is scientifically accurate.

No way, no how can a self report to a psychiatrist be scientifically accurate. People lie. We all do. How accurately do we self report our own stuff to an MD? Are we medication compliant? Do we always finish our antibiotics? Nooooo
My diagnosis came about through many meetings with psychiatrists, psychologists, and a therepist who would then meet as a treatment "team" to discuss my diagnosis and subsequent treatment.

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Thu 02/12/09 08:22 AM

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Thu 02/12/09 08:35 AM
hahahaha that^s funny

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Thu 02/12/09 08:41 AM
ya gotta keep a sense of humor....lol

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Thu 02/12/09 09:05 AM



Lily,

I mentioned psychiatrist. I believe that too many people are getting anti-depressants and diagnoses from Internists/G.P.s. It's one of my pet peeves. I believe that psychiatrists and clinical psychologists are both good.


I totally agree. GP's should not be prescribing psychiatric medications.

But... I think psychiatrists should not be either unless the patient has been evaluated by a diagnostician.

Would you accept being treated for diabetes if the proper testing was not done first? It is the same thing... without of course the death issue...


Psychiatrists test, don't they?


"Whoops, that didn't work. time to try something else." Yes, they do test. Lab rats are used for testing too.

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Wed 02/25/09 08:01 PM


well i was told by this lady she is my doc well one of them i have 7 of them but she show me things and ask me some questions about my life and what i^m doing and how do i feel about things


Bipolar Disorder the the most commonly misdiagnosed and overdiagnosed MMI, next to ADD and AD/HD.

The only way to determine if you truly have Bipolar Disorder (It is not hyphenated) is to see a diagnostician, which would be a clinical psychologist who is board certified, ABPP.

Here is an example of the overdiagnosing of Bipolar. In 1994 the number of teens diagnosed was around 40,000. In 2004 the number of teens diagnosed was 800,000. Thereabouts....(I cannot cite the article, it was quoted to me by an ABPP PhD)

The symptoms you listed....
1. I feel sad and empty.
2. Lose interest in doing things that I usually enjoyed.
3. Sometimes I feel unusually great.
4. I have alot of rage

Those can fit just about everyone at certain times in their life and you subscribing to those symptoms... it means next to NOTHING. Checklists for Bipolar are overlapping with situational depression, polysubstance abuse, alcohol abuse and/or dependence, antisocial behavior disorder, borderline personality disorder, impulse control disorder, conduct disorder, ADD, adjustment disorder, etc etc etc. Get the point?


that's an amazing statistic..i crunched the numbers..that's an increase of 34.93% per year..alarming, if it was an investment..it would beat any indexes..large cap/midcap/smallcap/value growth.ect..and i suspect even hedge funds can't outperform that for 10 years...let's sure hope that it is overstated..future US productivity can be at stake.

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Fri 02/27/09 06:02 AM

that's an amazing statistic..i crunched the numbers..that's an increase of 34.93% per year..alarming, if it was an investment..it would beat any indexes..large cap/midcap/smallcap/value growth.ect..and i suspect even hedge funds can't outperform that for 10 years...let's sure hope that it is overstated..future US productivity can be at stake.


In the 80's we weren't mentally ill. We were troubled teens. It took a couple decades for the religion my mother is a part of to catch up to the times as well. They kicked me out of their fellowship when I was a kid. \/\/hatever. Diagnosis helps but losing the stigma of the illness is probably the most important. It's really a simple clinical issue, nothing more. The reality of my own illness is that it has made me who I am and helped me in areas of creativity. As an inventor, I'd have to say I never want to be normal, except for times when I have to operate a washing machine.

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Fri 02/27/09 02:06 PM
my son has had a neuro psyche exam ,has seen a psychiatrist and sees a psychologist all of which agree he has adhd,and borderline bipolar disorder.Now that he is on the right combo of meds prescribed by his psychiatrist he is doing awesome.

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