Topic: I AM BI-POLAR
PATSFAN's photo
Thu 02/12/09 06:47 AM
You are just in a rut, what you are feeling is normal.

sensualsweet's photo
Thu 02/12/09 06:48 AM

I often wonder if having no empathy<not feeling sorry or guilty or bad> for things you have done wrong would be one of them?


That is a symptom of Autism.

buttons's photo
Thu 02/12/09 06:49 AM


I often wonder if having no empathy<not feeling sorry or guilty or bad> for things you have done wrong would be one of them?


That's a different illness, more antisocial than bipolar. If anything bipolar types feel more, not less.
thanks joeflowerforyou my son has all the symptoms but he also has no empathy... so i was curious maybe he has 2 things wrong... not sure.

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Thu 02/12/09 06:53 AM

If I don't manage it prpoerly I become absolutely un-bearable to be around and un-able to function at all. For years I bounced around from job to job and place to place and managed to alienate everybody in my life. I drank and used drugs indiscriminately. It took years but once I learned how to manage being Bi-polar my life changed drastically for the better. I'm a completely different person now than the one I used to be.
It was many years before I found out what was actually wrong even though I knew something was. It really didn't surprise me once I was diagnosed. In fact, I was relieved.

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Thu 02/12/09 06:55 AM
Edited by sensualsweet on Thu 02/12/09 07:14 AM



I often wonder if having no empathy<not feeling sorry or guilty or bad> for things you have done wrong would be one of them?


That's a different illness, more antisocial than bipolar. If anything bipolar types feel more, not less.
thanks joeflowerforyou my son has all the symptoms but he also has no empathy... so i was curious maybe he has 2 things wrong... not sure.


My best friend is both Bi-Polar and has Autism. His degree of Autism is the highest functioning form of it... It's known as Aspberger's syndrome. (Not sure I spelled that correctly).

His Bi-Polar has him swinging from one end of the emotional spectrum to the other... Way down, depressed or Way Up.. Manic on a high.... He has to deal with suicidal thoughts all the time. He has very low self esteem.

His Autism (Aspberger's) symptoms include antisocial tendencies.. No eye contact, doesn't like being around people, including family - doesn't like crowds, doesn't like to talk to people. He won't attend any of my family get togethers and has only met my sister and brother-in-law after all these years. Doesn't like to have people at the house. If I had company over, he would stay in his room (when we were roommates). He has a short temper and gets frustrated very quickly with small issues and tasks. He doesn't like physical contact... being touched, kissed, hugged, etc.

He also has trouble trying new foods, tastes, textures, etc. Eats one course of food at a time, and can't have his food touching each other on the plate.

Nevertheless, I do understand him and have to give him a lot of credit. He has come a long way and he is forever getting books on the subjects and on the web researching and reading about it.

His daughter is also Autistic - highest level functioning. She displays much more acute signs of the symptoms as she hasn't yet learned to recognize and manage many of her symptoms. To her, it's normal and the rest of the world has the problem. She's only 12 and constantly having emotional meltdowns (at home) over her appearance and other peer pressure issues. She says things sometimes that can be very cold and unfeeling as though she has no regard for others' feelings. If I would tell her, "Honey, you're standing in my way" while preparing dinner, she'll nod, but do nothing... she doesn't move. I have to tell her to move and tell her where to stand. She doesn't put it together like one would expect. Consequences of her behavior don't seem to phase her... the thought never crosses her mind.

Well, anyway... I hope this helps. I know that my friend has spent a lifetime and a ruined marriage learning how to recognize and manage his symptoms. But it has made him a better person... both to the world and in his own eyes. He is happier with who he is now.

tessa68's photo
Thu 02/12/09 06:55 AM
yeah i know someone who has the same disorder like yours, so difficult to understand his condition and I gave up

drew1on79's photo
Thu 02/12/09 06:58 AM
well i was told by this lady she is my doc well one of them i have 7 of them but she show me things and ask me some questions about my life and what i^m doing and how do i feel about things

Winx's photo
Thu 02/12/09 06:58 AM



I often wonder if having no empathy<not feeling sorry or guilty or bad> for things you have done wrong would be one of them?


That's a different illness, more antisocial than bipolar. If anything bipolar types feel more, not less.
thanks joeflowerforyou my son has all the symptoms but he also has no empathy... so i was curious maybe he has 2 things wrong... not sure.


Buttons,

There are several diagnoses that include lack of empathy. Depression is one of them. Addict/Alcoholic is another. The other posters are correct with autism and anti-social personality disorder.

WETLICIOUS's photo
Thu 02/12/09 07:10 AM
I HAVE BI-POLAR TYPE 2

Winx's photo
Thu 02/12/09 07:11 AM

well i was told by this lady she is my doc well one of them i have 7 of them but she show me things and ask me some questions about my life and what i^m doing and how do i feel about things


Is she a psychiatrist? I hope so.flowerforyou

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Thu 02/12/09 07:11 AM

well i was told by this lady she is my doc well one of them i have 7 of them but she show me things and ask me some questions about my life and what i^m doing and how do i feel about things


Bipolar Disorder the the most commonly misdiagnosed and overdiagnosed MMI, next to ADD and AD/HD.

The only way to determine if you truly have Bipolar Disorder (It is not hyphenated) is to see a diagnostician, which would be a clinical psychologist who is board certified, ABPP.

Here is an example of the overdiagnosing of Bipolar. In 1994 the number of teens diagnosed was around 40,000. In 2004 the number of teens diagnosed was 800,000. Thereabouts....(I cannot cite the article, it was quoted to me by an ABPP PhD)

The symptoms you listed....
1. I feel sad and empty.
2. Lose interest in doing things that I usually enjoyed.
3. Sometimes I feel unusually great.
4. I have alot of rage

Those can fit just about everyone at certain times in their life and you subscribing to those symptoms... it means next to NOTHING. Checklists for Bipolar are overlapping with situational depression, polysubstance abuse, alcohol abuse and/or dependence, antisocial behavior disorder, borderline personality disorder, impulse control disorder, conduct disorder, ADD, adjustment disorder, etc etc etc. Get the point?

lilith401's photo
Thu 02/12/09 07:16 AM


I often wonder if having no empathy<not feeling sorry or guilty or bad> for things you have done wrong would be one of them?


That is a symptom of Autism.


Yes, but it is a symptom of many many things. It is also a symptom of antisocials.... commonly known as assholes, but with a diagnosis to prove it. laugh

buttons's photo
Thu 02/12/09 07:19 AM




I often wonder if having no empathy<not feeling sorry or guilty or bad> for things you have done wrong would be one of them?


That's a different illness, more antisocial than bipolar. If anything bipolar types feel more, not less.
thanks joeflowerforyou my son has all the symptoms but he also has no empathy... so i was curious maybe he has 2 things wrong... not sure.


My best friend is both Bi-Polar and has Autism. His degree of Autism is the highest functioning form of it... It's known as Aspberger's syndrome. (Not sure I spelled that correctly).

His Bi-Polar has him swinging from one end of the emotional spectrum to the other... Way down, depressed or Way Up.. Manic on a high.... He has to deal with suicidal thoughts all the time. He has very low self esteem.

His Autism (Aspberger's) symptoms include antisocial tendencies.. No eye contact, doesn't like being around people, including family - doesn't like crowds, doesn't like to talk to people. He won't attend any of my family get togethers and has only met my sister and brother-in-law after all these years. Doesn't like to have people at the house. If I had company over, he would stay in his room (when we were roommates). He has a short temper and gets frustrated very quickly with small issues and tasks. He doesn't like physical contact... being touched, kissed, hugged, etc.

He also has trouble trying new foods, tastes, textures, etc. Eats one course of food at a time, and can't have his food touching each other on the plate.

Nevertheless, I do understand him and have to give him a lot of credit. He has come a long way and he is forever getting books on the subjects and on the web researching and reading about it.

His daughter is also Autistic - highest level functioning. She displays much more acute signs of the symptoms as she hasn't yet learned to recognize and manage many of her symptoms. To her, it's normal and the rest of the world has the problem. She's only 12 and constantly having emotional meltdowns (at home) over her appearance and other peer pressure issues. She says things sometimes that can be very cold and unfeeling as though she has no regard for others' feelings. If I would tell her, "Honey, you're standing in my way" while preparing dinner, she'll nod, but do nothing... she doesn't move. I have to tell her to move and tell her where to stand. She doesn't put it together like one would expect. Consequences of her behavior don't seem to phase her... the thought never crosses her mind.

Well, anyway... I hope this helps. I know that my friend has spent a lifetime and a ruined marriage learning how to recognize and manage his symptoms. But it has made him a better person... both to the world and in his own eyes. He is happier with who he is now.

thank you... interesting too bad i have to go to work.... have a good day all... thanks winx too!

sensualsweet's photo
Thu 02/12/09 07:26 AM


well i was told by this lady she is my doc well one of them i have 7 of them but she show me things and ask me some questions about my life and what i^m doing and how do i feel about things


Bipolar Disorder the the most commonly misdiagnosed and overdiagnosed MMI, next to ADD and AD/HD.

The only way to determine if you truly have Bipolar Disorder (It is not hyphenated) is to see a diagnostician, which would be a clinical psychologist who is board certified, ABPP.

Here is an example of the overdiagnosing of Bipolar. In 1994 the number of teens diagnosed was around 40,000. In 2004 the number of teens diagnosed was 800,000. Thereabouts....(I cannot cite the article, it was quoted to me by an ABPP PhD)

The symptoms you listed....
1. I feel sad and empty.
2. Lose interest in doing things that I usually enjoyed.
3. Sometimes I feel unusually great.
4. I have alot of rage

Those can fit just about everyone at certain times in their life and you subscribing to those symptoms... it means next to NOTHING. Checklists for Bipolar are overlapping with situational depression, polysubstance abuse, alcohol abuse and/or dependence, antisocial behavior disorder, borderline personality disorder, impulse control disorder, conduct disorder, ADD, adjustment disorder, etc etc etc. Get the point?


I am glad you clarified this... as I said, it's my friend and his daughter who have Bipolar and Autism, and I only know what I've witnessed and what he has told me over the years. I think some of the symptoms of the two also overlap. I don't begin to know much about the disorders, only what I've learned through him.

My Ex and my Son have been diagnosed with Clinical Depression, but I don't know much about that either. I only knew of my Ex's diagnosis after our divorce, and my son was diagnosed in the military, so neither of them will discuss it much with me. I am not sure if it is a temporary occurring (intermittant) disorder, or what.

I have also seen where many young children, especially boys, have been diagnosed with ADD, or ADHD. I often wonder how many of these diagnoses (spelling?) are accurate when given by a GP or only after one session with a Psychologist.

I personally, agree that our society today is quick to put a tag on everything that comes down the pike. I also think that way too many people are on anti-depressants and perhaps this is why we seem to have become a more passive-agressive society. We don't have the coping skills today that our parents may have had. I'm babbling, so I'll quit here.

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Thu 02/12/09 07:31 AM
Sensual.... yes, thank you for seeing my point. Bipolar Disorder can take up to ten years to diagnose.... and never ever after just one session, much less with a psychiatrist. Not knocking them.... but DX is not their area of expertise most times.

You can find several good articles on the conditions you listed on the Internet, but be wary. The "checklists" are not accurate, as there is a co-morbidity in many illnesses, such as with your friend's daughter.

Many times, people are diagnosed as a way to get money. If it is an MMI then they can bill for services at a higher rate. If they don't know what is wrong, then often dual diagnose. The issue is, it's rare that these folks who diagnose actually do testing and get historical records to confirm or deny their initial impressions, however accurate they might seem at the time.

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Thu 02/12/09 07:33 AM
Edited by sensualsweet on Thu 02/12/09 07:43 AM

Sensual.... yes, thank you for seeing my point. Bipolar Disorder can take up to ten years to diagnose.... and never ever after just one session, much less with a psychiatrist. Not knocking them.... but DX is not their area of expertise most times.

You can find several good articles on the conditions you listed on the Internet, but be wary. The "checklists" are not accurate, as there is a co-morbidity in many illnesses, such as with your friend's daughter.

Many times, people are diagnosed as a way to get money. If it is an MMI then they can bill for services at a higher rate. If they don't know what is wrong, then often dual diagnose. The issue is, it's rare that these folks who diagnose actually do testing and get historical records to confirm or deny their initial impressions, however accurate they might seem at the time.


Yes, I understand that... he is constantly researching both and forever seeing new doctors and specialists, counselors, etc. He truly wants to understand and "control" his disorders, and especially to help his daughter. He has so many books on the subjects. Aspberger's is the latest specific diagnosis, so he is trying to find counselors and doctors who are more familiar with that. I feel for him. He is determined to get a handle on this and I see his frustration.

He is a wonderful man and I see how he struggles with all of this. He is aware that he is different from the rest of the world (as he puts it), and he is determined to "beat" it, or at least find a way to lessen the gap.

He is also forever changing meds and I fear that is not very good for him. He also has other health issues that concern me, so the meds for those, I'm sure are probably conflicting with his anti-depressants. It's so sad.

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Thu 02/12/09 07:34 AM
I agree with alot of people in this thread that too many dr's diagnose people as Bipolar. But depression is NO laughing matter you should take it very serious!! There is probably alot of underlineing things that need to be checked out!!

I have LIVED with depression for over a decade. It isn't easy and its alot of constant work but you can survive and thrive even!! Good Luck!

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Thu 02/12/09 07:38 AM

I agree with alot of people in this thread that too many dr's diagnose people as Bipolar. But depression is NO laughing matter you should take it very serious!! There is probably alot of underlineing things that need to be checked out!!

I have LIVED with depression for over a decade. It isn't easy and its alot of constant work but you can survive and thrive even!! Good Luck!
drinker :tongue:

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Thu 02/12/09 07:39 AM
They're coming to take me away, HA HA
They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA H
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa

fairycatcher31's photo
Thu 02/12/09 07:42 AM


I agree with alot of people in this thread that too many dr's diagnose people as Bipolar. But depression is NO laughing matter you should take it very serious!! There is probably alot of underlineing things that need to be checked out!!

I have LIVED with depression for over a decade. It isn't easy and its alot of constant work but you can survive and thrive even!! Good Luck!
drinker :tongue:


Thanks scorpio!smokin you gotta just keep movin!!! drinker