Does it say in the old or new testament of the bible that "Thou shall not kill?"

If this is to be true then why is half of the book full of stories about killing? The many wars is about killing?

If this is true then why is there a hell that will end your eternal soul? Isn't that killing?

If this is true why must Jesus die on a cross showing us death? (I know why historically and have my reasons to believe them, but would like to know why you believe this to be true concerning the contradiction to the phrase "Thou shall not kill")

and I probably missed many many more acts of killing approved by The God of Abraham that goes with the contradiction of "Thou shall not kill."


This is a earnest question for those who study the bible, for it would interest me how it is actually interperated by those who study theology.

thank you.

You have to look at the entire book.

Some of the book is an historical account.....in which there was some killing.

We are instructed not to kill. It does not necessarily follow that there will be no mention of it having happened.

but what I don't understand is that God ordered the killings although he said "thou shall not kill."

am I missing something here?

Noah Ark's flood is one example?? He asked two of each species to go on this big boat and the rest shall die. He knowingly knew this would happen. Couldn't he have saved everyone? Why didn't he?

I am sure there are more stories, but that is one example I can think of at the moment.

Well...all I can tell you is that we cannot possibly hope to understand God's ways. Often times, we try to impose our own nature onto God....assuming that He thinks the way we do...or would do what we would do. And that just isn't the case. Take Abraham for example. Abraham pledged his complete obedience to God, who then commanded Abraham to kill his son. But you have to remember that God is also not bound by time...or space. I'm very sure that God already knew the Abraham would obey. So what happened? God stopped Abraham. Think for a moment on why..... Does that sound like a God who WANTS death?

Now there were all varieties of killing that happened. God does allow unpleasant things to happen. And His reasons for that are perhaps one of those things we just cannot understand. But if you have a belief that God does work all things for good for those who love the Lord and are called according to His purpose....the actual things that occur become less relavent. Our focus is suppose to be on the trust in God.....just like a child doesn't understand a parent's actions, but trusts that it is for their own good. Or sometimes they don't understand......but the parent's motivation is still the same.....the best interest of the child.

Did I just ramble there?

Hey at least I get a reply on one of my posts

Yes it is truly strange to understand this book, yet blind faith will be a problem for many in the future around the world, yet I see here in the states that many do it and feel good about it.

Some call the bible a fairy tale book

Some call it a terrible book

Some call it the only book to follow

Some call it a great book and faith to follow

Whatever the case is many will surely have an opinion on it. That we cannot deny

Why have Noah build the arc in the first place? I mean afterall... if he created us once couldn't he create us again? If he really wanted to start over, why not start fresh?

Just a wild guess. Maybe for entertainment purposes

One more example of us not understanding God's ways.

Its a trick of the Draconians

I gotta finish a project....so I gotta bail.

Check ya all later!!!

no one will believe you

but me

Good luck on that project

In the King James - the English translates into "kill". As in "Thou shalt not kill"

In the more modern versions - it is "Murder".

When one examines the English exegesis, the correct interpretation is murder, as it would be difficult to carry out the necessary sacrifices of Leviticus without "killing" a beast for it.

so thou shall not murder is the correct term. This means thou can kill if have to or confronted with no other options when defending oneself. Is this correct?

the words of text also say all words are prophecy, so then THOU SHALT NOT KILL, is a prophecy of what all humankind will "WANT" when all be bought to completion, with each "one click of the dial", of the clock of the earth, or when all is FULLFILLED for each "6 total ages or era's in total???'

lol....

and the book ALSO SAY, TO "NOT" FOLLOW THE BOOK TO SAVE ONESELF OR MAKE ONESELF AS GOOD, OR THE WORDS WITHIN ARE A CURSE and will make oneself as blind to truth and make oneself fail???

and the book ALSO say, the first PRINCIPLE TO UNDERSTAND THE BOOK, IS THAT "GOD" IS UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, then, when one read and hear ANY STORY WITHIN, there is a DIFFERENT MEANING HEARD AND SEEN???

as the flood, IS THE SAVING OF THE "WHOLE WORLD"!!!

text describe it as the earth as a "clock face", and each time the earth SHIFT IT'S AXIS, is after a total of six ages or era's, to from and make another NEWER OR MORE ADVANCED STAGE OF GROWTH???

each time around, the earth ROTATE the same as a clock, from 12, to 2, to 4, to 6, to 8, to 10, to back to 12???

each time before the earth shift, it move a half space, or first as a clock does, to 1, this then bring a "transistion time" or readiness time, where all the earth is informed IN ADVANCE WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN, before it happen, AS MAN CLING NATURALLY TO IT'S CURRENT LESSOR FORM OF LIFE, and so must be as dragged "to better", during these times, and as any good father, NONE ARE LEFT BEHIND!!!

then, after the strike of the clock to 11.75 degree's, then the move to the BIGGER INSTANTEOUS MOVE TO 2, or 23.5 degrees, this happening six times as the earth rotate around, like one of our own clocks???

this be the same as the myan calender, the same as the just the telling of the "life cycle of earth"???

earth just called the "womb" of life???

it be the same creation spoken of from EACH RELIGION, but each turn on the dial, has a "text written" to give specific numbers of rotations and ALL THAT HAPPEN BEFORE IT HAPPEN, just to ensure less fear when things larger than man take place???

so major shift of the dial from 12 to 2, then 2 to 4, to 6, to 8, to 10, to back to straight up, is a shift or reversal of the poles, and in between each is also the mini cycle of six cycles, or when the clock strike 1, then 3, then 6, then 9, and so on, again until revoling totally in one circle, making one turn as A TOTAL OF 12???

twelve zodiac's, twelve "tribes", twelve planets, many twelves???

so how many times does the clock go around for a total earth cycle???

3 time around each as six turns???

anyhow, EACH THIRD TICK, OR AFTER A 2 THEN 4 THEN 6, a space of about a half hour is done, or the passing away of "stunted growth", and all things sprout to full growth and no death???

so each cycle at the top and bottom of the hour, LIFE IS UNRESTRAINED, SO GROWTH LOOK AS THOUGH MUCH LONGER THAN IT APPEAR???

after that time, come the flood renewal of the whole earth, but NO FLESH IS STILL HERE???

all science in the days in between each "half hour", are meant to dig up, or seek the proof, then at the top or bottom of the hour, ALL IS UNITED AS ONE COLLECTIVE SUM OF DATA, AND PARADISE IS SET IN MOTION ON THE PLANET, where all the past myths of "gods" on the earth come from, and many such fables as past down thru past times???

NOT ONE "CHILD" IS EVER LOST THOUGHT IN ANY FLOOD TO DESTROY EVER!!!

this would be a terrible parent, and the first clue that the human brain has tried to figure out the mind of god, and so used only experience of the human single life itself, and read and heard thru fear???

the FLOOD JUST RENEWAL OF RECOURSES???

is god or perfect planet not thought to be a least as smart as a produce manager, that rotate the produce to keep it's stock fresh???

that is basically the entire premise of the text, and all else spoken from within was warned to not listen to, and said within the book itself, that anything that use the book to sho9w how some are of god, and some are not, or to show anything except how god is UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, IS OF ANTI CHRIST, OR JUST NOT ALL THE STORY???

all human flesh "destroyed" "heard" in the correct way, IS MAN IS FREED from the human body???

CARRIED TO SAFETY BY THE TRUTH OF HEART, CALLED THE "ARK" OF BELIEF, also as the ark of the covenant, the minds of ALL HUMANS SPEICIES OF PAST DAYS, LEAVING ALL KINDS OF CLUES THAT "THEY WERE NOT LEFT FOR DEAD and that BEFORE A PLE SHIFT, THEY FOUND OUT ALL THEY NEEDED TO KNOW, but ar not allowed to "tell the ending" for the next age, or the "plan is spoiled"???

the expereince needed to CREATED BY MAN ITSELF, WOULD NOT BE DONE, IF MAN KNEW IN "ADVANCE" THE ENDING???

so when the earth rotate to straight up, and then the other time when turning until stright down???

what is up to man is DOWN to god, and what is DOWN to man, is UP to god???

this is the time when there is "garden of eden", or man no longer "subject to "fallen status", this in the beginning of each cycle, created by the STARING OFF OF THE EARTH THRU A ROTATION???

but, when GROWTH OF THE PLANET IS NOT RESTRAINED BY LIFE AND DEATH, AS WITH WINTER AND SUMMER, BE THE SAME AS WHEN NEW LIFE COMES FORTH FROM THE OCEANS, AND THE LAYERS UNDER THE COLD OF THE ARTIC???

each tirn of the dial be a "new world", or one that is "reshaped" into more than the last???

ok.....

just hate to see so many things taken as some meaning, that is certainly not what this ignorant one see's from the same words???


peace

yeah this is my understanding of it also.

Convenient way to explain the atrocities. Convenient also if we are to accept his own commands to kill as an act we wouldn't understand. Seems to me I 'can' understand that asking someone to kill their son is bizarre and kinda sick to ask of someone that would have done it by blind faith alone. I would dislike this god, as well as have little respect for a guy that would kill his son for his god...

Can you imagine someone telling a judge he killed his son because his god asked him to. The guy would be in prison or in a straight jacket.

I just don't understand the mentality of how anyone can follow a book that has a God who has the power to kill or murder (even his son) and then preach that we should not kill or murder.

I would rather take the example of someone who doesn't kill or murder and take his or her word for it that it is not good to do then a God that does these atrocities and then says we should not do them.

If punishment is death each time then this is exactly the mentality our forefathers had in many of the civilizations that ruled the world at its time.

Genghis Khan, Napolean, Hitler, Alexander, Julius Caeser, etc. etc.

In the long run to follow a book that contradicts itself is something hard to follow as oppose to a belief system that emphasizes on peace and actually practices it.

The time of forcing ones belief system is coming to an end hopefully as mediterrenean mythologies should have ended 1000 years ago. Hopefully our younger generations will know better.

and to tell you the truth it looks very promising for some countries.

The thing that gets me is how story after story in the bible is about God killing, or people killing/prepared to kill in the name of God. Yet we are constantly told that God is a merciful God.
It just really doesn't add up, IMO.

if i say to another, "IF I TELL YA, I'LL HAVE TO KILL YA", have i said i shall murder another???

yea and no, as the PERCEPTION OF THE HEARER OF ALL WORDS DECIDES THE MEANING???

if the one that hears this, tells me it is now afraid of me, AND I DENY THIS ONE'S REALITY, THEN I AM "DELUSIONED", AND THINK ALL ARE JUST AS MYSELF", and DEEM ALL SHOULD KNOW this was a "figure of speech"???

so seeing and being "sensitive" to another, THEN ALLOW THE ENERGY OF BOWING AND SAYING HOW THIS WAS "NOT MY ENTENTION", AND I CAN SOLVE THE "ISSUE" I CREATED???

how are any of these things written in text any different???

no book was given for the CORRECT actions of modern man, AS PRIMITIVE MAN WAS JUST THAT, primitive in mind, or just used to killing to fix anything that harmed self???

it is hard for modern man to know and see that primitive man did not have the ENVIRONMENT WE HAVE, WHERE THE MAJORITY MAKE IT EASILY KNOWN "MURDER" IS NOT A ACCEPTABLE ANSWER???

what more is a god, than one with GREATER AWARENESS, SEEING that it NEEDS NOT TO USE SUCH TACTIC'S TO DEMAND JUSTICE???

this was not always the case, as just as a "human child", when it is small knows not how to DRIVE THE FAMILY CAR, is just the same as primitive man in ages past, as these DID NOT KNOW HOW TO DRIVE THE CAR???

but each here in the PRESENT EVNVIRONMENT, DOES NOT SEE IT IS A "PRODUCT" OF IT'S TOTAL COLLECTIVE ENVIRONMENT???

a "product" of all it has SEEN AND HEARD SINCE BIRTH???

in days past, THESE DID NOT HAVE THIS LUXURY???

if when man was first "created", it was only given a "list" of "what is more good", it would not be "a part of self", but only "outside words" saying what was good, AND NOT HAVING ANY TRUE MEANING ENOUGH TO GUIDE SELF WHEN SELF "IS" TREATED UNFAIRLY???

so in days past, THE EARTH BEING THE WOMB OF ALL, CREATING "MORE AWARENESS EACH AGE", FOR IN THE BEGINNING HUMANS WERE THE "BABY" MAN CREATURE'S, THEN "CHILD MAN CREATURES", THEN "YOUTH" MAN CREATURES, THEN "TEENAGE" MAN CREATURES, THEN "20 SOMETHING" CREATURES, THEN "30 SOMETHING" CREATURES, THEN SO ON AND SO ON, UNTIL "ALL TOTAL CIVILIZATIONS OF ALL PAST PEOPLES, PAST THRU THE WOMB, AND NO LONGER "NEEDED" TO BE "TOLD" WHAT IS MORE GOOD, JUST "KNEW AND FELT IT"???

if one see TOTAL COLLECTIVE HUMAN CIVILIZATION as a child growing up, then these things that confound and perplex suddenly make entire sense and are seen as a WISE WAY TO MAKE MAN INTO GODS, WHICH IS ONLY CALLED AS "MORE AWARENESS AND WISDOM"???

no different than if one went to a remote place in a third world country, AND SHOWED HOW PEACE AND PROBLEM SOLVING WAS BETTER THAN KILLING???

would all just THROW DOWN THEIR SWORDS???

of course not, AS THE WAYS OF HABIT AND CULTURE ARE PART OF THE FABRIC OF THE BEING, but these with TEACHING AND WISDOM, ARE SOON LEFT BEHIND???

AS MAN DID THESE THINGS IN THE BEGINNING FROM "FEAR" OF BEING KILLED IT SELF???

TO PRESERVE SELF FROM ENEMIES???

easy for one sitting on a couch in a peaceful place with no one banging down the door and carrying off it's children and loved one's, to say other's in past days were "just ignorant dummies"???

if one marches into a country, and SAY KILLING IS WRONG, YOU ARE BAD PEOPLE, WE ARE SMARTER AND BETTER, THEN OF COURSE, these people will become as rebellious the more???

BUT "THE PROFESSED DO GOODER IS PERPETUATING THE PROBLEM THE MORE, BY "FIRST" BEING DELUSIONED ITSELF IS BETTER, NOT SEEING "HOW IT KNEW BETTER TO BEGIN WITH"???

self did not DETERMINE where self was born, or which COUNTRY, OR PRESENT PLACE IT IS, which totally detertmine PRESENT KNOWING???

indeed, NOTHING DOES EVIL UNLESS IT KNOWS NOT MORE???

if anything else is thought, then the "one professing to wish for love and unity, IS ONLY BUT LOOKING IN DISGUST AT WHAT IT THINK IS "LESS THAN ITSELF", and so SHOW IT HAS NO LOVE, BUT ONLY SELF VANITY AND PRIDE???

NO BOOK PROMOTES THIS, AS THE "HEART" OF THE HUMAN IS LIKE THIS, AND SO THEN FIND MANY THINGS OF "HATE" IN ALL THINGS IT READ OR HEAR???