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Sat 04/25/09 06:09 PM
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How is anything I stated in disagreement with that?
 Charles Robert Darwin was a naturalist who proposed that all living creatures are related by common ancestors.  Charles Darwin was born in England in 1809 and died in 1882.  Darwin was a member of the Royal Geographical SocietyHis Alma Mater was the Univerity of Edinburgh and the University of Cambridge.  His academic advisors were Adam Sedgwick and John Stevens Henslow.  His best known works were the "Voyage of the Beagle","On The Origin Of Species" and his theory of Natural Selection.  He won several major awards in his lifetime.The Royal Medal in 1853,the Wallaston Medal in 1859,and the Copley Medal in 1864.  One of his major influences was Charles Lyell, and he in turned heavily influenced Thomas Henry Huxley and George John Romanes.  He was a member of the Church of England although his family had a Unitarian background,and he is known to have embraced Agnosticism after 1851
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Sat 04/25/09 06:10 PM
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CHARLES DARWINS THEORY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ATHEISM OR CHRISTIANITY
IT IS JUST A WORK OF SCIENCE
AND NOTHING ELSE
HE DID NOT SAY **** ABOUT GOD
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Sat 04/25/09 06:10 PM
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CHARLES DARWINS THEORY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ATHEISM OR CHRISTIANITY
IT IS JUST A WORK OF SCIENCE
AND NOTHING ELSE
I never said differently? I was disagreeing with Sharpshooter's proposal that he needed to repent or that he converted on his deathbed...
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Sat 04/25/09 06:12 PM
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Well we do actually....
okay, I don't, how's that, another good save
Yep...You have to remember that back then just about everyone was Christian. It was a bad idea to profess atheism due to the heavy discrimination you would have faced. What Charles Darwin's research had effectively opened the door to is a person's ability to question their own beliefs if the origin of life in fact was examinable in terms of the natural world that surrounds us.
she meant he had big balls mirror
 no I meant that everything she said is wrong.  I have explained this 11 times now  I will do it again.  I dont give a **** about Charles Darwin.  Only the facts  THESE ARE THE FACTS  EVERYONE PLEASE READ
 Charles Robert Darwin was a naturalist who proposed that all living creatures are related by common ancestors.  Charles Darwin was born in England in 1809 and died in 1882.  Darwin was a member of the Royal Geographical SocietyHis Alma Mater was the Univerity of Edinburgh and the University of Cambridge.  His academic advisors were Adam Sedgwick and John Stevens Henslow.  His best known works were the "Voyage of the Beagle","On The Origin Of Species" and his theory of Natural Selection.He won several major awards in his lifetime.  The Royal Medal in 1853,the Wallaston Medal in 1859,and the Copley Medal in 1864.  One of his major influences was Charles Lyell, and he in turned heavily influenced Thomas Henry Huxley and George John Romanes.  He was a member of the Church of England although his family had a Unitarian background,and he is known to have embraced Agnosticism after 1851
and I would add...
It is not known except to Mr Darwin and His Creator what his dying thoughts were
He was either Agnostic to the end or he changed his mind
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Sat 04/25/09 06:14 PM
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There was no indication that he ever repented or embraced Christianity. All known accounts actually dispel this rumor.
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Sat 04/25/09 06:19 PM
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Well we do actually....
okay, I don't, how's that, another good save
Yep...You have to remember that back then just about everyone was Christian. It was a bad idea to profess atheism due to the heavy discrimination you would have faced. What Charles Darwin's research had effectively opened the door to is a person's ability to question their own beliefs if the origin of life in fact was examinable in terms of the natural world that surrounds us.
she meant he had big balls mirror
 no I meant that everything she said is wrong.  I have explained this 11 times now  I will do it again.  I dont give a **** about Charles Darwin.  Only the facts  THESE ARE THE FACTS  EVERYONE PLEASE READ
 Charles Robert Darwin was a naturalist who proposed that all living creatures are related by common ancestors.  Charles Darwin was born in England in 1809 and died in 1882.  Darwin was a member of the Royal Geographical SocietyHis Alma Mater was the Univerity of Edinburgh and the University of Cambridge.  His academic advisors were Adam Sedgwick and John Stevens Henslow.  His best known works were the "Voyage of the Beagle","On The Origin Of Species" and his theory of Natural Selection.He won several major awards in his lifetime.  The Royal Medal in 1853,the Wallaston Medal in 1859,and the Copley Medal in 1864.  One of his major influences was Charles Lyell, and he in turned heavily influenced Thomas Henry Huxley and George John Romanes.  He was a member of the Church of England although his family had a Unitarian background,and he is known to have embraced Agnosticism after 1851
and I would add...
It is not known except to Mr Darwin and His Creator what his dying thoughts were
He was either Agnostic to the end or he changed his mind
 HE PROBABLY BELIEVED IN GOD.  AND WHETHER HE DID OR NOT IT DOES NOT MATTER.  HIS THEORY WAS PURE SCIENCE.  NO PERSONAL VIEWS.  I HAVE READ HIS BOOKS.  NOTHING GOOD OR BAD ABOUT GOD IN THEM.  NO PERSONAL STATEMENTS JUST BORING DRY SCIENCE.  THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING.  IT DONT MATTER WHAT WAS IN HIS MIND WHEN HE DIED
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Sat 04/25/09 06:20 PM
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There was no indication that he ever repented or embraced Christianity. All known accounts actually dispel this rumor.
 I never said he did.  I never said he didnt.  I am saying that it is irrelevant.
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Sat 04/25/09 06:21 PM
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Gosh Mirror Mirror, calm down. Im on your side. Peace.
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Sat 04/25/09 06:22 PM
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There was no indication that he ever repented or embraced Christianity. All known accounts actually dispel this rumor.
 I never said he did.  I never said he didnt.  I am saying that it is irrelevant.
I was going back and forth with Sharpshooter though, not you.
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Sat 04/25/09 06:22 PM
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 Mirror is so passionate
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Sat 04/25/09 06:23 PM
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There was no indication that he ever repented or embraced Christianity. All known accounts actually dispel this rumor.
 Didn't you read what I said?  He was a member of the Church of England most of his life.  He was an Agnostic.  He said publicly that he believed in something.  But it is irrelevant when it comes to the theory of natural selection and evolution because his books were of science.  ORGANIZED ACCORDING TO THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD.
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Sat 04/25/09 06:24 PM
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 Mirror is so passionate
He is! He's a feisty guy!
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Sat 04/25/09 06:25 PM
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There was no indication that he ever repented or embraced Christianity. All known accounts actually dispel this rumor.
 Didn't you read what I said?  He was a member of the Church of England most of his life.  He was an Agnostic.  He said publicly that he believed in something.  But it is irrelevant when it comes to the theory of natural selection and evolution because his books were of science.  ORGANIZED ACCORDING TO THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD.
And an Agnostic is? It isnt a Christian now is it? As I stated earlier, for a person during this time period to suddenly denounce Christianity would have been asking for a boatload of trouble. He probably would have been at odds with the very people who allowed him the ability to publish his research.
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Sat 04/25/09 06:26 PM
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Gosh Mirror Mirror, calm down. Im on your side. Peace.
 HERE ARE THE FACTS ABOUT DARWIN.  THIS IS NOT MY OPINION.  JUST THE HISTORICAL FACTS.
 Darwin was a member of the Church of England although his family had a Unitarian background,and he is known to have embraced Agnosticism after 1851
 His personal beliefs did not have a role in his scientific theories.  He used the scientific method.  There is no room for personal views in the scientific method.
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Sat 04/25/09 06:27 PM
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There was no indication that he ever repented or embraced Christianity. All known accounts actually dispel this rumor.
 Didn't you read what I said?  He was a member of the Church of England most of his life.  He was an Agnostic.  He said publicly that he believed in something.  But it is irrelevant when it comes to the theory of natural selection and evolution because his books were of science.  ORGANIZED ACCORDING TO THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD.
And an Agnostic is?
 It's irrelevant
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Sat 04/25/09 06:28 PM
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Gosh Mirror Mirror, calm down. Im on your side. Peace.
 HERE ARE THE FACTS ABOUT DARWIN.  THIS IS NOT MY OPINION.  JUST THE HISTORICAL FACTS.
 Darwin was a member of the Church of England although his family had a Unitarian background,and he is known to have embraced Agnosticism after 1851
 His personal beliefs did not have a role in his scientific theories.  He used the scientific method.  There is no room for personal views in the scientific method.
And where did I ever disagree with this?
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Sat 04/25/09 06:33 PM
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Gosh Mirror Mirror, calm down. Im on your side. Peace.
 HERE ARE THE FACTS ABOUT DARWIN.  THIS IS NOT MY OPINION.  JUST THE HISTORICAL FACTS.
 Darwin was a member of the Church of England although his family had a Unitarian background,and he is known to have embraced Agnosticism after 1851
 His personal beliefs did not have a role in his scientific theories.  He used the scientific method.  There is no room for personal views in the scientific method.
And where did I ever disagree with this?
 He was not an enemy of Christianity nor was he an atheist icon.  He was just a man of science.  He never denounced nor repented anything in regards to his works of science.
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Sat 04/25/09 06:36 PM
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I dont even think they had a name for Atheism (yet) Mirror Mirror. You are reading things in that I never said. These are the only points I made:
A. Charles Darwin never "repented" on his death bed.
B. Charles Darwin never converted on his death bed.
Thats all I ever said Mirror.
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Sat 04/25/09 06:38 PM
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What Is an agnostic?
An agnostic thinks it impossible to know the truth in matters such as God and the future life with which Christianity and other religions are concerned. Or, if not impossible, at least impossible at the present time.
Are agnostics atheists?
No. An atheist, like a Christian, holds that we can know whether or not there is a God. The Christian holds that we can know there is a God; the atheist, that we can know there is not. The Agnostic suspends judgment, saying that there are not sufficient grounds either for affirmation or for denial.
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Sat 04/25/09 06:41 PM
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What Is an agnostic?
An agnostic thinks it impossible to know the truth in matters such as God and the future life with which Christianity and other religions are concerned. Or, if not impossible, at least impossible at the present time.
Are agnostics atheists?
No. An atheist, like a Christian, holds that we can know whether or not there is a God. The Christian holds that we can know there is a God; the atheist, that we can know there is not. The Agnostic suspends judgment, saying that there are not sufficient grounds either for affirmation or for denial.
So then Charles Darwin was not a Christian if he was Agnostic. Am I missing something? When did I say he was a staunch Atheist? In that time period Im not even certain if they had the label "Atheist" yet.
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