Atheism is to deny the existence of any type of God or gods. Perhaps, it also denies the existence of souls and a spiritual collective consciousness as well?

Anyhow, what makes the atheist stance much more logical than belief in a religion?

Is the truly logical stance agnosticism? After all, how does one *know* that there is no creator or powerful being?

because it is the religious that set the standards as to what a God is and once logic is applies to those standards then it's simple deduction that God doesn't exist or could never prove his own existence

it's the religious that have placed God on such a high pedestal that they themselves have place him into non-existence exile ...

for example

one of those standards that the religious have set for God is that God is supposedly unseen and incomprehensible to the human senses ...

if God is truely unseen and incomprehensible to the human sense then how was it possible for anyone that was human to detect him ...which means the person that made the claim was either lying having an hallucination or just delusional

I'm in total agreement with you.

Everyone is ultimatley an agnostic no matter what they think they believe.



Of course, I agree with Funches on the definitions part of it.

As far as I'm concerned the Biblical picture of God can't possibly exist because that picture contradicts it's own proclaimation.

God can't be simlultansously all-wise and a bumbling idiot. Someone needs to make up their mind on that one.

I think a lot of people who claim to be atheists actually mean that they are convinced that all mythological pictures of God are demonstratably false.

It all comes down to how we define "God".

Belief that god does not exist. Unlike the agnostic, who merely criticizes traditional arguments for the existence of a deity, the atheist must offer evidence (such as the problem of evil) that there is no god or propose a strong principle for denying what is not known to be true.


http://www.philosophypages.com/dy/a9.htm#athe

Like a number of us have brought up(though it's not like you actually read any other posts...)

At this point in time, You cannot prove a god exists, and Science cannot prove 100% that a god doesn't exist. But Science has come up with more than enough evidence that puts the chances at a deity existing being very, very unlikely.

atheist is a term used by believer to bring those that are not into the make believe world of God into their fantasy

not everyone is agnostic ..some people regard God as being little more than a belief in Santa Claus and to them he simply doesn't exist as anything more than just an acceptable delusion of society

it is the believers in God that are all agnostic ..ask any one of them to describe God without sounding delusional and none of them can

if God was to be on America's Most Wanted ...no believer could give a description of him ..all they would say is he is love, he is nice ..he created the universe ....pretty hard to find someone fitting that description ..why? ...because it's delusional

My concept of God is the same as Aristotle's concept of God.

Today's answer comes to us from a parable in the Book of Futurama:




-Kerry O.

"Nubby" ..which means you agree with Aristotle that God is only a concept

I agree with His concept.

same thing ..you are describing God to be a concept of Aristotle's that you agree with ..

Can we find something else to argue about?


Please?

you mean something other than religion? ...

ok...who's going to win the superbowl

When we encounter an idea, does that idea get automatic approval from us? Is it automatically true, and then we must work to disprove it in our own minds? What is the default stance on belief?

So If you find a piece of paper on the ground that says men where once ants, and a witch cast a spell of a colony of ants, and transformed them into people, and this is how all people came to be, would you have to have faith to not believe this to be true?

I mean there is nothing to say that this isn't true.

Its this kind of logic that requires the theist to have faith against fiction lol.

It is about as logical as a turd muffin.

Atheists are always being told that to be an atheist you must have a positive belief there is no god.

What if we just dont buy it? That does not make us agnostic, agnostic is the belief that we cannot know. There is a distinction huh?

I doubt anyone that believes in god has thought to long or hard on this one . . .

But Billy its impossible to prove that God does not exist. No one can prove a aboslute negative. To say something doesnt exist anywhere requires infinite knowledge. Its like saying, there are no pink elephants anywhere in the universe and I know this to be true.

"Most people—including, it has to be said, many atheists themselves!—have the rather simple idea that atheism is about fact, whereas Christianity is about faith. Their ideas are factual; those of Christians are unproven. But it’s not like that. Let me explain by asking a question: can I prove with certainty that there is a God? The short answer is “no.” If you have time to study the history of the philosophical arguments for the existence of God, you’ll know that they are suggestive, but not conclusive. It’s pretty much the universal consensus within philosophy that rational argument does not settle the question of God’s existence, one way or the other. The atheist philosopher Kai Nielsen makes this point clearly when he writes: “To show that an argument is invalid or unsound is not to show that the conclusion of the argument is false . . . All the proofs of God’s existence may fail, but it still may be the case that God exists.” Argument is not going to settle this question, one way or the other. And that means that the outcome is uncertain for the atheist."

We do not have to talk about theism to put beliefs into perspective. Nubby it appears you are ignoring the idea of what a belief is, and how a person comes to believe something.

What is a belief Nubby?

What does it take to convince you that there are flying pink elephants?

I really respect you Billy, but I dont think your being fare.

"Atheists often tell Christians that their faith is infantile. It’s just fine for the minds of impressionable young children, but laughable in the case of adults. We’ve grown up now, and need to move on. Why should we believe things that can’t be scientifically proved? Faith in God, many atheists argue, is just like believing in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. When you grow up, you grow out of it. And if you don’t, then you are either mentally retarded or intellectually dishonest.


But this is just rhetoric—the attempt to discredit a belief by heaping ridicule upon in. In fact, it is this argument itself that is childish. If this simplistic argument has any plausibility, it requires a real analogy between God and Santa Claus to exist—which it clearly does not. There is no serious evidence that people regard God, Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy as belonging to the same category. I stopped believing in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy when I was about six years old. After being an atheist for some years, I discovered God when I was eighteen, and have never regarded this as some kind of infantile regression. As I noticed while researching my book The Twilight of Atheism, a large number of people come to believe in God in later life—when they are “grown up.” I have yet to meet anyone who came to believe in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy late in life! So let’s leave this sort of nonsense behind, and look at a more serious argument, often advanced by atheists."

I cant prove to you that pink elephants dont exist anywhere in the universe.

I am simply going by the definition of atheism.

So do you believe that they do? If so why? If not why?