Fakhani Massacre :
17/7/1981 (Lebanon):A horrible massacre took place when Israeli warplanes raided a crowded residential area using the most developed weapons killing and wounding many citizens. 150 perosn were killed, 600 were wounded.

Beirut Massacre :
17/7/1981 (Lebanon)Israeli warplanes staged several raids on many parts of Beirut, Ouzai, Ramlet Al baida, fakhani, chatila and the area of the Arab University, killing many citizens. 150 person were killed, 600 were wounded

The Massacre at the Sabra and Shatila Camps:
A number of events led to the decision of an extremist terrorist group of the Lebanese kata'ib forces and forces belonging to the Zionist Army to carry out massacres against the Palestinians. From the beginning of the Zionist invasion of Lebanon, the Zionists and their agents were working toward being able to extirpate the Palestinian presence in Lebanon. This may be seen from a number of massacres of which the world heard only little, carried out by Israeli forces and militias under their command in the Palestinian camps in south Lebanon (al-Rushaidiya, 'Ayn al-Hilu, al-Miya Miya, and others).32 This massacre was thus the outcome of a long mathematical calculation. It was carried out by groups of
Lebanese forces under the leadership of Ilyas Haqiba, head of the kata'ib intelligence apparatus and with the approval of the Zionist Minister of Defense, Ariel Sharon and the Commander of the Northern District, General Amir Dawri. High-level Israeli officers had been planning for some time to enable the Lebanese forces to go into the Palestinian camps once West Beirut had been surrounded.33
Two days before the massacre began - on the evening of September 14 - planning and coordination meetings were held between terrorist Sharon and his companion, Eitan. Plans were laid to have the kata'ib forces storm the camps, and at dawn, September 15, Israel stormed West Beirut and cordoned off the camps. A high-level meeting was held on Thursday morning, September 16, 1982 in which Israel was represented by General Amir Dawri, Supreme Commander of the Northern Forces.
The job of carrying out the operation was assigned to Eli Haqiba, a major security official in the Lebanese forces. The meeting was also attended by Fadi Afram, Commander of the Lebanese Forces.34
The process of storming the camps began before sunset on Thursday, September 16,35 and continued for approximately 36 hours.
The Israeli Army surrounded the camps, providing the murderers with all the support, aid and facilities necessary for them to carry out their appalling crime. They supplied them with bulldozers and with the necessary pictures and maps. In addition, they set off incandescent bombs in the air in order to turn night into day so that none of the Palestinians would be able to escape death's grip. And those who did flee - women, children and the elderly - were brought back inside the camps by Israeli soldiers to face their destiny.36 At noon on Friday, the second day of the terrorist massacre, and with the approval of the Israeli Army, the kata'ib forces began receiving more ammunition, while the forces which had been in the camps were replaced by other, "fresh" forces.37 On Saturday morning, September 18, 1982, the massacre had reached its peak, and thousands of Sabra and Shatila camp residents had been annihilated.
Information about the massacre began to leak out after a number of children and women fled to the Gaza Hospital in the Shatila camp, where they told doctors what was happening. News of the massacre also began to reach some foreign journalists on Friday morning, September 17.38
One of the journalists who went into the camps after the massacre reports what he saw, saying, "The corpses of the Palestinians had been thrown among the rubble that remained of the Shatila camp. It was impossible to know exactly how many victims there were, but there had to be more than 1,000 dead. Some of the men who had been executed had been lined up in front of a wall, and bulldozers had been
used in an attempt to bury the bodies and cover up the aftermath of the massacre.
But the hands and feet of the victims protruded from the debris."
Hasan Salama (57 years old), whose 80-year-old brother was killed in the massacre, says, "They came from the mountains in thirty huge trucks. At first they started killing people with knives so that they wouldn't make any noise. Then on Friday there were snipers in the Shatila camp killing anybody who crossed the street. On Friday afternoon, armed men began going into the houses and firing on men, women and children. Then they started blowing up the houses and turning them into piles of
rubble."40
Author Amnoun Kabliyouk [p. 10] writes in his book about the tragedy of a young Palestinian girl who, like the rest of the children in the camp, faced this horrific massacre. Thirteen years old, she was the only survivor out of her entire family (her father, her mother, her grandfather and all her brothers and sisters were killed). She related to a Lebanese officer, saying, "We stayed in the shelter until really late on Thursday night, but then I decided to leave with my girl friend because we couldn't breathe anymore. Then all of a sudden we saw people raising white flags and handkerchiefs and coming toward the kata'ib saying, 'We're for peace and harmony.'
And they killed them right then and there. The women were screaming, moaning and begging [for mercy]. As for me, I ran back to our house and got into the bathtub. I saw them leading our neighbors away and shooting them. I tried to stand up at the window to look outside, but one of the kata'ib fighters saw me and shot at me. So I went back to the bathtub and stayed there for five hours. When I came out, they grabbed me and threw me down with everybody else. One of them asked me if I was Palestinian, and I said yes. My nine-month-old nephew was beside me, and he was crying and screaming so much that one of the men got angry, so he shot him. I burst into tears and told him that this baby had been all the family I had left. That made him all the more angry, and he took the baby and tore him in two."41
The massacre continued until noon on Saturday, September 18, leaving between 3,000 and 3,500 Palestinian and Lebanese civilians dead, most of them women, children and elderly people.42

An article titled "Terror" in He Khazit (The Front, a Lehi underground newspaper) argued as follows:

Neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat. We are very far from having any moral qualms as far as our national war goes. We have before us the command of the Torah, whose morality surpasses that of any other body of laws in the world: "Ye shall blot them out to the last man." But first and foremost, terrorism is for us a part of the political battle being conducted under the present circumstances, and it has a great part to play: speaking in a clear voice to the whole world, as well as to our wretched brethren outside this land, it proclaims our war against the occupier. We are particularly far from this sort of hesitation in regard to an enemy whose moral perversion is admitted by all.



Quit supporting these terrorists!

History teaches that wars begin when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.
Ronald Reagan, Address to the Nation, Jan 16, 1984


Stop the money and arms aid and force these Zionists and the Islamic fundamentalists who seem to be running the show over there to chart their own course.

For anyone to claim that Israel would be wiped off the map, I refer you to the term "Mutually Assured Destruction". The man I quoted above would have been extremely familiar with the term.

Right or wrong, either side. Israel would not exist today had not the US Govt decided they needed a strategic piece of Geography in that part of the world.
Since that time, Israel has been nothing more than a Puppet State for the USofA.
Thats the real motivation behind our support of the Israelites for the last 60 years.

Most of the time this is true war.
But the Israeli's started before they were a nation. They began when they were mere guests in Palestine. Guests forced upon the Palestinians (Arabs) by Christian Nations.

You cannot just turn away or Israel, with their violent history, will go whole-hog and begin a full scale genocide and expulsion of the Palestinians from Palestine.
Then without the US getting involved again, the Arab Nations will.
We must use our leverage and the Israeli dependency on us to force them to back up to the "67" borders.
Then help the Palestinians rebuild a new Nation. This Nation will need plenty of protection to survive because the Israeli do not intend to share what they perceive as their birth-right. Endowed on them by God!
The protection I speak of is not miliary protection. It is using our leverage and even handed support of Palestine.

Gaza victims describe human shield use

Members of a Gaza family whose farm was turned into a "fortress"
by Hamas fighters have reported that they were helpless to
stop Hamas from using them as human shields.

They told the official Palestinian Authority daily newspaper
that for years Hamas had used their property and homes as
military installations from which the group would launch rockets
into Israel, dig tunnels and store arms. According to the
victims, those who tried to object were shot in the legs
by Hamas operatives.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1233050211857&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

and...

The place was not Gaza in 2009, but Jenin in 2002. The
great Jenin massacre turned out to be another in a long
series of false atrocity stories manufactured by the
Palestinians and credulously repeated by the
international press (which likes nothing so much
as the image of vicious Israelis). Cartoonists
across Europe delighted in drawing Israelis in
Nazi uniforms. Le Monde ran a cartoon comparing
the destruction of Jenin with the Nazi destruction
of the Warsaw Ghetto.

In fact, in August 2002, the United Nations and Human
Rights Watch (neither very friendly to Israel) put
the final fatality figures at 26 Palestinian fighters,
26 civilians, and 23 Israeli soldiers. The Israeli
casualty figures were comparatively high because the
Israel Defense Forces (IDF) decided to fight
street-by-street with soldiers on foot instead of
using air power or tanks—precisely to minimize
civilian casualties. The houses in Jenin were
booby-trapped. The terrorists surrounded themselves
with civilians.

Now we are told that Gaza suffered 1,300 killed and
up to 4,000 wounded. These numbers come exclusively
from Hamas sources and have not been independently
verified. In fact, the numbers have been challenged
by the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, which
put the number of dead between 500 and 600, the
majority of whom were young men. Others suggest that
as many as 1,000 may have been killed, the majority
Hamas fighters.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2FkMGRiODAxN2QwMmNhZTBiYjRhM2ViYjcyNTg3OWI=#more

Thank you for helping me realize that I wasn't really looking at both sides of the issue.

guess i,m truly the only one. who looks at israel as nothing more then common murders. no i believe in god. nothing to do with that. not saying either side is right. but to call that a war is a joke. the israel army bombs kids and women. to me that's murder,

You do not make the distinction between 1) terrorists like Hamas who are snipers with hostages trying to deliberately kill as many women and children as they can by aiming at them

and 2) the Israeli soldiers who kill the snipers when Hamas refuses to stop shooting at civilians after repeated warnings and armed resistance at capture.

Hamas AIMS at women and children. It is their INTENT to kill as many of them (without regard for the lives of their hostages) as possible.

Israel's obligation is to stop the targeting of her civilians. If there are no rocket attacks then there is no Israeli effort to eliminate them. If there were no hostages then there would be no civilian Gazan casualties either. Israel fought until the rocket attacks stopped then immediately pulled back. If Hamas agrees to stop firing and lay down their arms and does not try to re-arm then there will be long term peace and the rebuilding of Gaza.