Topic: Sundown Towns
Winx's photo
Thu 01/22/09 01:02 PM

This is a good read. It comes from the book written by the sociologist, James W. Loewen. It explains Sundown Towns and the history.

http://www.uvm.edu/~jloewen/content/sundown-introduction.pdf




buttons's photo
Thu 01/22/09 01:12 PM
I think there are quite a few citys in oregon that made the list ..doesnt surprise me at all after the shock i had moving here when i was 16! for one oregon is a pretty big state, 2> oregon has only begun to populate really the last 10 yrs,3. oregon has always been one of the last states for anything<way beinghind times> seems though the last 10 yrs we are catch up faster though> not only ways of living but fads too.. i remember coming here as a young teen and my cousins were dressed 2 yrs behind seattle lol they were so outta style!

Winx's photo
Thu 01/22/09 06:02 PM

I think there are quite a few citys in oregon that made the list ..doesnt surprise me at all after the shock i had moving here when i was 16! for one oregon is a pretty big state, 2> oregon has only begun to populate really the last 10 yrs,3. oregon has always been one of the last states for anything<way beinghind times> seems though the last 10 yrs we are catch up faster though> not only ways of living but fads too.. i remember coming here as a young teen and my cousins were dressed 2 yrs behind seattle lol they were so outta style!



It sounds like you have fond memories of Oregon.:smile:

Redshirt's photo
Thu 01/22/09 06:42 PM
In the mid 60's Herman, Mo contacted the St. Louis Cardinals for a guest speaker at a civic function. They wanted someone other than Ken Boyer (Card's 3rd baseman). Among the names they were sent was Curt Flood their All Star center fielder. The organization sent back a note saying basically "thanks, but the talk was going to be after dark." What the St. Louis Cardinals did not realize was there was a local ordnance which did not allow for African Americans to be in town after dark.

Every year I have one of my colleagues speak to my class about racism. He tells stories about how when he was growing up his family would drive non-stop between Phoenix and Georgia for vacation. How come? Because most motels would not allow them to spend the night.

Like it or not racism exist in this country.

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Thu 01/22/09 07:51 PM



In the 60's and 70's I lived In Seattle Wa. and a nearby suburb Federal Way..... there were all colors of people in the schools i went to ...


I found this, Buttons. There are other sources that say that Seattle was one. I didn't know that my city was one either.


http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/01/eliminationism-in-america-vii.html

This is the list for WA:

Possible Sundown Towns in WA

Bellingham
Brewster
Brewster
Chehalis
Chelan
Colville
Kennewick
Montesano
Olympia
Richland
Seattle
Shelton
Tacoma
Vancouver
Walla Walla









I lived in Walla Walla for 30 yrs. up until July 2008, this is the first time I heard the term Sundown Towns.

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Thu 01/22/09 08:46 PM
Sad.


My town wasn't listed, but some towns/cities were for MI.

Winx's photo
Thu 01/22/09 09:27 PM

In the mid 60's Herman, Mo contacted the St. Louis Cardinals for a guest speaker at a civic function. They wanted someone other than Ken Boyer (Card's 3rd baseman). Among the names they were sent was Curt Flood their All Star center fielder. The organization sent back a note saying basically "thanks, but the talk was going to be after dark." What the St. Louis Cardinals did not realize was there was a local ordnance which did not allow for African Americans to be in town after dark.

Every year I have one of my colleagues speak to my class about racism. He tells stories about how when he was growing up his family would drive non-stop between Phoenix and Georgia for vacation. How come? Because most motels would not allow them to spend the night.

Like it or not racism exist in this country.


I've been to Herman. They did that to our Cardinals.:cry:

scoundrel's photo
Thu 01/22/09 09:29 PM
There still are sundown towns

but the happy inhabitants are going to draw attention to that fact.
:wink:

Winx's photo
Fri 01/23/09 05:17 AM

There still are sundown towns

but the happy inhabitants are going to draw attention to that fact.
:wink:


Do you see them in Alaska?

Redshirt's photo
Fri 01/23/09 10:41 AM


In the mid 60's Herman, Mo contacted the St. Louis Cardinals for a guest speaker at a civic function. They wanted someone other than Ken Boyer (Card's 3rd baseman). Among the names they were sent was Curt Flood their All Star center fielder. The organization sent back a note saying basically "thanks, but the talk was going to be after dark." What the St. Louis Cardinals did not realize was there was a local ordnance which did not allow for African Americans to be in town after dark.

Every year I have one of my colleagues speak to my class about racism. He tells stories about how when he was growing up his family would drive non-stop between Phoenix and Georgia for vacation. How come? Because most motels would not allow them to spend the night.

Like it or not racism exist in this country.


Not to the team just one player.

I've been to Herman. They did that to our Cardinals.:cry:

Winx's photo
Fri 01/23/09 04:41 PM



In the mid 60's Herman, Mo contacted the St. Louis Cardinals for a guest speaker at a civic function. They wanted someone other than Ken Boyer (Card's 3rd baseman). Among the names they were sent was Curt Flood their All Star center fielder. The organization sent back a note saying basically "thanks, but the talk was going to be after dark." What the St. Louis Cardinals did not realize was there was a local ordnance which did not allow for African Americans to be in town after dark.

Every year I have one of my colleagues speak to my class about racism. He tells stories about how when he was growing up his family would drive non-stop between Phoenix and Georgia for vacation. How come? Because most motels would not allow them to spend the night.

Like it or not racism exist in this country.


Not to the team just one player.

I've been to Herman. They did that to our Cardinals.:cry:



I thought that's what you meant. It still was done to our Cardinals, IMO. It is sooo disgustingly wrong.

buttons's photo
Fri 01/23/09 04:44 PM


I think there are quite a few citys in oregon that made the list ..doesnt surprise me at all after the shock i had moving here when i was 16! for one oregon is a pretty big state, 2> oregon has only begun to populate really the last 10 yrs,3. oregon has always been one of the last states for anything<way beinghind times> seems though the last 10 yrs we are catch up faster though> not only ways of living but fads too.. i remember coming here as a young teen and my cousins were dressed 2 yrs behind seattle lol they were so outta style!



It sounds like you have fond memories of Oregon.:smile:
well yes i do its a beautiful place i live... but the gray can go away lol! and the sundown towns!laugh I do miss the blue skys in seattle though... even though it rained a lot there too...

Winx's photo
Fri 01/23/09 09:25 PM



I think there are quite a few citys in oregon that made the list ..doesnt surprise me at all after the shock i had moving here when i was 16! for one oregon is a pretty big state, 2> oregon has only begun to populate really the last 10 yrs,3. oregon has always been one of the last states for anything<way beinghind times> seems though the last 10 yrs we are catch up faster though> not only ways of living but fads too.. i remember coming here as a young teen and my cousins were dressed 2 yrs behind seattle lol they were so outta style!



It sounds like you have fond memories of Oregon.:smile:
well yes i do its a beautiful place i live... but the gray can go away lol! and the sundown towns!laugh I do miss the blue skys in seattle though... even though it rained a lot there too...


Ahh..but you didn't know that they were Sundown Towns when you were a child. It does sound like a pretty place.

Winx's photo
Fri 01/23/09 10:35 PM



however winx... what is on the list for oregon?





Here are a few more that didn't make the list yet as to living in those towns I know the law did exist or it was enforced either way
Valsetz.
Detroit Lake
Idana
These were timber towns.

I remember Valsetz when the first mexican moved in we had never had anyone but white and 1 native american family live there. Not counting the men that lived in the bunkhouses but they never associated with the town folk.
I also remember a town in OK that had that law. I guess that is where I first heard of it. I was shocked.. I don't think we are white people can truely understand how appalling others were treated. I now have the united nations in my family so to speak and when I hear the elders talk I am ashamed of the actions of the past.


How did you know that the law existed? Were there signs?

scoundrel's photo
Fri 01/23/09 11:13 PM


There still are sundown towns

but the happy inhabitants are going to draw attention to that fact.
:wink:


Do you see them in Alaska?


Nope.


Winx's photo
Fri 01/23/09 11:26 PM



There still are sundown towns

but the happy inhabitants are going to draw attention to that fact.
:wink:


Do you see them in Alaska?


Nope.




Not in Alaska but on the mainland. Interesting.

scoundrel's photo
Sat 01/24/09 12:00 AM




There still are sundown towns

but the happy inhabitants are going to draw attention to that fact.
:wink:


Do you see them in Alaska?


Nope.




Not in Alaska but on the mainland. Interesting.


I would suggest a bit of deductive logic.
Alaska is a new State, as it was just a territory when I was born. I was born and raised in Oregon. But even there, as an Oregonian, I know better than to get far off the regular roads in rural areas, or to go traipsing off across "public lands" in a region where I haven't got contacts.

People live in many areas, and not always in the citified versions of housing. Their locale is their territory, and respect of their domain is expected. Tribes and other gatherings of people are living without having anyone's permission to be where they are. They are free.
This was true before the American government had the idea to declare itself as ruler over all the land, and it is still true.
In Alaska, the regional domains or territories of differing tribes are not lines on a assessor's map. Ignorance of whatever family/tribe/people is in charge of an area is no excuse.
That same logic is true across much of America. The people of any region do not give a hoot about what the media or the government portrays as being "right." Possession is 90% of the law of rights. People are very possessive about their territories, even in small towns or burgs, and I am as unwelcome as a Martian would be if I am not known to locals.
Now, if I am in a good-sized city, I know enough to get directions of what regions of that city to avoid. Pretending that a city is more civilized than the backwater regions is silly, and could lead people to make errors that have disastrous results.
Alaska does not have "sundown towns" as far as I know, but that is quite separate from being a very dangerous place. It can be a deadly place, and the environment is brutal. As far as ethnic diversity, Alaska is outstanding in it care for native people and there are dozens of languages spoken within the school system. During my visits to medical clinics, I have witnessed families in for medical care when only one member speaks English and must translate for the patient.
This is a contrast to the lower 48 states, where English was forced upon tribes as a consequence of losing wars. Alaska was purchased, and the native peoples were included as property rather than being defeated in a war. This occurred relatively recently, in historic terms, so that the people of the various tribes were recognized as free native peoples, instead of property. The civilizing of Alaska thus lacks the stains of the history of the lower 48 states in regards to race and wars, etc.

ScotishGerman27's photo
Sat 01/24/09 12:09 AM


:smile: I can't believe things like this are still going on.:smile:


I was surprised too!

East St. Louis, IL is 97% black. It wasn't that way in the early 1900's. It's a black city because the town next to it had the Sundown Law.




dont get me wrong... but this topic is so retarded wrong, u take ur a$$es to E STL IL where ur talking about an try an settle down an raise kids... dont talk poorly about my stating u should try just do it an see what happens, by all means
indifferent

Winx's photo
Sat 01/24/09 12:26 AM



:smile: I can't believe things like this are still going on.:smile:


I was surprised too!

East St. Louis, IL is 97% black. It wasn't that way in the early 1900's. It's a black city because the town next to it had the Sundown Law.




dont get me wrong... but this topic is so retarded wrong, u take ur a$$es to E STL IL where ur talking about an try an settle down an raise kids... dont talk poorly about my stating u should try just do it an see what happens, by all means
indifferent


It's about our history. That's not wrong, IMO.

I don't understand what you're trying to say about East St. Louis.

I'm in St. Louis, btw.

Winx's photo
Sat 01/24/09 12:27 AM
Thanks, a lot, Scoundrel. That was interesting. I like learning about these things.