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Topic: do you believe you love Jesus or think you do
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Wed 01/21/09 12:31 PM
People claim to love someone that they never meet and have no idea if the person even know if they are alive

also no one that knew this person is still alive and there are some that even dispute if this person was ever alive and is just imaginary …

so how can someone claim that they love someone that they never met and that they know this person loves them because they read it in a book…

what does that say about Love or about the person

Wouldn’t this suggest that love isn’t an emotion or an irrational uncontrollable feeling but just a commitment or frame of mind that one enters into willingly?

Also isn’t it delusional to claim that someone that lived 2,000 years before your existence that you never met loves you

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Wed 01/21/09 12:46 PM
Edited by Queene123 on Wed 01/21/09 12:47 PM

People claim to love someone that they never meet and have no idea if the person even know if they are alive

also no one that knew this person is still alive and there are some that even dispute if this person was ever alive and is just imaginary …

so how can someone claim that they love someone that they never met and that they know this person loves them because they read it in a book…

what does that say about Love or about the person

Wouldn’t this suggest that love isn’t an emotion or an irrational uncontrollable feeling but just a commitment or frame of mind that one enters into willingly?

Also isn’t it delusional to claim that someone that lived 2,000 years before your existence that you never met loves you



if you have never had a nde, then you wouldnt understand.
my son had one back in the end of 2007 and he saw him.. i have also seen a vision of him on several differnt times

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Wed 01/21/09 12:50 PM
Edited by ljcc1964 on Wed 01/21/09 12:52 PM
Isn't it arrogant and kinda mean to suggest that someone is "delusional" for believing something.....when you don't even know them?

I'm just saying.....


P.S. I believe you are correct in suggesting that love is a commitment.....because human feelings do tend to come and go.

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Wed 01/21/09 12:58 PM

Isn't it arrogant and kinda mean to suggest that someone is "delusional" for believing something.....when you don't even know them?


seems to me, believing in a guy that lives in the clouds, and a talking snake are delusions.

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Wed 01/21/09 12:58 PM


People claim to love someone that they never meet and have no idea if the person even know if they are alive

also no one that knew this person is still alive and there are some that even dispute if this person was ever alive and is just imaginary …

so how can someone claim that they love someone that they never met and that they know this person loves them because they read it in a book…

what does that say about Love or about the person

Wouldn’t this suggest that love isn’t an emotion or an irrational uncontrollable feeling but just a commitment or frame of mind that one enters into willingly?

Also isn’t it delusional to claim that someone that lived 2,000 years before your existence that you never met loves you



if you have never had a nde, then you wouldnt understand.
my son had one back in the end of 2007 and he saw him.. i have also seen a vision of him on several differnt times


"Queene" everyone that claim that they love Jesus hasn't had a near death experience or have visions ..

besides near death experience, visions and inspired by God has been discuss in this forum and it' no evidence of those experiences being anything more than a dream of an hallucination ...

unless you have new evidence to the contrary

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Wed 01/21/09 01:01 PM



People claim to love someone that they never meet and have no idea if the person even know if they are alive

also no one that knew this person is still alive and there are some that even dispute if this person was ever alive and is just imaginary …

so how can someone claim that they love someone that they never met and that they know this person loves them because they read it in a book…

what does that say about Love or about the person

Wouldn’t this suggest that love isn’t an emotion or an irrational uncontrollable feeling but just a commitment or frame of mind that one enters into willingly?

Also isn’t it delusional to claim that someone that lived 2,000 years before your existence that you never met loves you



if you have never had a nde, then you wouldnt understand.
my son had one back in the end of 2007 and he saw him.. i have also seen a vision of him on several differnt times


"Queene" everyone that claim that they love Jesus hasn't had a near death experience or have visions ..

besides near death experience, visions and inspired by God has been discuss in this forum and it' no evidence of those experiences being anything more than a dream of an hallucination ...

unless you have new evidence to the contrary

for what my son has seen is enough evidence for me

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Wed 01/21/09 01:04 PM


Isn't it arrogant and kinda mean to suggest that someone is "delusional" for believing something.....when you don't even know them?


seems to me, believing in a guy that lives in the clouds, and a talking snake are delusions.


Just because a person says a thing is so....doesn't mean it is so. This applies to both Christians and Non-Christians alike.

BTW....my talking snake says he takes offense.

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Wed 01/21/09 01:07 PM
Well to believe in someone you don't know is possible I guess, yet to love them even though you haven't met them is possible also I guess, yet if that person you never met has the same feelings is hard to believe, yet possible if that person had mentioned that "I love everyone regardless if I see them or not". Did Jesus mention this?

I know one thing is dinner is coming around the corner and I love food, yet I don't think that food loves me since it had to sacrifice its life to get into my system.


Nevertheless, it is possible to love someone without meeting them. I think of Halle Berry and I love her, yet I know she doesn't love melaugh

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Wed 01/21/09 01:07 PM


Isn't it arrogant and kinda mean to suggest that someone is "delusional" for believing something.....when you don't even know them?


seems to me, believing in a guy that lives in the clouds, and a talking snake are delusions.
talking snakes are from those that can't read with understanding, the serpent is one of the names of Satan. Knowledge wasn't gained from a piece of fruit. No apple was eaten. God and Christ are in Heaven, not the clouds, where is heaven? wherever God is.

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Wed 01/21/09 01:12 PM



Isn't it arrogant and kinda mean to suggest that someone is "delusional" for believing something.....when you don't even know them?


seems to me, believing in a guy that lives in the clouds, and a talking snake are delusions.
talking snakes are from those that can't read with understanding, the serpent is one of the names of Satan. Knowledge wasn't gained from a piece of fruit. No apple was eaten. God and Christ are in Heaven, not the clouds, where is heaven? wherever God is.




Here we go again, with the pick and choosing what everything means. . .

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Wed 01/21/09 01:18 PM




Isn't it arrogant and kinda mean to suggest that someone is "delusional" for believing something.....when you don't even know them?


seems to me, believing in a guy that lives in the clouds, and a talking snake are delusions.
talking snakes are from those that can't read with understanding, the serpent is one of the names of Satan. Knowledge wasn't gained from a piece of fruit. No apple was eaten. God and Christ are in Heaven, not the clouds, where is heaven? wherever God is.




Here we go again, with the pick and choosing what everything means. . .


Isn't that what you just did?

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Wed 01/21/09 01:23 PM

Isn't it arrogant and kinda mean to suggest that someone is "delusional" for believing something.....when you don't even know them?


ljcc...well is the behavior delusional or not.. and if the answer is no ...then can you give a brief "rational" synopsis as to why it's not

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Wed 01/21/09 01:34 PM


Isn't it arrogant and kinda mean to suggest that someone is "delusional" for believing something.....when you don't even know them?


ljcc...well is the behavior delusional or not.. and if the answer is no ...then can you give a brief "rational" synopsis as to why it's not


Sorry. I think the responsibility is yours to prove that what you say is delusional...is, in fact, delusional. You would have to know the person in question well enough to provide details as to why this person's belief is delusional. I don't really care to put any effort into disproving something that you haven't proven to begin with. What do you believe about Jesus? and why?


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Wed 01/21/09 01:36 PM
Edited by boo2u on Wed 01/21/09 01:45 PM

my son had one back in the end of 2007 and he saw him.. i have also seen a vision of him on several differnt times


I don't think anyone can say for a fact that NDE's are not real. However if one seriously believes they will see something then they just may see exactly what they want to see. Not such a bad thing I think...

Why not. Others who are not christian describe other things they saw, so what might be god or heaven to one might just be a peaceful transition to the next level to another. Maybe it is just a dream state at the time of death, still not bad, though if you are a miserable person that might not be so much fun.. lol

None of us know until we die what happens if any thing happens.

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Wed 01/21/09 01:37 PM



Isn't it arrogant and kinda mean to suggest that someone is "delusional" for believing something.....when you don't even know them?


ljcc...well is the behavior delusional or not.. and if the answer is no ...then can you give a brief "rational" synopsis as to why it's not


Sorry. I think the responsibility is yours to prove that what you say is delusional...is, in fact, delusional. You would have to know the person in question well enough to provide details as to why this person's belief is delusional. I don't really care to put any effort into disproving something that you haven't proven to begin with. What do you believe about Jesus? and why?




delusion - an erroneous belief that is held in the face of evidence to the contrary

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Wed 01/21/09 01:37 PM
As children we believed in Santa Claus and the likes, and never saw them.

I Love Jesus My Lord and Savior. Have I met him in person, yes daily in my prayers and lifes surroundings. The tree, the ocean, people I meet.

The plane that crashed was not ALL the pilots skills. God performed a Miracle that day and saved many lives.

If the US Government can print on currency " In God We Trust" then why can't we believe in what some say we can't see ?

It is called faith and I am a believer.


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Wed 01/21/09 01:40 PM

what does that say about Love or about the person


Not much.

In fact, it's pretty clear to me that most Christians only claim to love Jesus because they think that by making that claim they will win eternal life.



"Abracadbra" ...also claiming to Love Jesus may be like a resume ....it's a way to make people comfortable by presenting the assumption that you are a good person because you love Jesus ...

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Wed 01/21/09 01:42 PM
I don't judge and believe the only one that can is jesus.

It says alot about LOVE. Love is unconditional, I like all am a sinner, and he still loves me .


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Wed 01/21/09 01:49 PM

I don't judge and believe the only one that can is jesus.

It says alot about LOVE. Love is unconditional, I like all am a sinner, and he still loves me .




Love is unconditional... that's a nice thought kojack, but many christians don't act like love is unconditional. I am gay and believe me christians were I am don't love me unconditionally nor does their god.

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Wed 01/21/09 01:51 PM
I have a few friends that are gay, some bisexual and they will always be close to me and my heart.

Both male and female, so....

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