Topic: do you believe you love Jesus or think you do
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Wed 01/21/09 01:51 PM

for what my son has seen is enough evidence for me


"Queene" ..well it's understanable why you would say that but that's not really evidence .. did he explain how he knew it was Jesus ..did he tell you of some new unknown knowledge that he brought back from his near death experience ..did he supply any evidence beyond it being just a dream

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Wed 01/21/09 01:52 PM




Isn't it arrogant and kinda mean to suggest that someone is "delusional" for believing something.....when you don't even know them?


seems to me, believing in a guy that lives in the clouds, and a talking snake are delusions.
talking snakes are from those that can't read with understanding, the serpent is one of the names of Satan. Knowledge wasn't gained from a piece of fruit. No apple was eaten. God and Christ are in Heaven, not the clouds, where is heaven? wherever God is.




Here we go again, with the pick and choosing what everything means. . .
looks that way don't it. Not all christians believe what is commonly taught or mis taught in most churches. Especially talking snakes and apples and such. My understanding of the scripture makes perfect sense to me, not the talking snake and apple and people in the clouds and angels with wings things. And as long as i'm happy and content with it, then its perfect for me, can't speak for others though. Wouldn't want to, not their souls i'm concerned with when it comes down to it

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Wed 01/21/09 01:57 PM


I don't judge and believe the only one that can is jesus.

It says alot about LOVE. Love is unconditional, I like all am a sinner, and he still loves me .




Love is unconditional... that's a nice thought kojack, but many christians don't act like love is unconditional. I am gay and believe me christians were I am don't love me unconditionally nor does their god.


Sorry to hear about your troubles. I don't know you and can't possibly know why you believe that neither Christians, not God loves you. But let me refer back to what I said earlier....Just because someone says a thing is so...it doesn't make it so.

You are right. Many Christians are hypocrites. But love is what it is...regardless of how someone may fail to apply it.

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Wed 01/21/09 02:00 PM

Nevertheless, it is possible to love someone without meeting them. I think of Halle Berry and I love her, yet I know she doesn't love melaugh


"smiles" would you love Halle Berry if she lived 2,000 years before you were born ...well it's possible that you're into older women but let's add in the fact that you never actually seen a picture of her ..

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Wed 01/21/09 02:02 PM


Nevertheless, it is possible to love someone without meeting them. I think of Halle Berry and I love her, yet I know she doesn't love melaugh


"smiles" would you love Halle Berry if she lived 2,000 years before you were born ...well it's possible that you're into older women but let's add in the fact that you never actually seen a picture of her ..


no that would be difficult unless she mentions my personal name in the scriptures saying she loves melaugh

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Wed 01/21/09 02:08 PM

Sorry to hear about your troubles. I don't know you and can't possibly know why you believe that neither Christians, not God loves you. But let me refer back to what I said earlier....Just because someone says a thing is so...it doesn't make it so.

You are right. Many Christians are hypocrites. But love is what it is...regardless of how someone may fail to apply it.


Sorry to hear about my troubles? I don't remember saying I had troubles? lmao

I realize you probably didn't mean to suggest that I did, however I don't know any christians that believe in bible, that have anything but contempt for gay people.

Am I troubled by that, actually if I was it was a long time ago. Now it doesn't suprise me at all... Used to it. Still I dont' know that christians know what unconditional love is. Or they think they do, but when faced with an issue they have trouble with, the unconditional goes right out the window...

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Wed 01/21/09 02:14 PM


Sorry to hear about your troubles. I don't know you and can't possibly know why you believe that neither Christians, not God loves you. But let me refer back to what I said earlier....Just because someone says a thing is so...it doesn't make it so.

You are right. Many Christians are hypocrites. But love is what it is...regardless of how someone may fail to apply it.


Sorry to hear about my troubles? I don't remember saying I had troubles? lmao

I realize you probably didn't mean to suggest that I did, however I don't know any christians that believe in bible, that have anything but contempt for gay people.

Am I troubled by that, actually if I was it was a long time ago. Now it doesn't suprise me at all... Used to it. Still I dont' know that christians know what unconditional love is. Or they think they do, but when faced with an issue they have trouble with, the unconditional goes right out the window...
I'm a Christian, I believe in the Bible and I have gay friends. I don't pick friends based on their sex life, it is none of my business and I don't want it to be anyway. My sex life is not their concern nor is theirs mine. We all sin, one way or another, that is the beauty of repentance.

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Wed 01/21/09 02:15 PM
take care, gotta go, it's my birthday and I'm gonna get smashed, yup, that's right, smashed, you heard it here, from the horses mouth,laugh

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Wed 01/21/09 02:16 PM



Isn't it arrogant and kinda mean to suggest that someone is "delusional" for believing something.....when you don't even know them?


ljcc...well is the behavior delusional or not.. and if the answer is no ...then can you give a brief "rational" synopsis as to why it's not


Sorry. I think the responsibility is yours to prove that what you say is delusional...is, in fact, delusional. You would have to know the person in question well enough to provide details as to why this person's belief is delusional. I don't really care to put any effort into disproving something that you haven't proven to begin with. What do you believe about Jesus? and why?


"ljcc" ...so do you feel that this is an acceptable way as to how people should make claims of Love whether it's for Jesus in a book or for someone in life or someone off the internet ...that you feel that it's ok ...

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Wed 01/21/09 02:25 PM


Sorry to hear about your troubles. I don't know you and can't possibly know why you believe that neither Christians, not God loves you. But let me refer back to what I said earlier....Just because someone says a thing is so...it doesn't make it so.

You are right. Many Christians are hypocrites. But love is what it is...regardless of how someone may fail to apply it.


Sorry to hear about my troubles? I don't remember saying I had troubles? lmao

I realize you probably didn't mean to suggest that I did, however I don't know any christians that believe in bible, that have anything but contempt for gay people.

Am I troubled by that, actually if I was it was a long time ago. Now it doesn't suprise me at all... Used to it. Still I dont' know that christians know what unconditional love is. Or they think they do, but when faced with an issue they have trouble with, the unconditional goes right out the window...


Well it certainly is "troubling" to be persecuted.

Some Christians are indeed judgmental and don't know what unconditional love is. That does not mean that they are all that way. And FYI.....this phenomena is not restricted to Christians.

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Wed 01/21/09 02:26 PM

As children we believed in Santa Claus and the likes, and never saw them.

I Love Jesus My Lord and Savior. Have I met him in person, yes daily in my prayers and lifes surroundings. The tree, the ocean, people I meet.

The plane that crashed was not ALL the pilots skills. God performed a Miracle that day and saved many lives.

If the US Government can print on currency " In God We Trust" then why can't we believe in what some say we can't see ?

It is called faith and I am a believer.


"Kojak" if you believe that God had a hand in the plane crash then wasn't it God that sent the birds into the engine

if you believe that people have "Free Will" then why would you believe that God had anything to do with anything concerning that plane

so how do you explain Hurricane Katarina ...God just didn't like those people

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Wed 01/21/09 02:30 PM

I don't judge and believe the only one that can is jesus.

It says alot about LOVE. Love is unconditional, I like all am a sinner, and he still loves me .


"kojak" ...but by calling love unconditional you just place a condition on it

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Wed 01/21/09 02:31 PM

Well it certainly is "troubling" to be persecuted.

Some Christians are indeed judgmental and don't know what unconditional love is. That does not mean that they are all that way. And FYI.....this phenomena is not restricted to Christians.


I don't know that I would use the word persecuted. I don't feel persecuted at all. Annoyed maybe. People killed for being gay... well that would be persecution.. Any way I agree not all christians are like that, in my circles most are not, but probably more are than are not, unfortunately.

And I do realize that this isn't restricted to christians, but I would think that all religions related to the bible... though i have not focused one which ones outside the big three are.

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Wed 01/21/09 02:36 PM
Edited by ljcc1964 on Wed 01/21/09 02:38 PM




Isn't it arrogant and kinda mean to suggest that someone is "delusional" for believing something.....when you don't even know them?


ljcc...well is the behavior delusional or not.. and if the answer is no ...then can you give a brief "rational" synopsis as to why it's not


Sorry. I think the responsibility is yours to prove that what you say is delusional...is, in fact, delusional. You would have to know the person in question well enough to provide details as to why this person's belief is delusional. I don't really care to put any effort into disproving something that you haven't proven to begin with. What do you believe about Jesus? and why?


"ljcc" ...so do you feel that this is an acceptable way as to how people should make claims of Love whether it's for Jesus in a book or for someone in life or someone off the internet ...that you feel that it's ok ...


I believe that one has to have some measure of personal and intimate encounter in order to proclaim love. What that measure is and what type of encounter merits the bestowing of the label "love"....that is completely subjective to each person. We would also have to agree on a definition of love.....which is also....unfortunately....completely subjective.

If one has had absolutely no encounter with the other person in question.....then of course it is rather delusional to assume love from the other person. Then we may be moving into the subject of faith. But if you cannot prove the lack of any such encounter...logic dictates that you cannot claim delusion.


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Wed 01/21/09 02:37 PM



Nevertheless, it is possible to love someone without meeting them. I think of Halle Berry and I love her, yet I know she doesn't love melaugh


"smiles" would you love Halle Berry if she lived 2,000 years before you were born ...well it's possible that you're into older women but let's add in the fact that you never actually seen a picture of her ..


no that would be difficult unless she mentions my personal name in the scriptures saying she loves melaugh


you may have to legally change your name to "everyone"

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Wed 01/21/09 02:40 PM


I don't judge and believe the only one that can is jesus.

It says alot about LOVE. Love is unconditional, I like all am a sinner, and he still loves me .


"kojak" ...but by calling love unconditional you just place a condition on it


No, I didn't and please don't put words in my mouth, or misunderstand me True love has no conditions.


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Wed 01/21/09 03:04 PM





Isn't it arrogant and kinda mean to suggest that someone is "delusional" for believing something.....when you don't even know them?


ljcc...well is the behavior delusional or not.. and if the answer is no ...then can you give a brief "rational" synopsis as to why it's not


Sorry. I think the responsibility is yours to prove that what you say is delusional...is, in fact, delusional. You would have to know the person in question well enough to provide details as to why this person's belief is delusional. I don't really care to put any effort into disproving something that you haven't proven to begin with. What do you believe about Jesus? and why?


"ljcc" ...so do you feel that this is an acceptable way as to how people should make claims of Love whether it's for Jesus in a book or for someone in life or someone off the internet ...that you feel that it's ok ...


I believe that one has to have some measure of personal and intimate encounter in order to proclaim love. What that measure is and what type of encounter merits the bestowing of the label "love"....that is completely subjective to each person. We would also have to agree on a definition of love.....which is also....unfortunately....completely subjective.

If one has had absolutely no encounter with the other person in question.....then of course it is rather delusional to assume love from the other person. Then we may be moving into the subject of faith. But if you cannot prove the lack of any such encounter...logic dictates that you cannot claim delusion.


"ljcc"...there is no need to prove if the person is actually in love but there is a need to show that their behavior is delusional and if the behavior is delusional is an indication that the person is delusional especially if they make claims of having contact with long dead entities it then becomes the claimee's burden to prove that it's not a delusion

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Wed 01/21/09 03:08 PM






Isn't it arrogant and kinda mean to suggest that someone is "delusional" for believing something.....when you don't even know them?


ljcc...well is the behavior delusional or not.. and if the answer is no ...then can you give a brief "rational" synopsis as to why it's not


Sorry. I think the responsibility is yours to prove that what you say is delusional...is, in fact, delusional. You would have to know the person in question well enough to provide details as to why this person's belief is delusional. I don't really care to put any effort into disproving something that you haven't proven to begin with. What do you believe about Jesus? and why?


"ljcc" ...so do you feel that this is an acceptable way as to how people should make claims of Love whether it's for Jesus in a book or for someone in life or someone off the internet ...that you feel that it's ok ...


I believe that one has to have some measure of personal and intimate encounter in order to proclaim love. What that measure is and what type of encounter merits the bestowing of the label "love"....that is completely subjective to each person. We would also have to agree on a definition of love.....which is also....unfortunately....completely subjective.

If one has had absolutely no encounter with the other person in question.....then of course it is rather delusional to assume love from the other person. Then we may be moving into the subject of faith. But if you cannot prove the lack of any such encounter...logic dictates that you cannot claim delusion.


"ljcc"...there is no need to prove if the person is actually in love but there is a need to show that their behavior is delusional and if the behavior is delusional is an indication that the person is delusional especially if they make claims of having contact with long dead entities it then becomes the claimee's burden to prove that it's not a delusion


What?

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Wed 01/21/09 03:34 PM


for what my son has seen is enough evidence for me


"Queene" ..well it's understanable why you would say that but that's not really evidence .. did he explain how he knew it was Jesus ..did he tell you of some new unknown knowledge that he brought back from his near death experience ..did he supply any evidence beyond it being just a dream


where do you get it as a dream, nde is not a dream... as for any evidence he said that he saw my grandmother and she told him to go back. he never knew my grandmother and to let you know children that have special needs do have a great gift

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Wed 01/21/09 04:21 PM



I don't judge and believe the only one that can is jesus.

It says alot about LOVE. Love is unconditional, I like all am a sinner, and he still loves me .


"kojak" ...but by calling love unconditional you just place a condition on it


No, I didn't and please don't put words in my mouth, or misunderstand me True love has no conditions.


"Kojak" ... you can only expect from someone what is reasonable and not expect them to do insane things or lose their individuality to prove their love ...

this is why if you expect their love to be unconditional is actually your way of placing conditions on their love in order to control them