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Topic: Windows 7 * (the new Windows)
chrish's photo
Mon 01/26/09 10:04 AM

This is the part that I don not get: Since it is not very complicated, then how hard is it to make a stupid button that does type in command promt the following:

./configure
make
make install


Or simply the OS itself knows to do that when a user wants to install something?

I do not know if I am making myself clear, but I wonder, if Linux is in fact as simple as Nuxoids say it is, then why aren't there buttons typing those same commands then?

My guess is it is not so simple. The OS is likely not capable of operating without extensive guidance from the command line, which likely includes many commands / parameters in unpredictable order. That is why there is still not a complete gui.

I did look at Ubuntu. Looks a lot like Mac to me. Goofy. Personally, if I wanted to be goofy, I'd just take Mac then... I expected an interface that is better than Windows (pre XP), not the one that is worse than Mac...

All in my opinion, of course.


There is a GUI for compiling. My comment was with reference to someone complaining about compiling programs. You took it out of context.

Linux is completely capable of being operated without ever needing the command line.

As I said before, Windows teaches users bad habits, once you are out of those habits, computing in general will be a lot better for you (even using Windows).

My god daughter who is 12 is very capable of using Linux, she installed an MSN client (aMSN), and got the webcam working and the first I knew of it was when she started a chat with me. No drama and no CLI used.

She is by no means a computer genius (although she is well ahead of her class in computing so much so that her tutor commented on it as being 'incredible').

She knows about the concepts of computing (files, folders, peripherals etc) and GUIs (WIMP - Windows Icons Menus and Pointers), really simple stuff, but she is not used to the "Microsoft Way", so she can adapt.

In her school they teach the kids how to use Microsoft Office, and later on they use Macs, they never touch Linux. Yet by knowing and using Linux, she is streets ahead of the rest of her class when using Microsoft products.

Her comment on Linux is "I like the penguin, I think he's cute".
She prefers Macs because she thinks they are cooler, and she thinks Windows is stupid.
I've never told her what OS she can run (she can choose (she has a Mac Mini which runs Ubuntu, but she knows she can choose between Windows, OS X and Linux)), and I don't 'coach' her with computing.

Ta,

Chris.

nogames39's photo
Mon 01/26/09 06:51 PM
Chris,

What are the bad habits you are talking about?

And, congrats on your daughter, she is evidently a bright kid.

no photo
Mon 01/26/09 07:42 PM


Yeah. If the Linux crowd made a REAL GUI and not that parser-slash-gnome crap, they'd have M$ by the balls. All they'd have to do is make it easier to use (without all that compilation crap) and they'd be all set.


REAL GUI!??! Gnome has a far superior GUI to Windows XP / Vista! By superior I mean: more consistent, more intuitive, easier to extend and easier to learn.

If your used to the M$ GUI then there will be a learning curve as you get out of the bad habits you have been taught by M$.

There is also KDE, XFCE, Fluxbox and Enlightenment. Choose what works best for you.

Get out of the bad habits you have learn by using M$ and then you have something not many M$ users are used to... Choice!

Also, there are many many many distros where you never ever have to compile anything (Ubuntu included). I know loads of people who happily use Linux and don't even know what compiling is.

Even so, with Automake compiling some software is much easier. Although it is normally a case of:
./configure
make
make install

Which doesn't look too hard to me (although I've been using *nix variations for years, and cut my teeth on *nix before I'd even seen Windows).


Ta,

Chris.



Linux is STILL plagued by a confusing GUI interface, whether it be KDE, Gnome, or any of the other GUIs out there, and it's a documented fact (Maximum PC had an article about why Linux hasn't surpassed Windows as the OS to use a while back, and it had an poll that said this).

While I quite LIKE using KDE or Gnome (I've used SuSE Linux for years now), there are others out there who clearly aren't bright enough to adapt to the changes that are present in going from Windows to KDE. Instead of spending a small amount of time trying to figure things out, many just take the easy route and go for Windows instead.

It should be said that I personally prefer Linux over Windows as it's simply the better route to take. However, I haven't changed all of my computers to 'Nix because it STILL doesn't have the software support that Windows does. Once THAT happens, M$ can pretty much kiss itself goodbye.

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Tue 01/27/09 12:23 AM

Linux is STILL plagued by a confusing GUI interface, whether it be KDE, Gnome, or any of the other GUIs out there, and it's a documented fact (Maximum PC had an article about why Linux hasn't surpassed Windows as the OS to use a while back, and it had an poll that said this).

While I quite LIKE using KDE or Gnome (I've used SuSE Linux for years now), there are others out there who clearly aren't bright enough to adapt to the changes that are present in going from Windows to KDE. Instead of spending a small amount of time trying to figure things out, many just take the easy route and go for Windows instead.


Not always the case. I don't see anything complicated with KDE and especially Gnome. If anything, both are offensively simple.

By this I mean oversimplifying to the point that it seems the interface was designed for an infant. Goofiness, bordering with extremely offensive interface of Macs.

My grief is that you have to use command line sometimes, and the question that arises is this: If KDE and Gnome creators went so far to greate stupid goofy graphics and round corners, then how come they have overlooked the small instances of command line? One would think that the base would be covered first, and then the goofiness would be piled up.

Speaking of this... I may not know, may be someone can suggest a GUI that is reminiscent of Windows 2000 (standard theme), meaning No Goofiness, simple, clean and square functionality that has no need for command line whatsoever? I would like to try... I am not completely giving up on my chance to forget about M$.

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