One has to wonder what is wrong with the ACLU.They love to represent terrorist and try their hardest to get them set free.You have a child murder,pedophile,or other equal trash in prison and the ACLU wants them set free.The ACLU hates Christians and always sides with radical Muslims.Now we have the ACLU representing the gangs of California.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20090115/ts_csm/apayup_1

Humm let's see...the ACLU has defended Rush Limbaugh, The American Nazi Party, The Westboro Baptist Church, Larry Craig,The KKK, gun rights and has opposed the Real I.D. Act...yeppers...a buncha liberal wing-nut perverts...*COUGH*

Surely all neocon hero's and causes.

Funny thing about the rule of law...but then...never mind...

Once again thomas shows his a s s Your namesake Jefferson and paine would be disgusted..WILL

HA HA HA

Once more, on display for all to see...I love it.

There is a fundamental difference between you and I thomas3474.

I do not believe in letting only the privileged or only those of certain political parties or religions views or only those I agree with exercise the rights guaranteed to us in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

However, as much as I have seen you rail against what you perceive as liberal political correctness, I would think that you might see now that cuts two ways.

This quote embodies my view quite well.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." -S. G. Tallentyre

It seems from the tone of your last post Thomas and from others I have read that you authored that you think it is perfectly alright to silence those who disagree with you?

The irony is rich here!

I agree smoking should be allowed in bars and restaurants everywhere.. Also I wouldnever take your Guns thomas.. It is probably the only way you have left to make a point like yours stick.. LOL

If I am offending the usual party in here I know I am speaking the truth.I think all the founding fathers would be pissed off knowing Liberals are trying to take away our gun rights.They would be angry that freedom of religion(espcially Christianity)is trampled over like a cheap suit.They would not be too happy to hear smoking was banned in all public places including bars.I think if they heard all the liberal laws that was passed they would probably think they were in the wrong country.

The only thing I am doing is posting facts and not conspiracy theories.

Smoker's Rights

http://www.aclu.org/workplacerights/gen/13384res19981231.html

Religion?

..ACLU Files Lawsuit To Protect Religious Liberty Of New Jersey Prisoner

..San Bernardino County Agrees To Allow Religious Head Scarves In County Jails

..ACLU Sues School District For Punishing Kindergarten Student Because Of Family's Religious Beliefs

With links to other ACLU religious cases

http://www.aclu.org/religion/index.html


Gun Rights

Unusual Allies in a Legal Battle Over Texas Drivers’ Gun Rights

In a report issued in February, the Texas affiliate of the National Rifle Association joined the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas and the Texas Criminal Justice Coalition “to spotlight unlawful, unnecessary governmental encroachment on average law-abiding citizens.”

The report, “Above the Law: How Texas prosecutors are placing their own judgment over that of the Legislature and the law of the land,” found that district and county attorneys had instructed police officers to “unnecessarily” interrogate drivers and arrest them or take their weapons, “even if they are legally carrying the gun.”

“It’s all the self-interest of the job,” said Scott Henson, a civil liberties advocate and blogger who wrote the report. Mr. Henson contends that police officers are opposed to citizens’ carrying guns and that prosecutors depend on gun charges to strengthen weak cases and prompt plea bargains.



http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/05/us/politics/05guns.html?_r=1&em&ex=1175918400&en=1844ac9bdf566719&ei=5087%0A


Gun Rights

ACLU POSITION
Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right. For seven decades, the Supreme Court's 1939 decision in United States v. Miller was widely understood to have endorsed that view.

The Supreme Court has now ruled otherwise. In striking down Washington D.C.'s handgun ban by a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court's 2008 decision in D.C. v. Heller held for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, whether or not associated with a state militia.

The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court's conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment. We do not, however, take a position on gun control itself. In our view, neither the possession of guns nor the regulation of guns raises a civil liberties issue.


http://www.aclu.org/crimjustice/gen/35904res20020304.html




Then your facts are wrong.

I think this sums it up....

http://www.frontiernet.net/~gappay/the_real_aclu.html


Coral Ridge Ministries' studies of the ACLU's activities, friend of the court briefs, and court cases have shown the ACLU's true agenda today. The ACLU clearly:

Opposes "abstinence before marriage" sex education citing that this is pushing a Christian moral position (the ACLU cares nothing for majority will or true law, but instead hopes to PUSH their moral view under the false names of freedom, neutrality and tolerance).

Opposes "God Bless America" banners in schools, and therefore all mention of God everywhere, including on our money, Pledge of Allegiance, and so forth.

Opposes Christian home schooling.
Opposes education vouchers (Democrats and the ACLU have done a wonderful job through court abuse and in the legislature of demonizing the Republican Party that tried repeatedly to give school choice to poor blacks and other disadvantaged people). The ACLU's fear here is that most children will end up going to a parochial school and learning something about the Bible, and the ACLU wants to squash the Christian influence or water it down to nothing.

Opposes government ethics committees.

Opposes legalized school prayer (voluntary prayer).
Opposes medical safety reporting of AIDS cases (that would protect the uninfected majority, and you).

Opposes our government's post 9/11 security measures.

Opposes parental consent laws.

Opposes prison terms for most crimes.

Opposes pro-life demonstrations (free speech for Christians).

Opposes religious displays in public (mainly Christian, unless it involves a cross in a jar of urine in a public museum, for example) EVERYWHERE they can get away with it.

Opposes sobriety checkpoints and drug searches (which keep law abiders safe).

Opposes use of religious symbols for historical reasons.

Supports abortion on demand throughout pregnancy.

Supports adoption by homosexuals (although honest, nonliberal, studies always show a disproportionately higher number of homosexual based child molestings over heterosexual molestings).

Supports censorship of the Ten Commandments of the Bible.

Supports extended constitutional protection for enemy soldiers while bearing arms.

Supports free access to pornography, including internet pornography access for children.

Supports freedom to desecrate our U.S. flag (even if the majority pass a law against it). The ACLU invented "freedom of expression" under the 1st Amendment to extend it to outside that of speech and written speech (press). It doesn't really exist.

Supports HATE CRIME LAWS (the step just before labelling the Bible as HATE SPEECH, as is evidenced in Canada and other nations). According to the FBI reports in 2002, only a fraction of a percent of hate crimes are against homosexuals, but these are the people who are flying under the radar PUSHING for this kind of legislation via groups like the ACLU.

Supports LEGALIZED CHILD PORNOGRAPHY (as FREE "SPEECH").

Supports LEGALIZED DRUGS (not just your over the counter cough drops folks).

Supports LEGALIZED POLYGAMY.

Supports LEGALIZED PROSTITUTION.

Supports mandatory comprehensive sex education, including detailed promotion of homosexuality and condom use.

Supports nudist camps for teenagers.

Supports OPEN HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE MILITARY (the
Founding Fathers opposed this).

Supports PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION (Clinton vetoed a ban on this TWICE and the Democrat protected liberal ACLU FRIENDLY judges, 6 out of 9 on the U.S. Supreme Court bench, illegally usurp authority to overturn any law passed by THE PEOPLE in our attempt to stop the "sucking out of babies' brains via high powered vacuum cleaners").

Supports pro-homosexual school curriculums.

Supports publicly funded profane art.

Supports same-sex marriages.

Supports tax-exempt status for Satanists.

Supports the right of an organization to help pedophiles learn how to seduce children, molest them sexually, and hide their activities from authorities (not to mention supporting the "right" to teach people how to build bombs via books, etc...).

Supports violent and sexually explicit entertainment as protected SPEECH (ficticiously protected under all circumstances by the new ACLU-rewritten version of the 1st Amendment, thanks to Democrats and liberal judges).

Fights for a MINOR'S "RIGHT" to an ABORTION WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT.

Intimidates school boards and threatens small communities, bullying them into compliance with distorted history and distorted law interpretation that they laid the groundwork for over the past decades.

The ACLU claims to be non-partisan BUT they launched an advertising campaign misrepresenting U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft as an anti-freedom "editor" of the Bill of Rights. They did this to advertise for the anti-Christian Democrats such that they won't lose their IRS tax exempt status via the 1954 Lyndon B. Johnson amended tax code which STEALS the 1st Amendment rights of churches and other non-profit organizations who engage in political free speech. Mr. Johnson violated the U.S. Constitution as a Democratic senator in order to silence Christian political opponents before his forthcoming presidential campaign without most other senators even noticing the amendment he SNUCK IN.

The ACLU has worked against the President's right to detain terrorists to keep us safe.

Opposes a republic governed by majority will, thereby opposing the predominantly Christian Founding Fathers and the majority of U.S. voters (this last entry is entirely mine).

I don't own guns.But since Obama is in office I am planning on stockpiling up on a whole arsenal of firepower.The pen is mightier then the sword Sir!.