No matter what people say about Teddy and ole Andy one thing is for sure.
They were men.

Bush is a coward!

A leader never ask his men to do something he is unwilling to do.
Bush killed almost 5000 men with a lie, for personal motivations.
When Vietnam was killing tens of thousands and there was a draft he used his daddies money and influence to avoid it. Many in his generation died while he lived the life of luxury. Cheney took 7, count them 7, student deferments to avoid going to Nam.
They are both cowards.

Rush Limbaugh - Sought deferment for ingrown hair follicle on his ass.
Trent Lott - Sought deferment, didn't want to muss his hair.

And here are some other GOP luminaries who never served in Vietnam, but join the teeming mob of right wing zealots in labeling Democrats as draft dodgers. (The list includes our previously mentioned Vietnam cowards):


Elliott Abrams - Sought deferment for bad back.
Richard Armey - Sought college deferment, too smart to die.
Bill Bennett - Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die.
Pat Buchanan - Sought deferment for bad knee.
George W. Bush Daddy got him in the National Guard
**** Cheney - Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die.
Tom DeLay - - Sought college deferment, too smart to die.
Newt Gingrich - Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die.
Phil Gramm - Sought marriage deferment, too loved to die.
Jack Kemp - Sought medical deferment while in the NFL.
Rush Limbaugh - Sought deferment for ingrown hair follicle on his ass.
Trent Lott - Sought deferment, didn't want to muss his hair.
P.J. O'Rourke - Sought deferment, too stoned.
Dan Quayle - Family got him into the Reserves.
Pat Robertson - Father pulled him out of Korea as soon as the shooting began.
Kenneth Starr Sought deferment for psoriasis.
John Wayne - Sought deferment to further acting career.
Vin Weber - Sought deferment for asthma.
George Will - Sought deferment, too much of a wussy.

(thanks to http://www.rackjite.com/chawks.htm for this list)

I sure am glad its almost Tuesday!

Now if we can just get congress to investigate and prosecute the cowards Bush and Cheney!

dont you think congress has more important things to do like fix our countries problems first?

I'm curious where you live because I had one conservative teacher in any of my political science, government, history, or economics classes. 1 in 8 to be exact.

and madison, Carter makes everyone look good.

The Bush legacy is important.
To keep these young Republicans from idlizing him, and others from following his example if for no other reason!

No one is above the law!

Now if only we can keep the democrats from idolizing Clinton we can REALLY cut down on the law breakers...

What's funny is their policial philosophies are nearly identical.

I truely, with all my heart believe that the majority of dems are at least as pro rich as the repubs you are talking about. This is because they fall under the federalist philosophies. They believe in centralizing everything, and they believe the bigger the government, the better off we are. And for some reason they also favor government control over industries. The problem we are having is not at all with conservatives. Not even a little. It's a neoconservative point of view. It's the people hiding behind religion, and pro-war philosophies.

People are tired of aggressive foreign policies, government expansions, foolish spending habits, etc. I frankly can't think of too many democrats that are against any of this. For some reason the ones that are (Dennis Kucinich), are thought of as fools. Ron Paul was a true conservative republican, and he was thought of as a fool as well.

Interesting how similar both sides are. Makes you wonder if the two different sides aren't republican and democrat, but instead are fiscal conservatives/liberal rights beliefs(constitutionalists), and fiscal non-conservatives/pro population control.

I still don't see how people believe that when they chose between McCain and Obama, or Bush and Kerry, or Bush and Gore, that they were actually choosing between two different policial philosophies. The same pattern that was held under clinton has been held under bush and so on...

Well for those who say history will be kinder to Shrub than we might suspect may be right. After all with a little recrafting of history I am sure he will be cast in a somewhat better light by those that still support him.

The whole 22% that is...

Seriously, with this sort of approval rating one imagines he has no where to go but up.

(CBS) President Bush will leave office as one of the most unpopular departing presidents in history, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll showing Mr. Bush's final approval rating at 22 percent.

Seventy-three percent say they disapprove of the way Mr. Bush has handled his job as president over the last eight years.

Mr. Bush's final approval rating is the lowest final rating for an outgoing president since Gallup began asking about presidential approval more than 70 years ago.

The rating is far below the final ratings of recent two-term presidents Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan, who both ended their terms with a 68 percent approval rating, according to CBS News polling.

Recent one term presidents also had higher ratings than Mr. Bush. His father George H.W. Bush had an end-of-term rating of 54 percent, while Jimmy Carter's rating was 44 percent.

Harry Truman had previously had the lowest end-of-term approval at 32 percent, as measured by Gallup.

Views of Mr. Bush's popularity are highly partisan. Only 6 percent of Democrats approve of the job he has done as president, while 57 percent of Republicans approve. Eighteen percent of independents approve.

Interestingly, Mr. Bush also has the distinction of having the highest approval rating for a president, as well as the lowest.

In November 2008, just before the presidential election, only 20 percent approved of the job he was doing as president - the lowest of any president since Gallup began asking the question in 1938.

But Mr. Bush enjoyed a high approval rating of 90 percent -- the highest of any president -- following the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001.

Mr. Bush edged out his father for that highest rating. George H.W. Bush received an 88 percent approval rating in 1991 amid the success of the first Gulf War.

Truman comes closest to Mr. Bush's record low approval rating of 20 percent. In February 1952, just 22 percent of Americans approved of the job Truman was doing as president.

Evaluations Of The President

Half of all Americans, when they look back on Mr. Bush's eight years in office, believe he has been a poor president. Thirty-three percent think he has been an average president. Twelve percent say he has been a good president, and only 5 percent say he has been a very good president.

This evaluation is more negative than the ones Americans gave both the current president’s predecessor, Mr. Clinton, and the president’s father.

The president has also fallen short of expectations: As Mr. Bush was preparing to enter the White House in January 2001, 43 percent thought he would be a very good or good president. Only 12 percent thought he would be a poor one.

As for the incoming president, the CBS News poll also asked about expectations of President-elect Barack Obama. Sixty-eight percent think Mr. Obama will be a good or very good president - 25 points higher than expectations for Mr. Bush.

Nine in 10 Democrats expect Mr. Obama to be a good president, including 48 percent who think he will be a "very good" one. Republicans are less hopeful, but 38 percent still say Mr. Obama will be a good president.

If I recall correctly Lynann, t'was not it you who provided a quote by Mark Twain... along the lines of "lies, damn lies, and statistics" in another thread? OOPs

Lovely shade of selective hypocrisy you're wearing today