I have studied schizophrenia in college. I worked in some residential and some out-pt. treatment centers. I have never heard of a cure. I don't buy it.

How can someone with a neurobiology problem of the brain, "get a grip" to behave oneself? Please tell.

I am not talking about church....I have seen many healed by the power of the Lord. Take church out of it here people, I am talking about a personal relationship with the Lord. When the Bible speaks of demons this are mental issues. Satan can't have the power over you if you have a personal relationship with Mighty savior.


Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'

Matthew 8:31
The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs."

Matthew 9:34
But the Pharisees said, "It is by the prince of demons that he drives out demons."

Matthew 10:8
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.

Matthew 12:28
But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Mark 1:34
and Jesus healed many who had various diseases. He also drove out many demons, but he would not let the demons speak because they knew who he was.

Mark 1:39
So he traveled throughout Galilee, preaching in their synagogues and driving out demons.

Mark 3:15
and to have authority to drive out demons.

Mark 3:22
And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, "He is possessed by Beelzebub ! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons."

Mark 5:15
When they came to Jesus, they saw the man who had been possessed by the legion of demons, sitting there, dressed and in his right mind; and they were afraid.

Mark 6:13
They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them.

Mark 16:9
The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20. When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.

Mark 16:17
And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues;

Mark 17:41
Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, "You are the Son of God!" But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Christ.

Luke 8:31
"Legion," he replied, because many demons had gone into him. And they begged him repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss.

Luke 8:33
When the demons came out of the man, they went into the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and was drowned.

Luke 8:35
and the people went out to see what had happened. When they came to Jesus, they found the man from whom the demons had gone out, sitting at Jesus' feet, dressed and in his right mind; and they were afraid.

Are there not many different levels of Schizoid behavior? She seems to be aware of herself and her problems. If she wants to go to church then imho she should be encouraged to go. Im not a proffesional and I dont know how many posting on this forum are but I gave my two-cents in a good way just trying to help.

There are a few types of schizophrenia. I agree that she should go to church if she wants to go.

It's not considered to be a behavior, btw.

Yes, you should be okay to go to church on your meds.

Are the meds giving you a flat affect or any problems?


Thanks, yeah I can tell you know about the sz.

I have flat affect yes, but also lack of emotion or ability to really
engage and feel connected, sometimes poverty of speech.

I'd like the church attendance again for fellowship and worship and the teachings, I am very isolated.

As far as a personal relationship with the savior, I'm not sure if I'm able to do that with thinking I'm talking to myself in delusions and voices again.

I can try, though. It scares me.

i can see the dilemma here. perhaps church wouldnt be the best answer...and i wonder if it affects you differntly to just pray. and if it causes exacerbation in your illness....i probably wouldnt do it.

i would stay on my meds also.

have you looked for fellowship in support groups?? I know nowadays there are some support groups online. and this could be helpful in learning how to succesfully socialize with others.

I think i would try to find a way to keep myself in touch with reality. and perhaps going to church frequently might not be the best answer....but talking with somebody that understands your mental illness.

Yes, you should be okay to go to church on your meds.

Are the meds giving you a flat affect or any problems?


Thanks, yeah I can tell you know about the sz.

I have flat affect yes, but also lack of emotion or ability to really
engage and feel connected, sometimes poverty of speech.

I'd like the church attendance again for fellowship and worship and the teachings, I am very isolated.

As far as a personal relationship with the savior, I'm not sure if I'm able to do that with thinking I'm talking to myself in delusions and voices again.

I can try, though. It scares me.




Your flat affect doesn't show in your photo. Is it possible that you see it as worse then it is? Those seem like normal side affects for the meds.

Can somebody that you trust accompany you to church?

Did you read the scriptures this is not anything new to Christ.....Ask him to cast the voices out....I look at it this way......If you ask and you receive then what an awesome thing. There is one that satan or satan's cronies as no power over and that is Christ. If you ask in the name of Christ to be healed......then it shall be.


Dear Lord I anoint you and thank you for all that you do in my life and here on mingle. Lord I ask in your Mighty name to cast the demons out of Wallace. For through you Lord God all things are possible. satan you have no control over her anymore....do you hear me. I cast you back to the pits of hell where you belong...No more with Wallace. Lord I ask that you bring peace to Wallac's mind, I ask total healing from the top of her head to the tips of her toes....I ask Lord God in Your Mighty Precious name. AMEN


And AMEN






Yes, you should be okay to go to church on your meds.

Are the meds giving you a flat affect or any problems?


Thanks, yeah I can tell you know about the sz.

I have flat affect yes, but also lack of emotion or ability to really
engage and feel connected, sometimes poverty of speech.

I'd like the church attendance again for fellowship and worship and the teachings, I am very isolated.

As far as a personal relationship with the savior, I'm not sure if I'm able to do that with thinking I'm talking to myself in delusions and voices again.

I can try, though. It scares me.

thanks, yeah, it is from the meds...it keeps me from having an inner voice, its really hard to pray.

I have a male friend who I want to start going to church with, plus I'd go with my kids, or maybe even my mother, but I'd like to go out of town cuz I like to be anonymous.

That sounds like a good idea.

If it is difficult to pray, maybe give yourself permission to not pray. Maybe just sitting there and listening to the singing will help you feel better and feel closer to God. It will be nice to see the people too.

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thanks you guys!

If you go this Sunday, I wish you the best. Please let me how how it goes, if you go.

I've seen this help some people. Have something to hold in your hands. It's relaxing. Even a small handkerchief will help.

Here in Pennsylvania the State is closing down the partial hospital programs, because they are based on the medical model, and re-instituting new liscensure based on the recovery model. There is no definitive proof that brain neurobiology is directly related to mental illness. Besides no one mentioned the word "cure", it is recovery model similar to D&A recovery. You are behind the times and the eight ball. If the medical model worked, this movement would not be gaining so much momentum. Read the literature.

There are several schools of thought regarding schizophrenia.
You're right, there is not 100% proof regarding the neurobiology. There is no consensus to the cause that I have seen.

I am not behind on the times regarding this. The VA hospital here does not follow it. The public center that I've worked at does not follow it either. They do, however, try different methods with each patient.

Most notably, if you want to discuss full remission, the work of Dr. Clancy McKenzie whose model is infancy PTSD. He is working on a larger study based on his success with many many case studies and he is big in Europe (I, by the way, am big in Japan- Tom Waits reference). The single most difficult thing he does is ... wait for it... remove any and all contact with the parents for extended period so time. Interesting Yes/No? I think next he try it with spouses. LOL

TBrich, you are very kind to offer your insights, especially with Mary Ellen Copeland, I did look over her site...you know there are many different forms of healing, some say, manual labor can bring you brain benefits with repetition and release and others say that you need to be in a position to heal yourself such as giving up addictions and what other vices keep you from reaching your full potential as a person.
There is something seriously called electromagnetics that
effect the overall state of mind, and mine is under attack with
direct energy. I would like to think that I can begin healing
once the hold over me is stopped, so, I will keep this in mind. The body is electric and there are mis-firings like mine
that happen and can only be aided by strong medication. I will
stick to the medication, and try to engage in uplifting activities such as worship in church and hopefully it will
give a general glossing to the effect of medication.

i hope you do stay on your medication. Only when you are ready and with the help of your support team should you consider tapering off. I want you to not give up hope on yourself and those resources should help you and hope you find what helps you the most. You are a precious gift of god.