there are many maps and descriptions extent from many
sources. it really can't be reasonably argued that one
of the most well known well documented (famous even)
countries in antiquity didn't exist prior to 1948.
Certainly Israel was well documented by the time of the
Egyptian, Roman, Syrian empires...egads.

sheesh. such argument is only (very lame) polemic.

give my ex a call...she's an Orthodox Jew...I spent many a Jewish holiday...( 25 years )...learning and listening about their past...it's absolutely appalling what they've gone through as a people...they've had enough !!...

Well here is what one orthodox Jew is saying: I plan on looking more but thought I would post what I just read. Found here http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Statements/20080123.cfm

Zionist Massacre in Gaza
January 2008
Neturei Karta is always committed to voice the traditional Religious Jewish opposition to the philosophy of Zionism and the existence of the state of "Israel".

According to the Torah teachings, Jews are in exile by divine decree. They are forbidden to leave exile and create their own state by physical means. Secondly, Jewish law forbids Jews to rebel against any other nations. Jews are required to be loyal citizens in the countries in which they reside. Hence, the state of "Israel" is forbidden.

The creation of the state of "Israel" transgresses these and other basic principles of Torah law. It was established on the land of others, totally against the will of its indigenous population, the Palestinian people, with endless and continuous oppression of its people, including murder, brutal beating, confiscation of their properties and baseless imprisonment etc.

Therefore religious Jewish leaders have always and continually oppose Zionism and the state of Israel. They predicted that only tragedy and bloodshed will be its result, G-d should protect us.

The state of "Israel" has no right to rule over any part of the Holy Land. The entire land should be restored to the indigenous Palestinian people, with the Almighty's help, peacefully.

In reference to the current tragic situation in Gaza, Neturei Karta in Jerusalem issued several documents to clarify the religious Torah position against the crimes committed by the state of "Israel" and to express that the state of "Israel" should not exist and does not represent the traditional Jewish community.

(Read letter to Honorable Doctor Mamoud Al-Zahar from Neturei

You know..I can understand why some religious fundamentalists have trouble grasping the history of the state of Israel.

After all this makes sense to them.

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This walk through history is the centerpiece of the Creation Museum and features amazing scientific and biblical answers for the world we live in today.

This one-way, self-guided tour begins at the Canyon Entrance as you enjoy viewing a dinosaur excavation! Everyone has the same facts, but we don’t all have the same starting points. Using the Bible as your starting point, prepare to travel back 6,000 years to the dawn of creation as you enjoy the Six Days Theater. Witness the true time line of the universe unfold through the 7 C’s of History. The final three C’s of Christ, Cross, and Consummation provide a powerful finale to our centerpiece in the Last Adam Theater—illuminating God’s redemptive plan throughout history.

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Maybe because his eyes were opened to the truth. You know? Those darn facts just seem to get in the way.

I used to live over there

Me too

I agree...It makes me ashamed to be British

On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attacks would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: "It's very good…….Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)"

White, 2000 Chevrolet van with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals. (9)

When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious "middle-easterners" were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!
According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:


"We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." (10)

Why did he feel that Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD?


http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html?q=fiveisraelis.html

Uh...if their own govt. took care of their people instead of oppressing them, then it would be their own militaries that would be doing the fighting...not civilians with bombs slapped on them. Yu think????? DUH!!!!!

That's the problem with third world countries...there is no accountability. Giving them control is like putting the physcos in charge of the atomic bomb.

don't feel too bad it wasn't the Brit's fault

http://www.science.co.il/Israel-history.asp

That appears to be one side of the story, or a version, don't know yet. I don't know what the problem is with getting both sides. Still searching. It still takes two to tango...

Those are a series of maps depicting the area at different points in time!
None from this century or any time in the recent past!
Maybe from the bible times!

Your comment makes no sense!
Your lack of knowledge on this matter is extreme!

Map A-Some of the text on the map says Plan of Jerusalem under King David and Solomon! No Date but Id say about 1000 BC!
Map B says Palestine under the later Kings (953-722, BC)
Map C says Dominions of David and Solomon (1025-953, BC)
Map D says Palestine under Joshua and the Judges! (1250-1125, BC)

These maps were more than likely taken from a religious perspective to try and show the divisions that occurred after the Exodus! Guesses at best!

Before the Romans defeated them during the Bar Kokhba revolt and at Masada. The survivors then migrated to Europe untill the Zionist movement!

The maps came from Shephards Historical Atlas; printed in 1926

It makes no sense only to the senseless.

My point is that if the govts. were truly free that their people could prosper & live in peace & freedoms like we enjoy, there would be no need for people to slap bombs on their bodies like a rag tag peasant.

The only thing barbaristic people have right now is their thirst for bloodshed...other people's that is. Terrorists don't care who they target as long as they get recognition.

In other words...THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE!

You are out of touch with historical facts and reality!

And we are with out excuse when we only read one part of the story.