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Topic: Dr. Paul's latest
warmachine's photo
Tue 12/30/08 07:05 AM
As another year draws to a close, there are some important transitions ahead of us. Not just transitions to a new administration, but also economically, politically and culturally.

Many hoped that the changes would signify overwhelming positive steps for our country, and that we would enter a new era, as promised during the campaign. I would like for this to be true, but based on the continuity so far, I would not be surprised to see America stay on the same course of failed monetary and economic policies. The course has been set for several decades, and in reality there is little the new administration could do to fix things without actually making them worse. But I expect them to try. The only real solutions involve allowing the market to liquidate the debt and malinvestment. The political reality is that this is not going to happen.

Through the coming months and years, our nation will find itself at many crossroads, as all manner of socialist, corporatist, protectionist and nationalist initiatives will be thrown at the economy to see if anything will reflate it. Some of these so-called fixes will be enacted amidst much outcry, as with the $700 billion TARP bailout, which the public was right to oppose. About half of that money is gone without a trace, with no accountability, and the economy is no better off for it. Others, such as the proposed new $800 billion plus economic stimulus the new administration is already clamoring for, might have limited public support, as many will find the prospect of receiving a government check a little too tempting to object to. After all, Wall Street got a bailout. What about the little guy? Everything will be attempted by government in the short run to remedy the worsening situation – everything, that is, but freedom. Therefore everything attempted will fail. Unfortunately, government will continue to consolidate and abuse power at an accelerated pace. Government will get bigger, in the short term, and as monetary policy goes from irresponsible to absurd, I have every expectation that we will soon shift from some prices falling to an inflationary nightmare.

But there is hope. As all these attempts fail, more people will demand freedom, and see that it is the only way. Government can only get so big before the country goes broke.

It is regrettable that we keep forgetting what history has shown over and over to be true, because truly, it is a hard and destructive lesson to keep learning. Perhaps it is just something that every generation has to learn for itself. The political and cultural changes that come from these economic transitions will be key to the direction and quality of life for future generations. But I am hopeful because of the strength of the American people and the increased number of voices recognizing that liberty really is the only way to peace and prosperity.

http://www.house.gov/htbin/blog_inc?BLOG,tx14_paul,blog,999,All,Item%20not%20found,ID=081229_2583,TEMPLATE=postingdetail.shtml

warmachine's photo
Tue 12/30/08 07:07 AM
Ron Paul Changes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPp-lJDb10U&eurl=http://www.campaignforliberty.com/&feature=player_embedded

Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 12/30/08 11:58 PM
im listening brodrinker drinker drinker

Fanta46's photo
Wed 12/31/08 08:47 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Wed 12/31/08 08:48 AM
laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

The ever cynical Ron Paulfrustrated
He never has anything good to say and no real solutions.

He is consistently rejected by 98% of the population!frustrated

Fanta46's photo
Wed 12/31/08 08:56 AM
Now the question arises.
Are Paul and the 2% who support him correct and the other 98% of us crazy and ignorant?
Or, are the 98% correct in thinking Paul is crazy?

:wink: laugh

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Wed 12/31/08 10:00 AM
What? Life isn't depressing enough for you guys.

Can't we at least wait till the guy is in office before starting a campaign to find someone else?

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 12/31/08 10:16 AM

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

The ever cynical Ron Paulfrustrated
He never has anything good to say and no real solutions.

He is consistently rejected by 98% of the population!frustrated


I am surprised fanta.... Have you ever listened to Dr. Paul? I can't think of a single person that could actually form a viable agrument against most of what he says. He has an honest, consisten voting record and has never taken bribe...

What's funny is that Ron Paul actually had very specific ideas that mapped out our problems with real solutions while siting most of his sources. Obama on the other hand offered hardly a single idea. He is all talk without any backing at all. Obama voted to reinstate the patriot act, and promoted the lates bailout which will in fact hurt us much more in the long run. Not to mention he is continuing talks with Canada and Mexico on pretty much joining the 3 countries in every way.

I would have loved to see those two have a debate.

No matter how hard i try, i fail to see the failier in Dr. Paul's logic. This is why his popularity is growing...

Just because the media doesn't back him doesn't mean he isn't worth listening to. He did bring up our current financial crisis during the republican primaries well over a year ago... And to most of congress, it took us by such surprise...

His message is simple... We as Americans really need to revisit what the role of our government ought to be.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 12/31/08 10:23 AM

Now the question arises.
Are Paul and the 2% who support him correct and the other 98% of us crazy and ignorant?
Or, are the 98% correct in thinking Paul is crazy?

:wink: laugh


There is a critical thinking fallacy that happens when you allign your beliefs with that of the popular beliefs simply because they are popular.

You have always been known for your research my brother. Truth is, Dr. Paul managed to call out almost every major event economically years in advance.

Can you think of an area where his logic falters? I'm sure there are at least some...

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 12/31/08 10:29 AM

What? Life isn't depressing enough for you guys.

Can't we at least wait till the guy is in office before starting a campaign to find someone else?


So we just ignore what his actions are before he get's into office? These are important. We need to pay attention. We made the mistake of complacency during the Bush administration. This is no time to be complacent.

So far we see Obama as pro gun control (which i personally disagree with), and we see that he supports the patriot act (bad news), and we see that he promoted the economic stabalization act, which many economists agree that is a very, very bad idea and probably one of the most crooked acts of our time. Like Bush, he isn't all bad. But the fact that he basicaly is reinstating the old clinton administration tells me that he lied to us about "change". Hopefully he lied to us about his healthcare plan too...:wink:

Just pay attention is all im suggesting. There is much corruption to be seen. This is an excellent time to take notes.


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Wed 12/31/08 10:56 AM

So we just ignore what his actions are before he get's into office?


No I am not suggesting that at all. But he is not the president yet. I am not complacent at all, never was, and there are things I don't like myself, but I never was under the illusion that any president would satisfy all the things I want either.

So I agree, that we should take notes and I will be.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 12/31/08 11:13 AM


So we just ignore what his actions are before he get's into office?


No I am not suggesting that at all. But he is not the president yet. I am not complacent at all, never was, and there are things I don't like myself, but I never was under the illusion that any president would satisfy all the things I want either.

So I agree, that we should take notes and I will be.


Good show my frienddrinker drinker

I do understand people shouldn't blame him for the presidents decisions until he gets in office as well, so i guess i wasn't entirely disagreeing with you...

Fanta46's photo
Wed 12/31/08 11:29 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Wed 12/31/08 11:30 PM


Now the question arises.
Are Paul and the 2% who support him correct and the other 98% of us crazy and ignorant?
Or, are the 98% correct in thinking Paul is crazy?

:wink: laugh


There is a critical thinking fallacy that happens when you allign your beliefs with that of the popular beliefs simply because they are popular.

You have always been known for your research my brother. Truth is, Dr. Paul managed to call out almost every major event economically years in advance.

Can you think of an area where his logic falters? I'm sure there are at least some...


I researched Paul years ago, as I do any political candidate.
During debates or when sitting on a committee asking questions. He never waits for an answer and his questions arent really questions at all. He spends the time allotted to him making his points so as not to allow an answer or rebuttal. He is more concerned with cynicism that debate.
He wants to disband the Federal reserve. A subject he isnt even qualified to give an opinion.
He wants to disband the Department of education. WTF!!!
He wants to disband almost every single Gov agency that exists. He isnt qualified to be a Senator at all in my opinion, but he isnt from my state so I dont get a vote.
The one area he s educated for, a DR., he hasn't even practiced in 20 or 30 years. So I doubt hes qualified for that either anymore!!
Ron Paul is an extremist candidate and it shows at the polls every time he runs for President whatever party name he runs under.
The best thing about him in my opinion is hes gotten too old to run anymore so now I dont have to hear his Rhetoric any longer!

warmachine's photo
Thu 01/01/09 02:36 AM



Now the question arises.
Are Paul and the 2% who support him correct and the other 98% of us crazy and ignorant?
Or, are the 98% correct in thinking Paul is crazy?

:wink: laugh


There is a critical thinking fallacy that happens when you allign your beliefs with that of the popular beliefs simply because they are popular.

You have always been known for your research my brother. Truth is, Dr. Paul managed to call out almost every major event economically years in advance.

Can you think of an area where his logic falters? I'm sure there are at least some...


I researched Paul years ago, as I do any political candidate.
During debates or when sitting on a committee asking questions. He never waits for an answer and his questions arent really questions at all. He spends the time allotted to him making his points so as not to allow an answer or rebuttal. He is more concerned with cynicism that debate.
He wants to disband the Federal reserve. A subject he isnt even qualified to give an opinion.
He wants to disband the Department of education. WTF!!!
He wants to disband almost every single Gov agency that exists. He isnt qualified to be a Senator at all in my opinion, but he isnt from my state so I dont get a vote.
The one area he s educated for, a DR., he hasn't even practiced in 20 or 30 years. So I doubt hes qualified for that either anymore!!
Ron Paul is an extremist candidate and it shows at the polls every time he runs for President whatever party name he runs under.
The best thing about him in my opinion is hes gotten too old to run anymore so now I dont have to hear his Rhetoric any longer!


During Debates, he got to speak an average of 4 minutes, except the ones where he wasn't even invited, so tell me where you've seen the Dr. interupting other candidates during debates?

Most of the time the Dr. knows better than to expect a real answer, so he makes his statement,so that the cause of liberty has a voice on the Congressional record. His repeated spanking of Ben Bernake has been priceless, especially these days, with the dollar being printed directly onto toilet rolls.
Cynicism is healthy, especially when dealing with a bunch of crooked liars, who have shown nothing to this Citizenry but untruthfulness and criminality. Should Dr. Paul or anyone else for that matter suspend disbelief everytime a Paulson gets on camera? As a longterm student of Austrian economics, Dr.Paul is more than qualified to discuss disbanding the fed, I would bet my life savings he could debate circles around Obama,McCain, Biden and Palin all at the same time when it comes to the dangers of a Central bank.

You're right, he has talked about disbanding the Dept of Ed. Why shouldn't we? Tell me what the Federal controlled school system has done better than a private or a home school? Yet, you see the Federal gov. doing their best to make these other options harder and harder to come by, you know, because you gotta control the way people think, if you can get them young, all the better.

He does not want to disband almost every single Gov. agency, just the ones that are uber expensive, unauthorized by the Constitution and not actually doing anything more than eating money... then again, maybe he does want to eliminate almost all Government agencies... which brings me to this, if you had researched Dr.Paul as well as you stated you had, then you would know that Ron Paul isn't a Senator, he's a Congressman and he's so well liked in his area that the Dems don't even bother to run against him there.

What you call rhetoric is in fact the Dr. showing a list of solutions, difficult the maybe, to problems that persisted because the "Mainstream" is benefitting from the problems being around into infinite.


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Thu 01/01/09 12:00 PM
I just read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

On positions of Ron Paul and other than his views on foreign policy I don't much like his other social views. He isn't much different from the conservatives as far as religion and imparticular christianity goes, and choice for women, and of course I can not agree with his views on homosexuality, period. And why would I, it's my life not his. He seems to assume that as long as you take care of the old antiquated majority view, too bad for those that don't follow in lock step.

I am convinced that no president is going to give all of us what we want, and I personally don't believe that the majority is always right either. I don't believe that Obama is a savior in any sense, and I will watch him with a critical eye as I do other presidents evem though I voted for him.

But Ron Paul isn't someone I would vote for. He's status quo in too many ways for me.

Of course if you are one of the majority in this country, I can see why you might find his views compatible. There might be other things I agree with him on but he has already turned me off...

If you think I am missing something feel free to enlighten me. :smile:

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Thu 01/01/09 12:05 PM
Tell me what the Federal controlled school system has done better than a private or a home school? Yet, you see the Federal gov. doing their best to make these other options harder and harder to come by, you know, because you gotta control the way people think, if you can get them young, all the better.,,,,,,,,,,,,


Does anyone thing that private schools don't want control of the way people think? And that they themselves take advantage of youth to indoctrinated?

Did I miss something here?

Fanta46's photo
Thu 01/01/09 12:12 PM
Like I said,
The best things about Ron Paul are,
I dont have to hear about him running for President again, very few took him serious enough to worry about, and no one, I mean no one, has picked him for an economic advisor!

Drivinmenutz's photo
Thu 01/01/09 01:13 PM

Like I said,
The best things about Ron Paul are,
I dont have to hear about him running for President again, very few took him serious enough to worry about, and no one, I mean no one, has picked him for an economic advisor!


Too bad no one has. If we did, we would be ahead of the curve and this latest crisis never would have happened. People that ignore him are rather foolish as he predicted this last financial crisis years ago. Unfortunately Obama doesn't have a leg to stand on, as this came as a "surprise" to him, McCain, and the rest of congress.

His ideas oncutting back government organizations is brilliant and just about word for word what our forefathers intended for this nation.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
-Thomas Jefferson

That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves.
-Thomas Jefferson

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
-Thomas Jefferson

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.

-Benjamin Franklin

When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

-Benjamin Franklin

This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins.

-Benjamin Franklin

I won't get started on others from George Washington, Thomas Paine, or George Mason on this subject.

Dr. Paul is pretty much the only candidate i have seen that truely believes in our constitution. Every oneof Dr. Pauls philosophies supports this.

Obama merely says he does, while in the same sentence also mentions that local governments should beable to override such things.

Dr. Paul is right on the money on our foriegn policy as well. He is the only republican candidate, and one of the few candidates overall that believes this needs to be addressed. He believes our country should practice independence unlike the new cabinate that signed in a declaration of interdependence back in the 90's (i think).

Just looking at how on the money he is about the outcomes of policies we've adopted i think we should start listening to him.

And BTW directed to everyone in general...

I've read up on him quite a bit and i don't see a single policy that degrades women's rights in any way as well as his views on homosexuality. He was very careful to mention that his views are HIS views and his policies are fair giving people the right to choose. If i am mistaken please show me where because i haven't found it...

Fanta46's photo
Thu 01/01/09 01:19 PM
A lot of quotes from great men who unfortunately are dead and never could have imagined the trials we are faced with today!
Obama will succeed and will go down in the history books matching great deeds with all the men you quote!

Drivinmenutz's photo
Thu 01/01/09 01:19 PM

I just read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

On positions of Ron Paul and other than his views on foreign policy I don't much like his other social views. He isn't much different from the conservatives as far as religion and imparticular christianity goes, and choice for women, and of course I can not agree with his views on homosexuality, period. And why would I, it's my life not his. He seems to assume that as long as you take care of the old antiquated majority view, too bad for those that don't follow in lock step.

I am convinced that no president is going to give all of us what we want, and I personally don't believe that the majority is always right either. I don't believe that Obama is a savior in any sense, and I will watch him with a critical eye as I do other presidents evem though I voted for him.

But Ron Paul isn't someone I would vote for. He's status quo in too many ways for me.

Of course if you are one of the majority in this country, I can see why you might find his views compatible. There might be other things I agree with him on but he has already turned me off...

If you think I am missing something feel free to enlighten me. :smile:


Interesting how you say he is the "status quo" when he is the least "status quo" person i have seen or heard about...

He wants a different foreign policy of nonintervention.

He wants to do away with expensive government programs that are against our constitution and are doing more harm than good.

He actually addresses our economic issues, unlike just about every other candidate.

He is one of the few that are actually serious about border security.

So far he's one of the few that offers any "change" whatsoever...

If there is something i have missed please let me know as i've followed him eagerly since i heard a few of his speeches in the primaries...

Drivinmenutz's photo
Thu 01/01/09 01:23 PM

A lot of quotes from great men who unfortunately are dead and never could have imagined the trials we are faced with today!
Obama will succeed and will go down in the history books matching great deeds with all the men you quote!


HOW though, he offers NOTHING different than what we have seen. I know how much you liked the Clinton administration (i am being sarcastic), and the first thing Obama does is reappoint the old Clinton Administration and the Bush administration. Yes, he's off to a great start...

I think our forefathers would turn in their grave if they knew we were voting such people into office...

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