No offence. I do not view drinking as a disease. When a bill doesn't get paid...that is a choice. When a voice or a hand is raised in anger...that is a choice. When a loved one or a friend is neglected...that is a choice.

When someone does these things and blames another element of thier life...that is lack of self-control and a weak @ssed cop-out.

Our American culture (which I am a big fan of)..encourages us to have excuses for failures in our lives so as to not actually hold one's self personally accountable for the things we fail to do.

Alcoholism is as much a disease as lazyness (depression), having a wild child (media calls it A.D.D....I call it a lack of discipline) or Rage Syndrome (flat out just being a d!ck)

Plenty of you won't agree with me..and that is fine...Viva le Differe'nce..

I will just continue to try to be a good soul...that is the best I can do.

I will say this. I would rather date a drinker than a "Recovering Alcoholic"...a drinker is just being themselves...a "Recovering Alcoholic" already has an excuse for doing you wrong.

Excuse Me????

A recovering Alcoholic takes responsibilty for all their actions. I don't duck and hide behind my 'disease'. When I drank and used I had a excuse for why everything went wrong in my life, and it wasn't me.
What 'wrong doing' do you presume am I supposed to blame on my disease???

it is a disease..look it up

I already am.

<-------Takes full responsibility for all his actions and makes no excuses.

I am not an alcoholic! :(

<---- addiction(s) are not substance, but takes full responsibility for all her actions, makes no excuses, and realizes that it is dis-ease.

I lived in a ex b/f's alcholic world for 6 yrs. will not ever go there again!

High Five Live Life! The man understands!

Calm down Michigan man....I wasn't blaming you for anything.

I was simply referring to my own personal past experience with people who blamed a lack of self control but called it a disease.

Encephilitis is a disease.
Gonorreah..is a disease.
Leprosy is a disease.

Not being in control of one's self ain't.

Nope.

I don't drink very often, and I don't want someone who will wind up thinking I am boring just because I don't wanna go get trashed.

Krupa, this would probably be the first time I have flat out had to disagree with something you have said.

Alcoholism is, indeed, a disease. Some are more prone to it than others.

Depression ( which you equated with just being lazy ) is also a disease in some cases. It's caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. Some depression is strictly situational, but a lot of cases are caused by that imbalance.

I would not start a relationship nor could I date a practicing alcoholic, too many mood swings and unpredictable. Now if the person I dated turned into one it would be my duty to try to help as much as I could, but could not continue the relationship if they continued to drink

, That is something to be proud of.

While I may not completely agree Krupa, I do understand where he is coming from. I think that some of diseases he listed are over-diagnosed. I've seen it often, especially with ADD and ADHD in kids.

I also understand the chemical imbalances in the brain and why things like alchoholism and depression are diseases. They are not labeled as diseases an excuse to contiue are actions, but rather as a reminder to always be aware of our actions to keeps from falling back into that pattern that creates the imbalance.


I would date a drinker.
I would date a recovering alcoholic.
I would not date a drunk.

I'm sure most of us wish we could do the same things others can and not get hooked; but for some of us, depending on genetics, biology, circumstances, and the environment we were raised in, doing the same could lead to devastation and/or ultimately, death - despite all the attempts at "will power" in the world. For many of us, it is not a reflection of character or a moral issue.

, That is something to be proud of.

yes as long as he realizes he has a problem

What is that suppose to mean?