Previous 1 3 4 5
Topic: Christians...
RobWill's photo
Wed 12/17/08 03:34 PM
...two questions.

1: Dinosaurs. ?

2: God is omnipotent. He created free will. But by definition he is everywhere all the time, and therefore exists in the future right now...what's the point in His guidance in our choices if he knows what we're going to do already? In fact, doesn't this make free will...a lie?
In which case, doesn't this make all our lives on earth before we go off into the nicely black and white heaven and hell a sort of sick side show that must get pretty boring knowing exactly what we're going to do all the time?

Winx's photo
Wed 12/17/08 03:41 PM
1. Yes, there were dinosaurs.

2. Yes, we have free will.

Abracadabra's photo
Wed 12/17/08 05:22 PM

But by definition he is everywhere all the time, and therefore exists in the future right now...


Exists in the future right now?

That's an interesting statement. laugh

If the future exists right now, it wouldn't be in the future, it would be in the now.

It's a farce to believe that there is a surpreme consciousness that knows what the "future" holds.

Did you get this idea from some particular mythology? huh


no photo
Wed 12/17/08 08:25 PM

...two questions.

1: Dinosaurs. ?

2: God is omnipotent. He created free will. But by definition he is everywhere all the time, and therefore exists in the future right now...what's the point in His guidance in our choices if he knows what we're going to do already? In fact, doesn't this make free will...a lie?
In which case, doesn't this make all our lives on earth before we go off into the nicely black and white heaven and hell a sort of sick side show that must get pretty boring knowing exactly what we're going to do all the time?



1.) The dinosaurs, I understand are all dead unless some of them escaped into the inner earth and evolved into reptilian humanoids.

2.) a. God does not exist "in the future" because time does not actually exist. The only thing that exists is HERE AND NOW.

b. "Free will" was not created. The "will" is the power to direct the self and is always and innately "free." It is neither given or taken away or created.

c. The "free will" of conscious individuals is the randomness that disrupts any kind of predicable actions or events. "God" does not know what anyone will decide to do, therefore this reality is anything but boring.



Seamonster's photo
Wed 12/17/08 08:32 PM

...two questions.

1: Dinosaurs. ?

2: God is omnipotent. He created free will. But by definition he is everywhere all the time, and therefore exists in the future right now...what's the point in His guidance in our choices if he knows what we're going to do already? In fact, doesn't this make free will...a lie?
In which case, doesn't this make all our lives on earth before we go off into the nicely black and white heaven and hell a sort of sick side show that must get pretty boring knowing exactly what we're going to do all the time?


1. for alot of your fundies that think the earth is only 6,000 yrs. old then Dinosaurs either are a mystery, did not realy exist, or they roamed the earth with man. And it does not matter to them if we can prove all of them false. Alot of your more thinking christians understand and except evolution.

2. Yes if there is a god and he knows all then there can not be a free will it is predestination.
So there is ethier a free will or an all knowing god you can not have both.

no photo
Wed 12/17/08 09:19 PM
So there is ethier a free will or an all knowing god you can not have both.



I'll take the free will please. :banana: (Don't tell God.)bigsmile

no photo
Wed 12/17/08 09:28 PM

...two questions.

1: Dinosaurs. ?

2: God is omnipotent. He created free will. But by definition he is everywhere all the time, and therefore exists in the future right now...what's the point in His guidance in our choices if he knows what we're going to do already? In fact, doesn't this make free will...a lie?
In which case, doesn't this make all our lives on earth before we go off into the nicely black and white heaven and hell a sort of sick side show that must get pretty boring knowing exactly what we're going to do all the time?


all i have to say about dinosaurs nobody said we where gods first try just his fave
his guidance has nothing to do with free will because we ahve to chose to ask for it

Seamonster's photo
Thu 12/18/08 08:24 AM
Edited by Seamonster on Thu 12/18/08 08:26 AM


...two questions.

1: Dinosaurs. ?

2: God is omnipotent. He created free will. But by definition he is everywhere all the time, and therefore exists in the future right now...what's the point in His guidance in our choices if he knows what we're going to do already? In fact, doesn't this make free will...a lie?
In which case, doesn't this make all our lives on earth before we go off into the nicely black and white heaven and hell a sort of sick side show that must get pretty boring knowing exactly what we're going to do all the time?


all i have to say about dinosaurs nobody said we where gods first try just his fave
his guidance has nothing to do with free will because we ahve to chose to ask for it


ok then who's image did he make the diosaurs after?
And if it's done by trial and error then he's not a very good god.

But then he did screw up the works once already and had to kill evry man woman and child on the planet for being bad.
Even the babies were sinning so much he had to drown and kill them.
Yes, a loving god that one.

no photo
Thu 12/18/08 08:58 AM
man wrote the bible so u get there version

Winx's photo
Thu 12/18/08 09:18 AM



...two questions.

1: Dinosaurs. ?

2: God is omnipotent. He created free will. But by definition he is everywhere all the time, and therefore exists in the future right now...what's the point in His guidance in our choices if he knows what we're going to do already? In fact, doesn't this make free will...a lie?
In which case, doesn't this make all our lives on earth before we go off into the nicely black and white heaven and hell a sort of sick side show that must get pretty boring knowing exactly what we're going to do all the time?


all i have to say about dinosaurs nobody said we where gods first try just his fave
his guidance has nothing to do with free will because we ahve to chose to ask for it


ok then who's image did he make the diosaurs after?
And if it's done by trial and error then he's not a very good god.

But then he did screw up the works once already and had to kill evry man woman and child on the planet for being bad.
Even the babies were sinning so much he had to drown and kill them.
Yes, a loving god that one.


Every woman and child?

no photo
Thu 12/18/08 09:27 AM


But by definition he is everywhere all the time, and therefore exists in the future right now...


Exists in the future right now?

That's an interesting statement. laugh

If the future exists right now, it wouldn't be in the future, it would be in the now.

It's a farce to believe that there is a surpreme consciousness that knows what the "future" holds.

Did you get this idea from some particular mythology? huh





"...for us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one."

--Albert Einstein


The universe is a four dimensional object. The only reason we believe a past, present or future exists is because we cannot move at will through the fourth dimension. Those who understand that the universe is four dimensional realize that the past, present and future are points plotted in a four dimensional matrix, with past, present and future being relative to the observer.

If you are going to pretend to have been a physics professor, then you should brush up on your physics.

no photo
Thu 12/18/08 09:35 AM

...two questions.

1: Dinosaurs. ?

2: God is omnipotent. He created free will. But by definition he is everywhere all the time, and therefore exists in the future right now...what's the point in His guidance in our choices if he knows what we're going to do already? In fact, doesn't this make free will...a lie?
In which case, doesn't this make all our lives on earth before we go off into the nicely black and white heaven and hell a sort of sick side show that must get pretty boring knowing exactly what we're going to do all the time?


1. That's not a question.

2. Your question is based on a misunderstanding. God's guidance in no way amounts to a violation of our free will. If someone encouraged you to buy a Sony TV, but you bought RCA instead, your free will hasn't been changed. God encourages us to do the right thing through our conscience, but we have the ability to do as we will regardless of God's wishes. As far as why God tries to guide us despite his knowledge of the future, that is also a question created due to your misunderstanding. You are close, but you need to make a couple steps. Think about this: When God created the universe, his process of interacting with the universe was complete. Our dimension of time only exists in our universe, so when God finished creation, the universe had a beginning, middle and end. God's actions were included in the universe as part of the design. It's a hard concept to get your mind around, but you have to remember that time doesn't apply to God unless God wants it to. So while God's actions with Moses happened after Moses was 40 years old, from God's perspective those actions were done simultaneous to the creation of the universe. Jesus is called "The lamb slain from the foundation of the earth." in the New Testament. This confirms a four dimensional understanding of the creation of the universe, because what that verse is saying is that Jesus' crucifixion happened at the same time at the creation of the earth from the perspective of an observer outside of our dimension of time.

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 12/18/08 10:25 AM


flowerforyou Jesus created the dinosaurs and he loves them too.flowerforyou

Seamonster's photo
Thu 12/18/08 10:32 AM




...two questions.

1: Dinosaurs. ?

2: God is omnipotent. He created free will. But by definition he is everywhere all the time, and therefore exists in the future right now...what's the point in His guidance in our choices if he knows what we're going to do already? In fact, doesn't this make free will...a lie?
In which case, doesn't this make all our lives on earth before we go off into the nicely black and white heaven and hell a sort of sick side show that must get pretty boring knowing exactly what we're going to do all the time?


all i have to say about dinosaurs nobody said we where gods first try just his fave
his guidance has nothing to do with free will because we ahve to chose to ask for it


ok then who's image did he make the diosaurs after?
And if it's done by trial and error then he's not a very good god.

But then he did screw up the works once already and had to kill evry man woman and child on the planet for being bad.
Even the babies were sinning so much he had to drown and kill them.
Yes, a loving god that one.


Every woman and child?


man woman and child.

yeah in a big flood.

no photo
Thu 12/18/08 10:33 AM



flowerforyou Jesus created the dinosaurs and he loves them too.flowerforyou


awwwwwwwwwww

Winx's photo
Thu 12/18/08 10:42 AM





...two questions.

1: Dinosaurs. ?

2: God is omnipotent. He created free will. But by definition he is everywhere all the time, and therefore exists in the future right now...what's the point in His guidance in our choices if he knows what we're going to do already? In fact, doesn't this make free will...a lie?
In which case, doesn't this make all our lives on earth before we go off into the nicely black and white heaven and hell a sort of sick side show that must get pretty boring knowing exactly what we're going to do all the time?


all i have to say about dinosaurs nobody said we where gods first try just his fave
his guidance has nothing to do with free will because we ahve to chose to ask for it


ok then who's image did he make the diosaurs after?
And if it's done by trial and error then he's not a very good god.

But then he did screw up the works once already and had to kill evry man woman and child on the planet for being bad.
Even the babies were sinning so much he had to drown and kill them.
Yes, a loving god that one.


Every woman and child?


man woman and child.

yeah in a big flood.


Did you forget about Noah and his family?:wink:

Seamonster's photo
Thu 12/18/08 10:49 AM






...two questions.

1: Dinosaurs. ?

2: God is omnipotent. He created free will. But by definition he is everywhere all the time, and therefore exists in the future right now...what's the point in His guidance in our choices if he knows what we're going to do already? In fact, doesn't this make free will...a lie?
In which case, doesn't this make all our lives on earth before we go off into the nicely black and white heaven and hell a sort of sick side show that must get pretty boring knowing exactly what we're going to do all the time?


all i have to say about dinosaurs nobody said we where gods first try just his fave
his guidance has nothing to do with free will because we ahve to chose to ask for it


ok then who's image did he make the diosaurs after?
And if it's done by trial and error then he's not a very good god.

But then he did screw up the works once already and had to kill evry man woman and child on the planet for being bad.
Even the babies were sinning so much he had to drown and kill them.
Yes, a loving god that one.


Every woman and child?


man woman and child.

yeah in a big flood.


Did you forget about Noah and his family?:wink:


your right.

Killed every man woman and child baring 1 family.
Again it's a good thing he killed all of those nasty sinning childern that had no way of being forgivin or had no way of being good and those infents also.
glad god killed those off. they were realy bad.

Winx's photo
Thu 12/18/08 11:07 AM
Edited by Winx on Thu 12/18/08 11:08 AM







...two questions.

1: Dinosaurs. ?

2: God is omnipotent. He created free will. But by definition he is everywhere all the time, and therefore exists in the future right now...what's the point in His guidance in our choices if he knows what we're going to do already? In fact, doesn't this make free will...a lie?
In which case, doesn't this make all our lives on earth before we go off into the nicely black and white heaven and hell a sort of sick side show that must get pretty boring knowing exactly what we're going to do all the time?


all i have to say about dinosaurs nobody said we where gods first try just his fave
his guidance has nothing to do with free will because we ahve to chose to ask for it


ok then who's image did he make the diosaurs after?
And if it's done by trial and error then he's not a very good god.

But then he did screw up the works once already and had to kill evry man woman and child on the planet for being bad.
Even the babies were sinning so much he had to drown and kill them.
Yes, a loving god that one.


Every woman and child?


man woman and child.

yeah in a big flood.


Did you forget about Noah and his family?:wink:


your right.

Killed every man woman and child baring 1 family.
Again it's a good thing he killed all of those nasty sinning childern that had no way of being forgivin or had no way of being good and those infents also.
glad god killed those off. they were realy bad.


I wasn't going to go there. There's some heavy stuff like that in the Old Testament. Jesus did denounce the laws of that time period.

I was just going to get you for saying "every" person. Like in that other thread you talked about "every" Christian.:tongue: flowerforyou


Seamonster's photo
Thu 12/18/08 11:25 AM








...two questions.

1: Dinosaurs. ?

2: God is omnipotent. He created free will. But by definition he is everywhere all the time, and therefore exists in the future right now...what's the point in His guidance in our choices if he knows what we're going to do already? In fact, doesn't this make free will...a lie?
In which case, doesn't this make all our lives on earth before we go off into the nicely black and white heaven and hell a sort of sick side show that must get pretty boring knowing exactly what we're going to do all the time?


all i have to say about dinosaurs nobody said we where gods first try just his fave
his guidance has nothing to do with free will because we ahve to chose to ask for it


ok then who's image did he make the diosaurs after?
And if it's done by trial and error then he's not a very good god.

But then he did screw up the works once already and had to kill evry man woman and child on the planet for being bad.
Even the babies were sinning so much he had to drown and kill them.
Yes, a loving god that one.


Every woman and child?


man woman and child.

yeah in a big flood.


Did you forget about Noah and his family?:wink:


your right.

Killed every man woman and child baring 1 family.
Again it's a good thing he killed all of those nasty sinning childern that had no way of being forgivin or had no way of being good and those infents also.
glad god killed those off. they were realy bad.


I wasn't going to go there. There's some heavy stuff like that in the Old Testament. Jesus did denounce the laws of that time period.

I was just going to get you for saying "every" person. Like in that other thread you talked about "every" Christian.:tongue: flowerforyou




lol oh ok then yep your right.flowerforyou

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 12/18/08 12:12 PM

Previous 1 3 4 5