The situation you are in right now is because of the causes you created in past. This is a law of life and it is as strict as law of gravitation. what you guys think???

Ya with every action there is a reaction

I am not only taking about physical action only..It could be a mental one too. for example, when you hate someone in heart but keep a fake smile...your inner enviornment for that person is dirty and one day it will get manifestated externally...when the same person responds to you negatively for no reason.

except that my parents got together with out me ever doing anything.

It is a combination of environmental changes meets personal decisions about how to engage in those environmental facets.

When I say environment in context to this discussion I refer to everything that is not directly controlled by the individual in question.

If a hurricane floods your home and you are forced to leave, chances are you had little or no choice in the matter.

If you hate your boss and get fired because you where acting out . . . well that is apparent.

Where we are at in life is a combination of personal choices meet environmental realities.

The law of gravity does not apply equally to all things..

Who said it is a Law?

You?

Humankind?


Pffffftttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This human experience, and this Now, is as it is supposed to be....it is but one possibilitiy on one plane, in one dimension.

without some egomaniacal Law...

You are absolutely right.

And just look at the fine mess you've gotten yourself into.

Me too.

What is interesting is that gravity is essential to life. whoda thunk it!

And the situation that I am in now is because of the causes that YOU created in my past, if you believe that you, I, and everything else is tied together in any way. Pretty heavy responsibility, but there you go.

read it again.No body said we are tied together. You get the affect of your causes or karma...

The analogy of law of gravitation is just to indicate the strictness.. and u cant see it, just feel it

law becos it has been witnessed in everybody's life..Donot just see superficial..Even Bible says,'what we sow, thus we reep"

egomaniacal law? What do you mean by that?

The law of cause and effect is a law of this reality, this plane, this universe. I think that is what the discussion is about. I don't understand your comment.

The law of the cause is the effect. Whatever that means

So what exactly is this "Law of Cause and Effect"?

"Every cause has an effect and every effect has a cause"???

I think that statement is unnecessarily redundant.

A cause is a cause because it created an effect. If it did not create an effect, it is not a cause.

Likewise, an effect is an effect because it is the result of a cause. If it is not the result of a cause, it is not an effect.

Cause is just as much dependent upon effect as effect is dependent upon cause.

Like the words to the song -"You can't have one without the other".

The laws of attraction is the attraction of the law which is the cause of effect bringing effect to the cause.

Good luck with that one

Thanks for understanding the discussion

Sorry I wasn't clearer. That was an attempt at wry humor, which I keep forgetting doesn't work so damn good on the internets. Or perhaps what a friend of mine insists on is true. That I'm simply not funny. Bastard!

I'm the one that believes that we are tied together, that actions I take now not only have an effect on my future circumstance but, because(there's that cause word again), because I'm not operating in a vacuum, my actions will have an effect on those around me as well. Thing is , I believe that "around me" extends throughout the universe. The stone in the pond deal.

Of course, I'm not omnipotent (though I may think I am at times). That really WOULD be a heavy responsibility. All other prior causes (that's a ****-load of stones), in addition to my "creations" are shaping my current circumstance, which influences my next action , etc.

Note that I said influence rather than determine. I believe that there exists some teensy tiny sliver of reality in which we can make our will manifest and influence future outcomes. I choose to believe this, although the arguments are just as convincing on the other side, for the same reason that C. S. Lewis expressed in one of his books, probably "Mere Christianity." That is, our actions will eternally reverberate so we might want to consider things like ethics and so on and not abdicate our responsibilities to fate. "Sorry teacher, the universe ate my homework."

I know some people think there's a randomness factor thrown in there just to keep things interesting; perhaps it's even been proven. If so, I'm choosing not to believe it, just because I can. I'll have my universe nicely ordered, thank you. And with a side order of bacon.

BTW: Sky seems to be another one of the free-willlers on here. I'm blamin' him for me not getting that pony when I was eleven. Bastard!

I'm with you. The only "random factor" that exists is the "free will" consciousness factor where everything effects everything else in such a complicated and intricate way that it would appear random.

You didn't get that pony because your thinking created more resistance than it did attraction.