While belief is still part of my being, one of its most disturbing elements crept into my life: the conviction that we have been victims of a predetermination never to know each other’s hearts. In short, a singularity theft; a Devine form of Indian-giving, as in "the Lord gives and takes away". One larceny I cannot forgive. Now some would put it down to Satan’s work, if only to ease their conscience.

Bearing this in mind, where do you stand and why do you stand where you do?

Try to think outside the box of biblical translations and tell me what makes you think your belief outweighs others?

my beliefs....are just that.....Mine
They only work for me.
they may be similiar to others, but ultimately they only serve to guide me.
right ...or wrong.......I am ...

what I believe.

I have been working on my beliefs for years.
They are singular, only fitting for me.
They work for me because I either chose them, or on some other level they chose me.
They are mine, and mine alone.

Yes, thankyou sir, that is very commendable, our thoughts are always to serve us to the best of our ability... but I would be interested in them if only to form a discourse. :)

Why would anyone want to assert their beliefs as being above anothers?

Power trippers move to the right hand side of the page, please ------------------->

Rational sane and slightly left field people.. stay right where you are...

im standing in the bathroom because im doing my hair

I guess we all have guarded reasons for being so and that is always true. I do believe the spirit can grow or become enlightened though, through shared expressions?... Thank you for the response Invisible. :)

I see beliefs as stepping stones over a river... they are PART of the journey... and are there to be moved through onto the next....until one crosses over...


If one stands on one stepping stone... and holds fast to that one...they tend to stay in the one place...no growth, no moving forward, no continuance of the journey.

I can only speak for myself -- my beliefs are simple.
I've been sober for 16 years. I believe there is a Higher Power who keeps me safe and who has guided me through sobriety. There have been times when I wanted to just give up -- but something deep down inside me continually whispers there is always hope.

What works for me doesn't work so well for others. I've learned everyone has their own journey. Right now, I'm on really hard times since losing my job and my beliefs have guided me into not losing hope.

Jess is very head on .....

as the seen and the unseen converge along lifes path.... the scenery changes.....
we either adapt our belief to the changes
or we find ourselves standing still, frozen in our narrow minded outlook.

Well, it would be complicated to explain, and by tomorrow they might have changed anyway, because as I go along I adapt beliefs to my choosing, or I might discard beliefs.

I can only answer this in the context of of my own experience.

My beliefs have changed over time. When a new idea was encountered, which worked better than a current belief, the current belief was discarded and replaced with the new belief.

So I would say that my current beliefs outweight my former beliefs because my current beliefs work better than my former beliefs.

Now because my former beliefs seem to be the same as some people's current beliefs, it would be a logical necessity that I think my current beliefs outweight their current beliefs.

However, workability is situational. What works in one scanario will not neccessarily work in another scanario. Which is only to say that my beliefs may not be as workable for someone else as they are for me, and vice versa.

Wow, great analogy Jess, Im going to steal this one shamelessly for the next conversation I have with my fundie buddy.

I think anyone that is willing to be honest with themselves and acknowledge the fluidity of belief is on the right track.

I believe that there is not enough time in my life to figure out whether or not its worth believing in something other then what's in front of my face.

I have no faith in anything. I have no beliefs which are not tentative and open to re-evaluation when new experiences demand it.

I like it that way.

Universally, freedom is paramount. The will is free, and the self is free.

In third and fourth densities:

This (Milkyway) galaxy is governed and controlled by the non-human inhabitants who live under strict control of reptilian humanoids called Draconians.

Slavery and conquest of worlds is commonplace throughout this galaxy and slavery is an accepted normal part of society here. Slavery is considered a kindness compared to the option of total destruction and slaughter.

Travel is accomplished using dimensional shifts. Any spaceship travel done locally is accomplished using the electromagnetism and gravitational forces.

The earth is something like a neutral territory and is said to be a "free will" zone according to some information. Because of this, it has been covertly infiltrated by alien factions whose plan is to own and control the earth as it becomes a major trading port in this sector.

This third density Milkyway galaxy, is all about business, trade and technology. The products and currency are mostly technology, minerals, (gold etc), weapons, slaves and any energy and information sources. Its a material world where technology rules or reins. (Both third and fourth density worlds are material worlds.)

Unlike the higher densities.... but that is another story.

Where do I stand? I look at all information no matter how outside of the box it seems to be and I piece together bits and pieces in the development of my perception of this reality, this universe. I'm pretty sure we are not alone.

People mostly think I'm a little nuts, I think they have their heads in the sand.

I have faith in the natural laws.

I agree with Bushi, nice analogy Jess.

I also agree with sky - which agrees with Jess, we are a creature given to motion. Without intension we only walk in circles or wander aimlessly.

To be in motion must have a reason, to create a path, to be on a quest, to gather stones and reset them in a garden. If we learn nothing, if we cease to grow we may as well be a tree.

When we learn we adjust, we have a "change of heart" and often that change is indescribable, it may even be slight enough to be imperceptible, but like life those changes are in constant flux.

So we trust, we love, we share but when we do, it must be for the sake of trust, love, and sharing and not dependent on reciprication.

Wow... so many diverse thoughts and (as yet) not a single biblical quotation. I have this on another site and it's littered with them.

Many thanks for these offerings - lets have some more, meanwhile I'll add some of my own thoughts with a poem I wrote earlier this year:

Limited Reasoning

From its dusty shelf
book tells me
to lend it ears
questions everything
denies nothing
smiles its way
through ancient spite
-given credence
given light-

Given time
turning
thoughts
into wine
bearing
promises
of heaven
or something else
sublime

Tells me
-run no further
look no farther-
like a monotone
answer-phone
for the blind
while
I’m
flying
without hands

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