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So, Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Toyota Plant) as well as Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Hyundai Plant) and Sen. Bob Corker (R-Nissan Plant) don't like the auto bailout plan?
Have you seen the sweetheart deal those states gave foreign manufacturers? Free land, no taxes etc...but loan US automakers money to keep US companies and workers at work? Oh no that's bad. Here's the thing people. The money was already appropriated and is in the pool for fuel standards work. I guess the republicans would rather eliminate US car manufacturers and give that money to Honda, Toyota and Nissan. This is ridiculous. If the US manufactures go away what do you think happens next? By the way..did you know that it costs more to by a honda in Japan than it does here? You think these foreign companies will play nice once they have no US competition? Do you know the potential security implications of losing the large scale production potential of say GM? Do you know how many jobs are linked to US auto industry jobs? Do you know that Japan severely limits the number of US cars sold there but imports and subsidizes the cars it sells here. A number of years ago Chrysler got into trouble. Loans to them were not only paid back the tax payers made a huge profit on the deal. Think AIG will pay us back? Hell no but they are paying their exec's big bonus. Not supporting loans to the automakers makes no sense. Let them perish at your peril. |
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 BRAVO well said and written, the reachable dream is that people will wake up. SEE whats is going on and come together to stop it. someday the goverment of the poeple FOR the PEOPLE may wake up and refocus on the AMERICAN PEOPLE outside of an elction year.. |
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There is going to hell to pay if they dont.
They forget who is paying them taxes. And who is going to be on unemployment/ welfare if they are not working. It will cost them more money if they dont work. |
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People are remarkably short sighted I think.
These republicans who are opposing bridge loans don't give a rats ass about taxpayer money. That is evident by the orgy of spending they engaged in in the last eight years. I think opposing the loans is just plain politics. Let the auto industry go down so they can say four years from now "Look how bad things are now" US auto makers aren't asking for a gimme they are asking for loans. |
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Edited by
quiet_2008
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Fri 12/12/08 08:39 AM
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as I understand it, they wanted the workers to take a pay cut to be roughly equal to what the other car companies are paying and the United Auto Workers Union refused
so instead they'll get bankruptcy and no pay at all |
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So, Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Toyota Plant) as well as Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Hyundai Plant) and Sen. Bob Corker (R-Nissan Plant) don't like the auto bailout plan? Have you seen the sweetheart deal those states gave foreign manufacturers? Free land, no taxes etc...but loan US automakers money to keep US companies and workers at work? Oh no that's bad. Here's the thing people. The money was already appropriated and is in the pool for fuel standards work. I guess the republicans would rather eliminate US car manufacturers and give that money to Honda, Toyota and Nissan. This is ridiculous. If the US manufactures go away what do you think happens next? By the way..did you know that it costs more to by a honda in Japan than it does here? You think these foreign companies will play nice once they have no US competition? Do you know the potential security implications of losing the large scale production potential of say GM? Do you know how many jobs are linked to US auto industry jobs? Do you know that Japan severely limits the number of US cars sold there but imports and subsidizes the cars it sells here. A number of years ago Chrysler got into trouble. Loans to them were not only paid back the tax payers made a huge profit on the deal. Think AIG will pay us back? Hell no but they are paying their exec's big bonus. Not supporting loans to the automakers makes no sense. Let them perish at your peril. Lots of questions, do you have actual real answers to them? Many foriegn car companies have plants in the US, with US workers manufacturing them. Maybe they don't make $26.00 per hr. + benefits, however it is US labor. Were you around in the seventies for the last gas shortage issues? Why did the big three discourage developement of lighter, fuel efficient cars, and trucks? IMAO Since the oil companies used back door methods to do away with the windfall taxes, maybe they should be funding the bailout. |
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Edited by
quiet_2008
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Fri 12/12/08 09:46 AM
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So, Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Toyota Plant) as well as Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Hyundai Plant) and Sen. Bob Corker (R-Nissan Plant) don't like the auto bailout plan? Have you seen the sweetheart deal those states gave foreign manufacturers? Free land, no taxes etc...but loan US automakers money to keep US companies and workers at work? Oh no that's bad. Here's the thing people. The money was already appropriated and is in the pool for fuel standards work. I guess the republicans would rather eliminate US car manufacturers and give that money to Honda, Toyota and Nissan. This is ridiculous. If the US manufactures go away what do you think happens next? By the way..did you know that it costs more to by a honda in Japan than it does here? You think these foreign companies will play nice once they have no US competition? Do you know the potential security implications of losing the large scale production potential of say GM? Do you know how many jobs are linked to US auto industry jobs? Do you know that Japan severely limits the number of US cars sold there but imports and subsidizes the cars it sells here. A number of years ago Chrysler got into trouble. Loans to them were not only paid back the tax payers made a huge profit on the deal. Think AIG will pay us back? Hell no but they are paying their exec's big bonus. Not supporting loans to the automakers makes no sense. Let them perish at your peril. Lots of questions, do you have actual real answers to them? Many foriegn car companies have plants in the US, with US workers manufacturing them. Maybe they don't make $26.00 per hr. + benefits, however it is US labor. Were you around in the seventies for the last gas shortage issues? Why did the big three discourage developement of lighter, fuel efficient cars, and trucks? IMAO Since the oil companies used back door methods to do away with the windfall taxes, maybe they should be funding the bailout. actually they do make about $26 an hour. And the Big Three workers get around $50 an hour for the same job EDIT: and even worse (for them) the Big Three pay almost as much in retirement benefits as they do in salaries thanks to the union strikes in the 70's |
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Personally I don't understand how one can be against unions that help people to keep the wages and benefits they deserve and worked their butts off for. I don't understand why people would be against the workers in the first place.
My state republicans can't stand unions? Well it appears they have little caring for workers either. Here they stand to benefit from foreign care makers, not the workers. Blame the workers but be sure to kiss the butts of wall street and politicians in states with sweet heart deals with foreign car makers. Did the workers cause the economic problem? I think not. Should pensions people rely on be what takes the hit or the slobs that started this mess. Yet the bastards that started this will be the ones to come out smelling like roses. Ugh. I don't care if one is a republican or a democrat, it's about time we gave a crapola about the people for a change, not the ones who benefit from using the people for their gains. I really would like to know why some republicans dislike unions, that I would appreciate an honest answer to. |
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Sometimes it takes a Forest Fire to regenerate the the Forest.
The Ideas that are coming out of Detriot are Old and outdated, even with these loans there still companies are still going to fail because they are behind the times. I would rather see them fail without my money than with it |
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Sometimes it takes a Forest Fire to regenerate the the Forest. The Ideas that are coming out of Detriot are Old and outdated, even with these loans there still companies are still going to fail because they are behind the times. I would rather see them fail without my money than with it I would totally agree with you Brandon, if hard working workers were not part of this. They didn't start this mess, they did their job. What about those with pensions, who now rely on them after working for years to help these companies become rich? What about all the companies that are associated with the car companies and depend them them, and those people that labor in those companies? It's like a hand full of Republicans, that by the way have a vested interest in foreign companies in their states, can focus only one what will benefit their associations with the company's and don't give a flip about the worker. The car companies in question did not keep faith with American people, I completely agree, but we shouldn't punish the worker for the dumb butt mistakes of the higher ups. Here in TN, the workers in plants up here get zip, nada, nothing from the companies they work for. They work their butts off and no one represents them. I think the people deserve more. And the republicans that care more about getting God all of a sudden after the past 8 years, could care less about the worker than themselves. Something sick about that, to me anyway. I don't know what will happen but if this doesn't get done I think those senators that are trying to stop this, will pay for their lack of insight later. Or maybe not... sigh! At first I was so mad that I wanted to see the car companies go down, but I was not considering the innocent workers that didn't ask for any of this, and have already given up a lot. They shouldn't have to loose their jobs and their pensions. |
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Sometimes it takes a Forest Fire to regenerate the the Forest. The Ideas that are coming out of Detriot are Old and outdated, even with these loans there still companies are still going to fail because they are behind the times. I would rather see them fail without my money than with it I would totally agree with you Brandon, if hard working workers were not part of this. They didn't start this mess, they did their job. What about those with pensions, who now rely on them after working for years to help these companies become rich? What about all the companies that are associated with the car companies and depend them them, and those people that labor in those companies? It's like a hand full of Republicans, that by the way have a vested interest in foreign companies in their states, can focus only one what will benefit their associations with the company's and don't give a flip about the worker. The car companies in question did not keep faith with American people, I completely agree, but we shouldn't punish the worker for the dumb butt mistakes of the higher ups. Here in TN, the workers in plants up here get zip, nada, nothing from the companies they work for. They work their butts off and no one represents them. I think the people deserve more. And the republicans that care more about getting God all of a sudden after the past 8 years, could care less about the worker than themselves. Something sick about that, to me anyway. I don't know what will happen but if this doesn't get done I think those senators that are trying to stop this, will pay for their lack of insight later. Or maybe not... sigh! At first I was so mad that I wanted to see the car companies go down, but I was not considering the innocent workers that didn't ask for any of this, and have already given up a lot. They shouldn't have to loose their jobs and their pensions. Thats part of capitalism though, its horribly sad but its a fact of life. Its happened before in history, talk about just another Inconvient Truth |
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Thats part of capitalism though, its horribly sad but its a fact of life. Its happened before in history, talk about just another Inconvient Truth Again, I get what you are saying and there is a huge part of me that feels the same way, but i stop short of screwing the working man so that we can punish big business. And if we think that things are going to be bad with the amount of people out of work now, just wait until small businesses that are related to the big three start dropping like fly's along with their employees. This is far more complex than even I understand fully. But most of those employees are likely to have family as well. It's not just workers were are putting in the street, it's their family's as well. I do really get what you mean, I just wish we didn't have to make the unemployment 10 times as bad because we want to punish the big wigs, ya know... 
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I whole heartedly aggree with you, but the true quality of the oil is shown when the olive is pressed, I think we will see the best that the people of america posses because of all this BS that "our" Government has put us through. The American Dream will live on, i just dont think "our" Government will
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Edited by
boo2u
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Fri 12/12/08 05:19 PM
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I whole heartedly aggree with you, but the true quality of the oil is shown when the olive is pressed, I think we will see the best that the people of america posses because of all this BS that "our" Government has put us through. The American Dream will live on, i just dont think "our" Government will Well I think the american dream as we have known it in the past several years is no more, that is for sure. If wall street doesn't learn a lesson I hope that the population learns from it. Save save save, cuz wall street will screw up again. After all why not, the government will bail your sorry a$$ out. Its the every day dicck and jane I feel for... |
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People are remarkably short sighted I think. These republicans who are opposing bridge loans don't give a rats ass about taxpayer money. That is evident by the orgy of spending they engaged in in the last eight years. I think opposing the loans is just plain politics. Let the auto industry go down so they can say four years from now "Look how bad things are now" US auto makers aren't asking for a gimme they are asking for loans. It's funny you mention short-sightedness (especially seeing I am terribly near-sighted lol). What a lot of people dont realize, is that without a plan in place and feasable, a bailout will only be throwing money away, cause in six months time when they big three have usedalll that moiney, they will be asking for more again. Right now, with the possible exception of (dare I say it? lol) Ford, the companies donot have a way of going back into profits even with this bailout. They need to revamp their entire business from head to toe, and get it profitable again. Once they do that, by all means I will support helping them out, but not if its to see them go under in six months time instead of now. |
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BRAVO well said and written, the reachable dream is that people will wake up. SEE whats is going on and come together to stop it. someday the goverment of the poeple FOR the PEOPLE may wake up and refocus on the AMERICAN PEOPLE outside of an elction year..  Amen   Blue Eyed Dude You are one very smokin Military Man ... thank you for all that you are and for all that you stand for & those you represent |
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Edited by
Rapunzel
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Wed 12/17/08 05:51 PM
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Sometimes it takes a Forest Fire to regenerate the the Forest. very good point The Ideas that are coming out of Detriot are Old and outdated, even with these loans there still companies are still going to fail because they are behind the times. truly ...  so many people keep compromising  & trading what is really important & absolutely vital  for survival of this planet  to support their lazy decadent lifestyles  and for their own lust for power & for their own insatiable greed I would rather see them fail without my money than with it same here ... I believe that The U.S. government is totally enabling the delinquency of so many businesses that constantly misappropriate funds & resources i don't know why the U.S.  doesn't drastically change it all  and make fuel from readily available resources  that doesn't pollute our precious air & water rather than still using fossil fuel and why Our Troops have to fight in wars because of other people's greed & ignorance The treachery & insensitivity , and the absolute lack of consideration  for any one else ,  except to make a profit from each of us i will never be able to understand or comprehend  the evil and selfishness that lurks  in the hearts and minds of so many people |
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Sometimes it takes a Forest Fire to regenerate the the Forest. The Ideas that are coming out of Detriot are Old and outdated, even with these loans there still companies are still going to fail because they are behind the times. I would rather see them fail without my money than with it I would totally agree with you Brandon, if hard working workers were not part of this. They didn't start this mess, they did their job. What about those with pensions, who now rely on them after working for years to help these companies become rich? What about all the companies that are associated with the car companies and depend them them, and those people that labor in those companies? It's like a hand full of Republicans, that by the way have a vested interest in foreign companies in their states, can focus only one what will benefit their associations with the company's and don't give a flip about the worker. The car companies in question did not keep faith with American people, I completely agree, but we shouldn't punish the worker for the dumb butt mistakes of the higher ups. Here in TN, the workers in plants up here get zip, nada, nothing from the companies they work for. They work their butts off and no one represents them. I think the people deserve more. And the republicans that care more about getting God all of a sudden after the past 8 years, could care less about the worker than themselves. Something sick about that, to me anyway. I don't know what will happen but if this doesn't get done I think those senators that are trying to stop this, will pay for their lack of insight later. Or maybe not... sigh! At first I was so mad that I wanted to see the car companies go down, but I was not considering the innocent workers that didn't ask for any of this, and have already given up a lot. They shouldn't have to loose their jobs and their pensions. Thats part of capitalism though, its horribly sad but its a fact of life. Its happened before in history, talk about just another Inconvient Truth |
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Toyota supplies alot of jobs for central and southern KY. I'd hate to see them go out of state
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it is all so absolutely tragic it makes me weep uncontrollably for Us, our Children  & our Grandchildren
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