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anywhere that if you don't believe in the words of Christ your Savior or God that you are deemed to be a heathen, zealout, or infidel? If so then why do I hear from Christians that they will never call you any of these things if you don't believe, yet if a Christian who represents the Bible and believe in what it says then you are actually agreeing that all who are not followers are heathens/infidels. Is this correct? If not then please explain. Otherwise this means to me that a Christian who follows the Bible only believes some of what is written and not all. "God Sooo LOVED the World.......... (that means God LOVED/LOVES us all ...... even BEFORE we love Him....).... That He GAVE His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON..... That WHOSOEVER BELIEVES on HIM Shall NOT Perish, but Have EVERLASTING LIFE. God Came NOT to Condemn the World... but To SAVE the World!! God is LOVE-. And IF God dwells in Us.... so Does HIS LOVE ALSO DWELL IN US... and therefore ...... We Will ALSO LOVE ALL PEOPLE.... just as GOD LOVES ALL PEOPLE!!! 
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That's exactly right, martymark, arguing is of no use to anybody, except to entertain one's self... which is what a lot of people on Mingle are here for... which I guess is the purpose of this vain web page... LOL...
I just happened to notice someone using one verse to make a point, but originally, the verse numbers weren't in the original text, so that would be like taking "the" out of a sentence, quoting an author as saying "The"... and complaining that he doesn't write complete sentences... LOL... What you learn on the Mingle siter... hahahahahahaha I think they call it "grasping for straws"...... |
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Not all Christians are alike. Everybody interprets things differently. And I'm the one that just told somebody on here that I'll never call them those things. yes but the bible says it though. Do you believe it? If not then you don't believe everything the bible teaches. If you do believe it to be correct then you don't have to say to one they are a heathen/infidel because you think it for believing it. Please explain how this works. I have morals and am not prejudiced. It is not my job to judge people. I have empathy and am caring. I help others. That is how I interpret the Bible. I really believe you have good morals and hold no prejudice. I am sorry if my questions and answers sound harsh or rough to you, yet I truly seek answers. I just find that if a bible states those who don't believe are heathens then I wonder why someone who is a member, believer, or faith giver would agree with its writings. but again Spider indicated it doesn't say this as Tribo indicates it does state this. So here we are going back and forth wondering. I prefer that the Bible wouldn't say this to find some peace. What is most important is you believe that such a faith helps you. All the best. I take in consideration that they spoke differently during that time. That was so very many years ago. God may judge people. It's not my place to judge and I don't think that he wants me to do that. |
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Not all Christians are alike. Everybody interprets things differently. And I'm the one that just told somebody on here that I'll never call them those things. yes but the bible says it though. Do you believe it? If not then you don't believe everything the bible teaches. If you do believe it to be correct then you don't have to say to one they are a heathen/infidel because you think it for believing it. Please explain how this works. I have morals and am not prejudiced. It is not my job to judge people. I have empathy and am caring. I help others. That is how I interpret the Bible. I really believe you have good morals and hold no prejudice. I am sorry if my questions and answers sound harsh or rough to you, yet I truly seek answers. I just find that if a bible states those who don't believe are heathens then I wonder why someone who is a member, believer, or faith giver would agree with its writings. but again Spider indicated it doesn't say this as Tribo indicates it does state this. So here we are going back and forth wondering. I prefer that the Bible wouldn't say this to find some peace. What is most important is you believe that such a faith helps you. All the best. I take in consideration that they spoke differently during that time. That was so very many years ago. God may judge people. It's not my place to judge and I don't think that he wants me to do that. yes exactly. I wrote in a different thread asking about if the wording is actually misunderstood that one cannot understand its true intent. I mean think about how it was translated from its original document then later on through the years. Very interesting and confusing! This is where patience is required to understand its scriptures. |
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anywhere that if you don't believe in the words of Christ your Savior or God that you are deemed to be a heathen, zealout, or infidel? If so then why do I hear from Christians that they will never call you any of these things if you don't believe, yet if a Christian who represents the Bible and believe in what it says then you are actually agreeing that all who are not followers are heathens/infidels. Is this correct? If not then please explain. Otherwise this means to me that a Christian who follows the Bible only believes some of what is written and not all. "God Sooo LOVED the World.......... (that means God LOVED/LOVES us all ...... even BEFORE we love Him....).... That He GAVE His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON..... That WHOSOEVER BELIEVES on HIM Shall NOT Perish, but Have EVERLASTING LIFE. God Came NOT to Condemn the World... but To SAVE the World!! God is LOVE-. And IF God dwells in Us.... so Does HIS LOVE ALSO DWELL IN US... and therefore ...... We Will ALSO LOVE ALL PEOPLE.... just as GOD LOVES ALL PEOPLE!!!
How do you change the colors on your writing. I love it and the what you write. Very beautiful 
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nice try spidey. Oh, nice try Tribo. Some people are surely fooled. But Jesus wasn't telling anyone to call someone a heathen, so my original point still stands. But instead of taking the definition of the translated word (which is never acceptable), let's go to the original... ethnikos Translated: Heathen 1) adapted to the genius or customs of a people, peculiar to a people, national 2) suited to the manners or language of foreigners, strange, foreign 3) in the NT savouring of the nature of pagans, alien to the worship of the true God, heathenish a) of the pagan, the Gentile Notice that the definitions are about conforming to the behavior of non-Jews? What Jesus was telling his followers was to not follow the example laid down by the non-Jews, but to pray as the Jews do. He was calling Jews who pray like non-Jews heathenish, he wasn't commanding his follows to call anyone a heathen. But wait, there is more! ethnos (the root word for ethnikos) 1) a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together a) a company, troop, swarm 2) a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus a) the human family 3) a tribe, nation, people group 4) in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles 5) Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians Notice that Paul used this word to describe his own followers! The word Jesus was using actually means more akin to "gentile-like". It wasn't a bad word or a slur, it was simply a way of specifying that the speaker was talking about non-Jews. then what do we do with the words "infidel and swine spidey" jesus: Mt 7:6 Give <1325> (5632) not <3361> that which <3588> is holy <40> unto the dogs <2965>, neither <3366> cast <906> (5632) ye your <5216> pearls <3135> before <1715> swine <5519>, lest <3379> they trample <2662> (5661) them <846> under <1722> their <846> feet <4228>, and <2532> turn again <4762> (5651) and rend <4486> (5661) you <5209>. 2Co 6:15 And <1161> what <5101> concord <4857> hath Christ <5547> with <4314> Belial <955>? or <2228> what <5101> part <3310> hath he that believeth <4103> with <3326> an infidel <571>? strongs swine - 5519 - choiros [khoy-ros] = sine, a swine - swine = pig. strongs,<571> infidel:apistos, - unbeleiving, faithless, unbeliever, not to be trusted, perfidious, without trust in god. so spin these spidey?? Swine have much to do with pearls as unbelievers have to do with God's wisdom. But you have yet to show Jesus telling his followers to call unbelievers anything other than friend. And for that reason, you will be wrong no matter how many scriptures you try to twist. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Fri 12/05/08 09:05 PM
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Smiless...go here: http://mingle2.com/topic/show/177949 Mike explains it best. I tried to post the info ..... but it didn't show up for some reason. Be Blessed Smiless.... you've got some good threads going, btw. ps... You Have a Beautiful Soul,Smiless 
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Smiless,
Click on the quote button of the people that have colored writing. Then you will see the code that they are typing to obtain that coloring. |
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Smiless...go here: http://mingle2.com/topic/show/177949 Mike explains it best. I tried to post the info ..... but it didn't show up for some reason. Be Blessed Smiless.... you've got some good threads going, btw. ps... You Have a Beautiful Soul,Smiless
You have also a beautiful soul and much wisdom to share. thank you
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Smiless, Click on the quote button of the people that have colored writing. Then you will see the code that they are typing to obtain that coloring. thankyou very much
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Not all Christians are alike. Everybody interprets things differently. And I'm the one that just told somebody on here that I'll never call them those things. yes but the bible says it though. Do you believe it? If not then you don't believe everything the bible teaches. If you do believe it to be correct then you don't have to say to one they are a heathen/infidel because you think it for believing it. Please explain how this works. |
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Fri 12/05/08 09:19 PM
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John 12:47 "And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." Mr. Abra, But you left out the rest of what he said... John 12... 46I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. ******************* In that text, there is still a judgment for not believing... but it the Father who does the judging, not the son... etc, blah blah blah I've studied this stuff throughly TelephoneMan. I knew some was going to post the info that you posted above. But it's to no avail. You see according to John Jesus also said the following: John 5:23 "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:" So now you see that the book is a conundrum of contraditions. It can't possible be true. It totally contradicts itself. Either Jesus was confused, or these people who were shoving words in his mouth after the he died where making up lies and not covering their own stupid mistakes. Personally I choose the latter explanation, but you're certainly free to choose your own explanations. The Bible can't possible be true as far as I'm concerned. It simply contradicts itself on every other page. Sometime on the same page! So as far as I'm concerend your explanation can't be true in light of the gospel of John. |
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John 5:23 "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"
If you have seen the father, you have seen the son.  Christs name meant "God with Us".
what's up abra?
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Het sharp, good morning, isn't it?
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I would say if you don't live and the the Lord Jesus Christ as God intended in writing the words of the Bible, then yes you will not go to heaven.
But how hard is it to accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior, give all your troubles to him and be saved...pretty simple huh. And if your already living a I feel I am a good person life...then even more easy. anywhere that if you don't believe in the words of Christ your Savior or God that you are deemed to be a heathen, zealout, or infidel? If so then why do I hear from Christians that they will never call you any of these things if you don't believe, yet if a Christian who represents the Bible and believe in what it says then you are actually agreeing that all who are not followers are heathens/infidels. Is this correct? If not then please explain. Otherwise this means to me that a Christian who follows the Bible only believes some of what is written and not all. It not that you believe in the "words" of Christ...It is that you believe he died on the cross and shed his blood for our sins. The reason that I would not call you any names smiles is for two reasons....I heart you and your my friend...and more important I am not yours or anyones judge. And I think I made it very clear that I believe the Bible from Genesis to Revelation every last word...and that it to me is not a myth and inspired of God. Yes you made it very clear, but remember the question was for everyone to answer. I say more power to you if you feel great with the relationship with God you chose. Keep up the great work. There is just a confusion of weather the bible indicates if one doesn't believe one is a heathen or not. I have a hard time digesting some of the information, but again I may just not understand this yet. Perhaps one day I will. You have always been nice to me and that is a good quality to admire. Your friend John
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I think people think too highly of Ghandi and to compare Ghandi to Jesus is ludicrous. Who said anything about comparing Ghandi to Jesus? He merely pointed out the Christians are hypocrites. I think we can all see the truth in that, no matter who points it out. I think that you'll find that EVERYONE is a hypocrite at one time or another. I guess that would include Christians as well - huh. But leave it to you Abra to point out a tree in a forest and say it's a forest of one tree. |
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Not all Christians are alike. Everybody interprets things differently. This is precisely my point. Any Tom, ****, or Harry can claim to be a "Christian". But they all have different ideas of what that means. So is there even such a thing as "Christianity - The Official Religion". Probably not. Wiccans actually all have their own versions of Wicca too. But at least the are open about it. If the so-called "Christians" were as open as the Wiccans to individual interpretations then "Christinaity" wouldn't be the finger-pointing monster that it is. I mean technically I could call myself a "Christian" yet I believe that Jesus said the following: John 12:47 "And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." Therefore I don't believe that Jesus will mind at all if I personally believe that the Bible is full of demagogurey and most of it is probably untrue. Including the rumors that Jesus was born of a virgin, sent by the God of Abraham, died for anyones sins, or rose from the dead. You might thing, "Well if you disbelieve all of that, then what's left to believe?" Well, I believe that Jesus denounced the ancient bigoted male-chauvinistic Old Testament, and offered a new way of life. To me he's a mortal man, just like Buddha. If people can follow Buddha and view him as a man mortal, then why can't I follow Jesus and view him as a mortal man? Of course I can! Who can say I'm wrong? Another Christian? Big deal. Christians disagree with each other all the time! 
Actually - it is Jesus who says you are wrong. If you are going to claim to believe in the man - you should at least take him on his word for who he claimed to be, and said he was. He claimed to be GOD! The creator of the world and the inspiration for the prophets of the Old Testament - whom he often quoted, which He would not have done if he did not think their writings worthy of doing so. So - this Jesus you believe in... Who was he? |
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Actually - it is Jesus who says you are wrong. If you are going to claim to believe in the man - you should at least take him on his word for who he claimed to be, and said he was. He claimed to be GOD! The creator of the world and the inspiration for the prophets of the Old Testament - whom he often quoted, which He would not have done if he did not think their writings worthy of doing so. So - this Jesus you believe in... Who was he? No Eljay, Jesus doesn't say I'm wrong. In fact, Jesus probably never said a lot of things that the New Testament claims he said. John 5:23 "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:" John 12:47 "And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. John 5:23 and John 12:48 cannot both be simultaneously true. Therefore either Jesus himself was unsure of what he wanted to say,.... Or whoever wrote these scriptures was shoving lies into the mouth of a dead Jesus. I personally believe the latter to be true. I don't believe for one second that the New Testament is the word of Jesus. On the contrary, if Jesus really truly was God why would he leave his words for someone else to write? That makes absolutely no sense at all. If Jesus was God in the flesh, then he had no need to inspire men to write down his thoughts. He had hands, surely he could write it down himself. In fact, I've heard stories that there are rumors in history that Jesus did actually write things down but they were all destroyed because the people who wrote the New Testament didn't like what Jesus actually had to say. It's all demagoguery Eljay. It can't be the word of God. Jesus didn't even agree with the basic tenets of the God of Abraham. How could he have possibly been his son? It's a false doctrine. Jesus was crucified twice. Once physically on a cross, and the second time his true message was cruficied in the writing of the New Testament. Jesus true message was to quit worshiping the stupid Old Testament. But the people who wrote the New Testament actually used Jesus' martyrdom status as a patsy to rejuvinate the very things that Jesus was attempting to abolish. They made Jesus into the Son of the God of Abraham to establish their Chruchianity. I personally don't believe that Jesus ever claimed to be the Son of the God of Abraham. He was totally against those principles. I believe the rumors that the Jews actually crucified him for blaspheme. And you can't blame them if they did, because the God of Abraham demanded that they do precisely that! The God of Abraham demanded that they murder heathens and blasphemists. Why do you think the Jews we're trying to stone him to death? They were doing precisely what the God of the Old Testament told them to do! If the God of the Old Testament did send Jesus into this mob then he wasn't a very wise God. You don't tell your children to kill certain kinds of people and then send one of those people to them. That would be utterly insane. Do you believe that God is insane? |
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anywhere that if you don't believe in the words of Christ your Savior or God that you are deemed to be a heathen, zealout, or infidel? If so then why do I hear from Christians that they will never call you any of these things if you don't believe, yet if a Christian who represents the Bible and believe in what it says then you are actually agreeing that all who are not followers are heathens/infidels. Is this correct? If not then please explain. Otherwise this means to me that a Christian who follows the Bible only believes some of what is written and not all. that only means that some christians are not tolerants. and not that they are disagreeing with some parts of the Bible. that is a very silly silogism. |
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anywhere that if you don't believe in the words of Christ your Savior or God that you are deemed to be a heathen, zealout, or infidel? If so then why do I hear from Christians that they will never call you any of these things if you don't believe, yet if a Christian who represents the Bible and believe in what it says then you are actually agreeing that all who are not followers are heathens/infidels. Is this correct? If not then please explain. Otherwise this means to me that a Christian who follows the Bible only believes some of what is written and not all. that only means that some christians are not tolerants. and not that they are disagreeing with some parts of the Bible. that is a very silly silogism. Looking up silogism! I hope you are doing great my catholic friend Maximus Regulas
May you enjoy the holidays with family and friends and have much laughter and joy in the process
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