Topic: What Happens When America's Airwaves Fill with Hate?
damnitscloudy's photo
Sat 11/22/08 08:51 PM

Sometimes I wonder if it isn't more about getting ratings than anything else.


Thats how i feel about the whole thing. If those people actually talked about issues like normal people do, than nobody would listen to them. So they scream, shout, rant and rave and people listen.

Personally i don't listen to alot of them because all that shouting gives me a head ache.

Winx's photo
Sat 11/22/08 08:52 PM



Ohhhh, the outrage--the evil and conspiratorial right-wing hate mongers. Some are sickened, some are just mortified that such venom is even allowed to be heard.

But in all of twenty seconds on Google I found the following:

"Julianne Malveaux, a radio host and USA Today columnist, caught no flak when she prayed aloud for the death of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. "I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease," she snarled on PBS."

Ummm, yeah, how loving.

There are soooo many of these--I picked only one. My point here is that both sides of this could fire up hundreds of hateful comments made by prominent people to the masses.

So, why don't we all agree that BOTH sides need to grow up and knock it the hell off?

-Drew



Oohhh, Drew, somebody said that about Clarence Thomas and black men?!shocked :cry:

Drew, in all honesty, I've never heard somebody that wasn't right-wing talk like that.


She said it! And she she's a radio host as well. My point here is that this thread could go on for days as people pick out stupid and hateful comments by both sides. We do that and wonder why things don't work, why we are in trouble. I can't help but think that there is an element of "I'll say something outrageous so that it improves my ratings" going on but it does not really matter.

Some people (again, on both sides) are going to spew this garbage and it is incumbent upon all of us (that so desire) to tell both sides: Enough.

I don't agree with conservatives when they open their mouths and say stupid and hateful crap. And I don't agree with liberals when they do, but that does not mean that people cannot disagree.

I wrote a post a while back wherein I argued that people should be called by their proper names. I get sick of people calling former President Clinton--Billary, Slick Willy or any of that. Through the election cycle I called President-elect Obama by his name--even though there was no way I was going to vote for him. Now, I'm far from perfect on this and in the past I know I've said some hateful things--so I'm pointing a finger at myself before anyone else. It just has to change.

It is up to us to raise the bar--those who profit from this garbage won't do it for us--ever.

-Drew


I don't like the Billary, etc kind of stuff either. It tells me that those people are copying what they hear others say when they are talking hate.

Ruth34611's photo
Sat 11/22/08 08:53 PM

I wrote a post a while back wherein I argued that people should be called by their proper names. I get sick of people calling former President Clinton--Billary, Slick Willy or any of that. Through the election cycle I called President-elect Obama by his name--even though there was no way I was going to vote for him. Now, I'm far from perfect on this and in the past I know I've said some hateful things--so I'm pointing a finger at myself before anyone else. It just has to change.

It is up to us to raise the bar--those who profit from this garbage won't do it for us--ever.

-Drew


Excellent point. It would be interesting to see what happened if everyone focused on the facts and the mud-slinging and name calling just stopped.

Lindyy's photo
Sat 11/22/08 09:17 PM

if you want to see pure propaganda just watch Fox news.

Bill is my favorite. disagree and you are un american, talks over a guest if they do not agree and then cuts them off if that does not deter them to say what he wants. then he tells the audience what a nut job they are.

pure news. The others on fox are close but Bill should be cleaning latrineslaugh


"Bill" ia an extremely knowledgeable individual, well versed and educated on the issues with which he presents to his audience. He has the highest rated show on cable....obviously millions of individuals agree with him!! THINK about it.....
One does NOT get those ratings by being "in the wrong."


Lindyy
:heart:

noblenan's photo
Sat 11/22/08 10:37 PM


if you want to see pure propaganda just watch Fox news.

Bill is my favorite. disagree and you are un american, talks over a guest if they do not agree and then cuts them off if that does not deter them to say what he wants. then he tells the audience what a nut job they are.

pure news. The others on fox are close but Bill should be cleaning latrineslaugh


"Bill" ia an extremely knowledgeable individual, well versed and educated on the issues with which he presents to his audience. He has the highest rated show on cable....obviously millions of individuals agree with him!! THINK about it.....
One does NOT get those ratings by being "in the wrong."


Lindyy
:heart:


Jerry Springer had pretty high ratings too! A bully is a bully. Doesn't matter what they believe to be right.

Winx's photo
Sat 11/22/08 10:44 PM


if you want to see pure propaganda just watch Fox news.

Bill is my favorite. disagree and you are un american, talks over a guest if they do not agree and then cuts them off if that does not deter them to say what he wants. then he tells the audience what a nut job they are.

pure news. The others on fox are close but Bill should be cleaning latrineslaugh


"Bill" ia an extremely knowledgeable individual, well versed and educated on the issues with which he presents to his audience. He has the highest rated show on cable....obviously millions of individuals agree with him!! THINK about it.....
One does NOT get those ratings by being "in the wrong."


Lindyy
:heart:


That's just sad to me, Lindyy. How can people admire a man that says such things?

Winx's photo
Sat 11/22/08 10:45 PM



if you want to see pure propaganda just watch Fox news.

Bill is my favorite. disagree and you are un american, talks over a guest if they do not agree and then cuts them off if that does not deter them to say what he wants. then he tells the audience what a nut job they are.

pure news. The others on fox are close but Bill should be cleaning latrineslaugh


"Bill" ia an extremely knowledgeable individual, well versed and educated on the issues with which he presents to his audience. He has the highest rated show on cable....obviously millions of individuals agree with him!! THINK about it.....
One does NOT get those ratings by being "in the wrong."


Lindyy
:heart:


Jerry Springer had pretty high ratings too! A bully is a bully. Doesn't matter what they believe to be right.


drinker drinker

Lindyy's photo
Sat 11/22/08 10:59 PM



if you want to see pure propaganda just watch Fox news.

Bill is my favorite. disagree and you are un american, talks over a guest if they do not agree and then cuts them off if that does not deter them to say what he wants. then he tells the audience what a nut job they are.

pure news. The others on fox are close but Bill should be cleaning latrineslaugh


"Bill" ia an extremely knowledgeable individual, well versed and educated on the issues with which he presents to his audience. He has the highest rated show on cable....obviously millions of individuals agree with him!! THINK about it.....
One does NOT get those ratings by being "in the wrong."


Lindyy
:heart:


That's just sad to me, Lindyy. How can people admire a man that says such things?


SAY WHAT KIND OF THINGS??????????? BE SPECIFIC...not overly broad, vague or ambiguous! If you are going to question something....back up your allegations with FACT.


IS what Bill Moyers says OK...MSNBC, CBS, Huffington Post, Michael Moore, Striesand, Rosie O'Donnell, etc.???

Do you ever watch The O'Rielly Factor?

How often do you watch FOX??

O'Rielly and FOX do not have just high ratings....they are THE TOP RATED show, network... major difference!


adj4u's photo
Sat 11/22/08 11:58 PM
it is either right for all or wrong for all

double standard is bull

Milesoftheusa's photo
Sun 11/23/08 04:30 AM




if you want to see pure propaganda just watch Fox news.

Bill is my favorite. disagree and you are un american, talks over a guest if they do not agree and then cuts them off if that does not deter them to say what he wants. then he tells the audience what a nut job they are.

pure news. The others on fox are close but Bill should be cleaning latrineslaugh


"Bill" ia an extremely knowledgeable individual, well versed and educated on the issues with which he presents to his audience. He has the highest rated show on cable....obviously millions of individuals agree with him!! THINK about it.....
One does NOT get those ratings by being "in the wrong."


Lindyy
:heart:


That's just sad to me, Lindyy. How can people admire a man that says such things?


SAY WHAT KIND OF THINGS??????????? BE SPECIFIC...not overly broad, vague or ambiguous! If you are going to question something....back up your allegations with FACT.


IS what Bill Moyers says OK...MSNBC, CBS, Huffington Post, Michael Moore, Striesand, Rosie O'Donnell, etc.???

Do you ever watch The O'Rielly Factor?

How often do you watch FOX??

O'Rielly and FOX do not have just high ratings....they are THE TOP RATED show, network... major difference!





When people disagree he tells them to shut up all the time.

He had a young man on who's father on 911. Bill did not like what he was saying and told him he should be ashamed of himself.. That his father was a hero and he has turned out to be a scumbag. Then Bill started yelling at him to shut up then called security to get him out because they were sitting across from each other at a table.. What a fine news man

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Sun 11/23/08 05:33 AM




if you want to see pure propaganda just watch Fox news.

Bill is my favorite. disagree and you are un american, talks over a guest if they do not agree and then cuts them off if that does not deter them to say what he wants. then he tells the audience what a nut job they are.

pure news. The others on fox are close but Bill should be cleaning latrineslaugh


"Bill" ia an extremely knowledgeable individual, well versed and educated on the issues with which he presents to his audience. He has the highest rated show on cable....obviously millions of individuals agree with him!! THINK about it.....
One does NOT get those ratings by being "in the wrong."


Lindyy
:heart:


That's just sad to me, Lindyy. How can people admire a man that says such things?


SAY WHAT KIND OF THINGS??????????? BE SPECIFIC...not overly broad, vague or ambiguous! If you are going to question something....back up your allegations with FACT.


IS what Bill Moyers says OK...MSNBC, CBS, Huffington Post, Michael Moore, Striesand, Rosie O'Donnell, etc.???

Do you ever watch The O'Rielly Factor?

How often do you watch FOX??

O'Rielly and FOX do not have just high ratings....they are THE TOP RATED show, network... major difference!


Iam so glad most educated people get their news from the internet

Ruth34611's photo
Sun 11/23/08 05:38 AM
Lindyy, if you are basing the truth of what someone says by their popularity ratings you are doing yourself a huge disservice. You should not believe anyone for ANY reason other than the fact that you have heard all sides and come to your own conclusion. Don't let any media source tell you what your opinions should be. flowerforyou

t22learner's photo
Sun 11/23/08 06:18 AM

O'Rielly and FOX do not have just high ratings....they are THE TOP RATED show, network... major difference!

On November 4th, all the people got to vote. I don't think they voted the Faux party line...

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Sun 11/23/08 06:22 AM



this is why we need the Fairness Doctrine back. So the left has an equal chance to air their hate speech
Lets all quit spreading hate!!! Knowledge will get you farther...



you are learning well

your wisdom is beyond that of grasshopper


Master you have taught well."BOWS":smile:

Lindyy's photo
Sun 11/23/08 06:23 AM

Lindyy, if you are basing the truth of what someone says by their popularity ratings you are doing yourself a huge disservice. You should not believe anyone for ANY reason other than the fact that you have heard all sides and come to your own conclusion. Don't let any media source tell you what your opinions should be. flowerforyou



First of all......people you do not have the right or authority to TELL anyone what to do or believe......

State your OPINION and that is it!!!!!

AND, PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH..............

No one on here is infalliable, perfect or completely correct or completely wrong....


no photo
Sun 11/23/08 06:24 AM
Edited by Unknow on Sun 11/23/08 06:28 AM


Lindyy, if you are basing the truth of what someone says by their popularity ratings you are doing yourself a huge disservice. You should not believe anyone for ANY reason other than the fact that you have heard all sides and come to your own conclusion. Don't let any media source tell you what your opinions should be. flowerforyou



First of all.........

State your OPINION and that is it!!!!!

AND, PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH..............

No one on here is infalliable, perfect or completely correct or completely wrong....


I WISH you all practiced what you preach!!!!frustrated ...Qoute:people you do not have the right or authority to TELL anyone what to do or believe...

Lindyy's photo
Sun 11/23/08 06:25 AM


O'Rielly and FOX do not have just high ratings....they are THE TOP RATED show, network... major difference!

On November 4th, all the people got to vote. I don't think they voted the Faux party line...


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madisonman's photo
Sun 11/23/08 06:40 AM
Edited by madisonman on Sun 11/23/08 06:40 AM


Lindyy, if you are basing the truth of what someone says by their popularity ratings you are doing yourself a huge disservice. You should not believe anyone for ANY reason other than the fact that you have heard all sides and come to your own conclusion. Don't let any media source tell you what your opinions should be. flowerforyou



First of all......people you do not have the right or authority to TELL anyone what to do or believe......

State your OPINION and that is it!!!!!

AND, PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH..............

No one on here is infalliable, perfect or completely correct or completely wrong....


It matters to me because self deluded people vote and have a say in how our country is governed it matters to me because I dont wish my future grand kids to grow up in a future theocracy based on some mumbo jumbo snake handleing fantasy.

adj4u's photo
Sun 11/23/08 12:13 PM
the down fall of all republics has been the lazy responsibility laxness of the people to control the govt


thus the govt begins to control the people

and this leads to discontentment among the masses

and the states burn while bidin fiddles

and will fall while hillary dances

just a thought

but hey

what do i know

Drew07_2's photo
Sun 11/23/08 01:37 PM


I wrote a post a while back wherein I argued that people should be called by their proper names. I get sick of people calling former President Clinton--Billary, Slick Willy or any of that. Through the election cycle I called President-elect Obama by his name--even though there was no way I was going to vote for him. Now, I'm far from perfect on this and in the past I know I've said some hateful things--so I'm pointing a finger at myself before anyone else. It just has to change.

It is up to us to raise the bar--those who profit from this garbage won't do it for us--ever.

-Drew


Excellent point. It would be interesting to see what happened if everyone focused on the facts and the mud-slinging and name calling just stopped.


I feel strongly about this because if a person cannot even muster the little amount of respect it takes to call someone by their name then how are we going to actually discuss and debate issues in a rational way?

If I read a post that starts out, "McSame is a moron," or a post that begins with "Billary is looking to be Sec. of State" it tells me immediately that what matters most to the person is immediately engaging in cheap-shots. I love to read and I read liberal posts as well as conservative posts but it strikes me as interesting when people spend a lot of time trying to create clever "names" while forgetting to focus on the issues that affect us all.

I'm not for political purity and I'll throw leather with anyone as it relates to politics. I know things can get heated and I know that there are times when I have to walk away. But come on--everything by its proper name seems like a small step in the right direction.

-Drew